C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft) Part 3

[Artorius Horus T]

Only 3 shy of 50 goals. Pretty good.

 

[Kshahdoo]

McDavid had 99 points in 56 games in his D-1 season, but only 28 goals. And he was 6 months older. Matthews was a 2PPG player in USHL, but he was 10 months older.

 

[Gold Standard]

Welcome to the record book, CB

 

[daver]

Lots of reasons to point to him as being the best CHL prospect since McDavid. As a reminder, Crosby was even slightly younger than Bedard and dominated the Q in scoring as a 16 year old.

Generational goalscoring prospect seems like the best label.

 

[ORRFForever]

48th goal of the season vs Prince Albert...

GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PPG	SHG	SOG	FOW
59	48	42	90	2	36	11	2	307	418

 

[Mr Buckles]

 

[Mr Buckles]

#49

 

[HaveKnifeWillButcher]

Amazing and unique release on that wrist (snap?) shot. Some team is going to be very lucky in about a year.

 

[Bubbles]

McDavid and Crosby had better supporting casts than Bedard. If he had a bit of help, he would have easily led the WHL in scoring. Not to mention it took the Pats 20 games or so to put him on a line with Howe.

 

[wetcoast]

McDavid and Crosby had better supporting casts than Bedard. If he had a bit of help, he would have easily led the WHL in scoring. Not to mention it took the Pats 20 games or so to put him on a line with Howe.

McDavid sure but Crosby didn't have a great team there with him.

but to be sure, Bedard is playing on a really weak Regina team.

 

[daver]

McDavid and Crosby had better supporting casts than Bedard. If he had a bit of help, he would have easily led the WHL in scoring. Not to mention it took the Pats 20 games or so to put him on a line with Howe.

Great players produce regardless. You look at all the all-time great players and they get their points whether or not their teammates or linemates get theirs.

McDavid especially proved that his CHL numbers were not "inflated" due to being on a good team. Crosby has proven he can produce in any kind of situation and with any kind of team.

I am sure Bedard will have plenty of chances to show that he can put up better numbers on a better team but I doubt it.

 

[ijuka]

Great players produce regardless. You look at all the all-time great players and they get their points whether or not their teammates or linemates get theirs.

McDavid especially proved that his CHL numbers were not "inflated" due to being on a good team. Crosby has proven he can produce in any kind of situation and with any kind of team.

I am sure Bedard will have plenty of chances to show that he can put up better numbers on a better team but I doubt it.

Well I'm sure McDavid's point totals were inflated in the super strong Erie Otters team in comparison to how his scoring would have been had he played on a bottom dweller. I don't understand this logic of "because he has done well in NHL, his scoring was not inflated in CHL".

 

[daver]

Well I'm sure McDavid's point totals were inflated in the super strong Erie Otters team in comparison to how his scoring would have been had he played on a bottom dweller. I don't understand this logic of "because he has done well in NHL, his scoring was not inflated in CHL".

There is nothing about McDavid's #'s in the CHL or the NHL that appear to be statistical anomalies that need some explanation like being on a strong or weak team. He was a phenom all the way through and has mirrored Crosby thru 7 sevens despite being in a very different team situation after Year 2. Your opinion that a player will always do better on a better team isn't wrong. This may be the case for your average player or even a #1 line forward but the GOATs always produced regardless of team strength. Wayne, Mario, Jagr, Crosby, OV, etc... all were great when they had a good team/good linemates or a bad team/bad linemates.

 

[waitin425]

Well I'm sure McDavid's point totals were inflated in the super strong Erie Otters team in comparison to how his scoring would have been had he played on a bottom dweller. I don't understand this logic of "because he has done well in NHL, his scoring was not inflated in CHL".

