C Connor Bedard (2023, 1st, CHI) Part 6

[WarriorofTime]

Bedard still looks like a kid but mainly in his face. I think he’s got a pretty good and filled out frame. Doesn’t look too weak at all and he’s definitely not a twerp. If you want a guy who looked like he’d be lunch meat as a Junior first overall candidate, look at Kane. The JVR backers were big into that claim (we can leave the Turris truthers be). Turned out OK for Kane.

 

[Jets4Life]

LOL, you’re saying he’s 5’7” and 155-160 lbs? The combine is soon, you’re going to be proven dramatically wrong, assuming he gets measured. I’m guessing 5’9.5”-5’10”, 180-185 lbs.

FWIW, here he is ~3 months ago between 6’ Owen Beck and 5’7” Logan Stankoven, he looks right about halfway between them, maybe a touch closer to Beck (midpoint would be 5’9.5”, a touch over 5’10”):

Judging by the eye test, he definitely appears closer to Owen Beck, in terms of height. Bedard is also closer to Beck in the picture, Most outlets had Bedard's frame as 5'10/185 at the beginning of the 2022-23 season. If anything, he may have gained 1/2 an inch, and 5 pounds (5'10. 1/2, 190 pounds).

 

[cupface52]

Not sure why people are getting so bent out of shape over his size.

Gretzky was 6' 165lbs during his playing days, at 5'10 thats the equivelent of roughly 151-155. 5'9 170-180 is much bigger. Size(not height) only helps along the boards anyways, which isn't exactly Bedard's specialty.

 

[scoutman1]

Size does not have the concer is once had anymore in a game that hardly has physical or aggressive play now

 

[wetcoast]

I'm gonna be investing in collecting his cards.

you and 10000 others.

 

[wetcoast]

Agreed. Lindros was an absolute beast at 18, he was basically full grown and stronger than 90% of the guys in the league. The fact that he made Team Canada over guys like Sakic, Linden and Turgeon who were all 3-4 years older than him (Sakic finished 6th in scoring that year) speaks volumes of the unique skillset he brought to the team as an 18 yr old (though Mike Keenan selected the team, he looks for specific players that fit his prototype).

The equivalent for Bedard would be playing for team Canada in a best on best tournament this summer and making the team over Marner, RNH and Point. IF there were such a tournament, it would be hard to imagine him doing that at 18.

That didn't make Lindros the better prospect, that made him the man child junior player and physical specimen, I like Bedard better as a prospect and projection.

Gretzky is 6 feet tall. Crosby is 5'10.5 and a piece of muscle. I'm about 5'11". I have stood next to Bedard (a couple of months ago). Bedard is four inches shorter than me and at BEST 160 lbs, no matter what they list him as. He is more in the Theoren Fleury range, not Crosby range, and has not grown this year.

Well obviously hockey db, elite prospects has it wrong and we should all defer to a random poster on HF Boards right?

 

[Roof Daddy]

That didn't make Lindros the better prospect, that made him the man child junior player and physical specimen, I like Bedard better as a prospect and projection.

I think Lindros doesn’t get the proper respect he deserves as a hockey player because he was kind of an Ahole and had his career derailed prematurely by injuries. But for his first 8 seasons in Philly, he was an absolute force. 659 points in 486 games (1.36 per). I think if Bedard averages 111 points per 82 games for his first 8 seasons, the team that gets him will be quite happy.

I guess the question I’d ask is how much more production would you need from Bedard to compensate for the things he doesn’t bring that Lindros did? Because if they’re both putting up the same numbers, only a fool would take the 5’10-6’0 185lb-200lb (trying to project his full grown frame) guy over the 6’4 240lb guy who might be the best power forward of all time.

 

[ffsffs1]

Lindros played in a much higher scoring environment (4.47 vs 3.48 goals per game). Lindros led the OHL in scoring by 21, Bedard led the WHL in scoring by 36. A dozen OHL players put up 100+ points in Lindros' draft year, as opposed to just two in Bedard's. Lindros obviously had the better physical tools, but Bedard is definitely the better junior producer.

 

[Mr Buckles]

Bedard with the OV on the PP for his 9th goal

 

[ozzie]

Did Regina mess this up or did Bedard? I can't imagine how terrible Regina will be after losing Bedard next season. Regina didn't appear to build much around him or Bedard didn't want to leave and have a shot at winning, his choice, I guess. First world problems I know, but somewhat disappointing for fans.

Lindros manufactured his move to Oshawa and he won a Memorial Cup. Had a good playoff.

McDavid had a very successful final playoff run with a decent team and they made it to the OHL championship series.

Crosby absolutely carried his team on his back and his line all finished top 3 in scoring at the Memorial Cup, Crosby and his team lost to a powerhouse London in the finals.

