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C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft) Part 2

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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Insane. 18 year old Bedard may not end up better than 18 year old Hughes, and I was not a huge fan of Hughes.
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You don’t seem very high on the kid but he’s the most impressive 16 year old I’ve ever seen and that includes McDavid. Im not saying he will be better then McDavid but he definitely had a much better World Juniors at the same age.
 
Hockey93 said:
You don’t seem very high on the kid but he’s the most impressive 16 year old I’ve ever seen and that includes McDavid. Im not saying he will be better then McDavid but he definitely had a much better World Juniors at the same age.
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The most impressive Canadian player since McDavid. Having said that, I'd take Matvei Michkov 1OA - if not for the fact that he is already under contract.

1 and 2 in 2023 has a Crosby / O.V. vibe to it.
 
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Hockey93 said:
You don’t seem very high on the kid but he’s the most impressive 16 year old I’ve ever seen and that includes McDavid. Im not saying he will be better then McDavid but he definitely had a much better World Juniors at the same age.
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He’s so salty because the US still can’t produce that level of prospect.
 
ORRFForever said:
The most impressive Canadian player since McDavid. Having said that, I'd take Matvei Michkov 1OA - if not for the fact that he is already under contract.

1 and 2 in 2023 has a Crosby / O.V. vibe to it.
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Personally I’ve been underwhelmed watching Michkov. I don’t see the generational talent like I see with Bedard.
 
Insane that he's 16 and going to the olympics. Kid has a really tall ask next season, let's hope he's a legit player
 
Hockey93 said:
You don’t seem very high on the kid but he’s the most impressive 16 year old I’ve ever seen and that includes McDavid. Im not saying he will be better then McDavid but he definitely had a much better World Juniors at the same age.
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Wouldn't put him in the top 4 16 year olds of the current generation. Crosby, Ovechkin, and McDavid were quite literally generational. Tavares was also tracking that way at 16.

From there, there's a very good chance he's not next, so there's a very good chance he's not top 5 of his current generation at that age.

He will probably go 1OA. Jack Hughes also went 1OA. Bedard is not tracking towards generational. It's to be seen where he's tracking towards. Jack Hughes wasn't exactly considered a bad 1OA. Bedard isn't guaranteed to be a better 1OA at this point, so I think there are very real questions if he'll be a better prospect at the same age, let alone two years younger.
 
prongertheman9 said:
He’s so salty because the US still can’t produce that level of prospect.
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This makes absolutely no sense. It's such a bad bait, especially considering I criticized an American player in that same post.

Not everyone is like you with how they view the game from a tribal perspective.

Some merely don't have insane opinions that non-generational 16 year olds are better than 18 year old 1OA's.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Wouldn't put him in the top 4 16 year olds of the current generation. Crosby, Ovechkin, and McDavid were quite literally generational. Tavares was also tracking that way at 16.

From there, there's a very good chance he's not next, so there's a very good chance he's not top 5 of his current generation at that age.

He will probably go 1OA. Jack Hughes also went 1OA. Bedard is not tracking towards generational. It's to be seen where he's tracking towards. Jack Hughes wasn't exactly considered a bad 1OA. Bedard isn't guaranteed to be a better 1OA at this point, so I think there are very real questions if he'll be a better prospect at the same age, let alone two years younger.
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I would definitely consider Bedard’s body of work so far generational. Maybe the other guys were considered better prospects for various reasons but at 16 Bedard is in the very top tier that we have seen.

The debate is also of Hughes at the WC so it’s more like a year (and a couple months) younger. I don’t think it would be crazy whatsoever for someone to like current Bedard’s game more than the draft eligible Hughes - especially when talking about playing against men at either a WC or Olympics.
 
prongertheman9 said:
I would definitely consider Bedard’s body of work so far generational. Maybe the other guys were considered better prospects for various reasons but at 16 Bedard is in the very top tier that we have seen.