I watched a lot of McDavid in his Erie days. I am not sure if you did, and saw a completely different player, or if you didn't and are just spitballing here. If you didn't I suggest you go watch some of his Erie highlights on YouTube. McDavid was absolutely unreal every year in Erie and his highlights are video game worthy. He really couldn't be stopped. Scored at will. End to End rushes like it was nobodies business. The strong team around him had less to do with his stats and more to do with his influence on them.

I haven't see enough of Bedard beyond his highlights, and what I see, I really really like, but to match McDavid in junior would be a lofty feat.

 

[Fatass]

I watched a lot of McDavid in his Erie days. I am not sure if you did, and saw a completely different player, or if you didn't and are just spitballing here. If you didn't I suggest you go watch some of his Erie highlights on YouTube. McDavid was absolutely unreal every year in Erie and his highlights are video game worthy. He really couldn't be stopped. Scored at will. End to End rushes like it was nobodies business. The strong team around him had less to do with his stats and more to do with his influence on them.

I haven't see enough of Bedard beyond his highlights, and what I see, I really really like, but to match McDavid in junior would be a lofty feat.

As fantastic as these guys are now, I wonder if we will see stats like Mario?

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Laval; (QMJHL)(bcde)

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*133

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92

14

*29

*23

*52

29

 

[waitin425]

As fantastic as these guys are now, I wonder if we will see stats like Mario?
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I don't think we will ever see stats like Mario in junior or Wayne in the NHL. The game has changed too much since then. All the players are bigger, faster and stronger.

 

[Fatass]

I don't think we will ever see stats like Mario in junior or Wayne in the NHL. The game has changed too much since then. All the players are bigger, faster and stronger.

Juniors still is boys. Bedard himself looks very young still. He has a lot of physical development ahead.

 

[montreal]

 

[Bubbles]

Bedard already has scouts excited for 2023 NHL Draft

Nice article about Bedard.

"He's elite hockey sense, elite skill, elite everything," Sullivan said of Bedard. "But when he does get frustrated out there, he's not afraid to give it back, which is a good sign. I compared him to [Hockey Hall of Famer] Marcel Dionne since he played the same way. Guys didn't want to fool around with [Dionne] because he would go right back at them, and yet he didn't have a lot of penalty minutes."

As others have said here, Dionne is a very good comparison.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I think his D-2 is better than McDavid's. I'd only put Crosby and Tavares above him for best D-2 seasons in the 21st century.

 

[scoutman1]

McDavid and Crosby had better supporting casts than Bedard. If he had a bit of help, he would have easily led the WHL in scoring. Not to mention it took the Pats 20 games or so to put him on a line with Howe.

Crosby had Dany Roussin on his line who was not great at all....Crosby himself made Roussin a 2nd round NHL pick and once Sidney was gone he couldnt even cut it in the AHL he went to ECHL

 

[Bubbles]

Crosby had Dany Roussin on his line who was not great at all....Crosby himself made Roussin a 2nd round NHL pick and once Sidney was gone he couldnt even cut it in the AHL he went to ECHL

True. But at least Roussin has shown he could produce at the Q level. MA Pouliot was also a decent scorer at junior level.

My point really is that Bedard doesn't even have that. Aside from Howe there's not even a decent guy that can score at the WHL level.

 

[scoutman1]

True. But at least Roussin has shown he could produce at the Q level. MA Pouliot was also a decent scorer at junior level.

My point really is that Bedard doesn't even have that. Aside from Howe there's not even a decent guy that can score at the WHL level.

you are right...i forgot Pouliot was on his line, they switched him from center to wing...

i am wondering if Howe is only doing as good as he is because of Bedard...be interesting to see Howe without Bedard...

 

[Bubbles]

you are right...i forgot Pouliot was on his line, they switched him from center to wing...

i am wondering if Howe is only doing as good as he is because of Bedard...be interesting to see Howe without Bedard...

To be sure his numbers have gone up since being put on the top line, but from the games I've watched he is a play driver and can create well on his own.

 

[Donuts]

bedard to canucks

niiice