Just makes the playoff run and points feel a bit shallow in terms of meaningful points. There is no expectation here for Regina to make it to the next round. Obviously, the round isn't over yet.

 

[Love]

Bedard with the OV on the PP for his 9th goal

People in this very thread have complained about his lack of a one timer. Predictably, he added it to his arsenal simply because he decided to.

 

[Bounces R Way]

somebody stop this madman
10th goal of the series, don't even know how he snuck it in there

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Unrelated to Connor, I think I saw Sam Oremba miss one of the surest goals in some time.

Edit: Svozil has had a brutal series in terms of decision making and defensive play.

 

[Bubbles]

Pats literally have no secondary scoring. They don't even create that many chances. It's Bedard's line or nothing.

 

[Lavar Ball]

 

[Just Linda]

Did Regina mess this up or did Bedard? I can't imagine how terrible Regina will be after losing Bedard next season. Regina didn't appear to build much around him or Bedard didn't want to leave and have a shot at winning, his choice, I guess. First world problems I know, but somewhat disappointing for fans.

Lindros manufactured his move to Oshawa and he won a Memorial Cup. Had a good playoff.

McDavid had a very successful final playoff run with a decent team and they made it to the OHL championship series.

Crosby absolutely carried his team on his back and his line all finished top 3 in scoring at the Memorial Cup, Crosby and his team lost to a powerhouse London in the finals.

Just makes the playoff run and points feel a bit shallow in terms of meaningful points. There is no expectation here for Regina to make it to the next round. Obviously, the round isn't over yet.

Regina is really early in a rebuild. They have some great pieces to build around (Howe), they'll be fine.

They werent one or two players away from being contenders, it was better for them to be patient and build a team. If anything, they should've sold Svozil.

They'll be a really good team in 2 years though.

 

[FriarChill]

Very impressive. Regina scored 20 goals in 5 games and Bedard has scored 10 himself and assisted on another 5. Shame that they couldnt hold on to win one of those home games. I would have loved to see him play another round. Probably won't happen now. He just keeps exceeding expectations.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

His stats are quite stupendous in his draft season

If you count in every game including WJC and Pre-Season his stats line looks like so

Games : 71
Goals : 94
Assists : 90
Points : 184
Points Per Game : 2.60
+/- : +63
Shots On Goal : 448 (21%)
Shots On Goal Per Game : 6.3


edit : he is still eligible for the wjc-18

 

[Gold Standard]

My prediction. Bedard forces a game 7... and then who knows. another rd. perhaps?

But note to Hockey Canada - book tickets to Latvia and Finland for the Bedard Clan early May. Thank you very much! much appreciated.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

My prediction. Bedard forces a game 7... and then who knows. another rd. perhaps?

But note to Hockey Canada - book tickets to Latvia and Finland for the Bedard Clan early May. Thank you very much! much appreciated.

Do you think Canada picks under sized 17 year old to the worlds? - even if it was Bedard

Has Canada ever picked a player under 18 to mens worlds? McDavid wasn't, nor Crosby.

I give 10% chance that to happen

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Do you think Canada picks under sized 17 year old to the worlds? - even if it was Bedard

Has Canada ever picked a player under 18 to mens worlds? McDavid wasn't, nor Crosby.

I give 10% chance that to happen

Crosby and McDavid were unavaliable because their teams were actually good in their draft seasons and they were still in the CHL playoffs at the time of the WC.

I think that it’s a guarantee that if Regina is eliminated that Bedard will be given an invite.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Very impressive. Regina scored 20 goals in 5 games and Bedard has scored 10 himself and assisted on another 5. Shame that they couldnt hold on to win one of those home games. I would have loved to see him play another round. Probably won't happen now. He just keeps exceeding expectations.

If I am not mistaken...

Out of the 20 goals, 19 went in on a goalie.

Out of the 19 goals, I believe Bedard's been on the ice for 17 of them, and the remaining two he wasn't on for were also in the 6-1 game.

 

[EdJovanovski]

His stats are quite stupendous in his draft season

If you count in every game including WJC and Pre-Season his stats line looks like so

Games : 71
Goals : 94
Assists : 90
Points : 184
Points Per Game : 2.60
+/- : +63
Shots On Goal : 448 (21%)
Shots On Goal Per Game : 6.3


edit : he is still eligible for the wjc-18

So 2.60 points per game in entire draft year compared to McDavids 2.43

 

[Mathieukferland]

If he plays his last game as a Regina Pat tonight, it’s certainly been a joy watching him over the last 3 years

 

[wetcoast]

Unrelated to Connor, I think I saw Sam Oremba miss one of the surest goals in some time.

Edit: Svozil has had a brutal series in terms of decision making and defensive play.

And they traded Seattle their first round pick in the 24 WHL draft (as well as this years 2nd and the 25 3rd rounder for Sam who simply doesn't look worth it at this point.