The debate is also of Hughes at the WC so it’s more like a year (and a couple months) younger. I don’t think it would be crazy whatsoever for someone to like current Bedard’s game more than the draft eligible Hughes - especially when talking about playing against men at either a WC or Olympics.
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28 points in 25 games in his age 16 year. Do me a favor and compare that to McDavid? That’s the type of level needed for generational. It’s not 1OA. It’s not better than everyone in a draft class or even historic in a few stat categories. It requires being on a path to having a top 10 career of all time.
 
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I would definitely consider Bedard’s body of work so far generational. Maybe the other guys were considered better prospects for various reasons but at 16 Bedard is in the very top tier that we have seen.

The debate is also of Hughes at the WC so it’s more like a year (and a couple months) younger. I don’t think it would be crazy whatsoever for someone to like current Bedard’s game more than the draft eligible Hughes - especially when talking about playing against men at either a WC or Olympics.
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significantly ahead of J Hughes at the same age and heading into their draft year. no question IMHO.

I still don't think Hockey Canada bites on selecting a 16 year old to play with the men. I would be more inclined to take him to the Olympics than the WHC.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
28 points in 25 games in his age 16 year. Do me a favor and compare that to McDavid? That’s the type of level needed for generational. It’s not 1OA. It’s not better than everyone in a draft class or even historic in a few stat categories. It requires being on a path to having a top 10 career of all time.
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Slow start for Bedard no doubt about it but not a completely fair comparison since diff leagues, huge difference in line mates and the season isn’t even half over. Bedard also has a significantly higher PPG than McDavid in the CHL and international level combined at the same point in their careers.

Is this about how good they are or how many points they had? Because if it’s about points then Bedard doesn’t get invited to selection camp, force them to take him and then outright look a lot better than McDavid did as a 16 year old.

If you watch him play in the WHL you can see why a PPG player can step onto team Canada and look like one of their most skilled players. The points will be coming in the second half. He is a generational 16 year old, there is little argument.
 
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Beesfan said:
I'd say Bedard has a long way to go to prove he as good a player as Patrick Kane. One could even argue Kane was just as good at the same age.
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Of course he does. You can’t compare a 16 year old to a Hall of Famer.

Bedard smashed records in the CSSHL playing against 15-18 year olds as a 14 year old; was the first player to ever attain exceptional status in the WHL; was nearly 2 ppg as a 15 year old in the WHL (admittedly watered down league); tied McDavid for the record for most points by a 15 year old in U-18 history; and tied for 3rd all time in WJHC points by a 16 year old in only 2 games.

Bedard’s resume is as impressive as it gets for his age. I make a point to watch as many Pats games as I can and he is dominant offensively every single night. The talent around him is very limited and he’s still on pace for nearly 50 goals as a 16 year old. Anyone downplaying him at this point based on his point totals this year either hasn’t watched him play or has some sort of agenda.
 
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Bubbles said:
I actually think Bedard should be considered for the Olympic team. There's a serious lack of skilled players for Canada to choose from, and he'd be instantly the best forward on the team if he was named. I'd love to see him on a kid line with Johnson and MacTavish.
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Yeah, no. Every single Canadian (men player) who makes the roster would thouroughly annihilate the WHL 10x more than Bedard is currently capable of. We're talking Men vs Boys regardless of innate skill level.

It's for this reason Michkov is being left off Russia's roster. Michkov has shown some flashes of brilliance when given sheltered minutes against mediocre/low level KHL teams, but he's also been exposed by trying things that just doesn't work vs men and has been physically overmatched.
Same thing occured at the EHT, which was several levels below what the Olympics will be.

Unless you're a Gretzky, or a freak-of-nature manchild like Lindros, you don't belong at this level at 16.
 
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Slow start for Bedard no doubt about it but not a completely fair comparison since diff leagues, huge difference in line mates and the season isn’t even half over. Bedard also has a significantly higher PPG than McDavid in the CHL and international level combined at the same point in their careers.

Is this about how good they are or how many points they had? Because if it’s about points then Bedard doesn’t get invited to selection camp, force them to take him and then outright look a lot better than McDavid did as a 16 year old.

If you watch him play in the WHL you can see why a PPG player can step onto team Canada and look like one of their most skilled players. The points will be coming in the second half. He is a generational 16 year old, there is little argument.
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The generational players never have to have these excuses made for them.
 
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