C Connor Bedard (2023, 1st, CHI) Part 6

[ponder]

Gretzky is 6 feet tall. Crosby is 5'10.5 and a piece of muscle. I'm about 5'11". I have stood next to Bedard (a couple of months ago). Bedard is four inches shorter than me and at BEST 160 lbs, no matter what they list him as. He is more in the Theoren Fleury range, not Crosby range, and has not grown this year.

LOL, you’re saying he’s 5’7” and 155-160 lbs? The combine is soon, you’re going to be proven dramatically wrong, assuming he gets measured. I’m guessing 5’9.5”-5’10”, 180-185 lbs.

FWIW, here he is ~3 months ago between 6’ Owen Beck and 5’7” Logan Stankoven, he looks right about halfway between them, maybe a touch closer to Beck (midpoint would be 5’9.5”, a touch over 5’10”):

 

[Gold Standard]

When does Regina need to get eliminated for Bedard to play in the IIHF World Championships? I'd rather see him play with and against men than carrying a crappy Junior team on his back.

Lots of time. Since Hockey Canada doesn't really hold a camp in Canada to prep for the tourney and only runs a couple of practices and and schedules only 1 pre-tournament game in Europe, I'd say Bedard has another 4 weeks before he would have to catch a flight to Europe.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

LOL, you’re saying he’s 5’7” and 155-160 lbs? The combine is soon, you’re going to be proven dramatically wrong, assuming he gets measured. I’m guessing 5’9.5”, 185 lbs.

I would guess he is 5'7.5 and 160. I'm a bit over 5'11. I have met Theoren Fleury a number of times. He is taller than Fleury, but not by a lot, and Fleury was 5'6" if I remember correctly. Bedard is very close in size to someone like Alex DeBrincat or Johnny Gaudreau.

If people think I am saying he isn't a generational player, that is not my argument, so stop getting angry about my statements about his size. He is a franchise player, as I have stated numerous times on this board already. He's just not very big, and unless he has a major growth spurt, which is possible but unlikely, he is going to have to deal with that as an issue in his career, much like a Yamamoto or Johnny Gaudreau need to. The league is a bit easier for small players now than it was 20 years ago, so he will still be able to excel.

Some are saying he will end up at 5'11" or "Gretzky-sized". Doubtful. In all my years in hockey, I have seen very few players get significantly taller or bigger (in terms of frame) after the age of 17. One in particular I remember from the early 90s grew from 5'10", 180 lbs to 6'5" 235 after his 18th birthday between the ages of 18-21. That is one in a million, though.

 

[goonsaredumb]

In all my years in hockey, I have seen very few players get significantly taller or bigger (in terms of frame) after the age of 17

Taller sure most people are pretty much done growing by 17 but anyone with a fully abled body is capable of getting bigger physically at any age, I should know I was 119lbs when I was 19, I looked like a skeleton, you would've said I had a small frame or was an "ectomorph", but somatotypes are a bunch of baloney and with a lot of weightlifting and a lot of eating I'm now just under 200lbs and my frame is completely different.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

LOL, you’re saying he’s 5’7” and 155-160 lbs? The combine is soon, you’re going to be proven dramatically wrong, assuming he gets measured. I’m guessing 5’9.5”-5’10”, 180-185 lbs.

FWIW, here he is ~3 months ago between 6’ Owen Beck and 5’7” Logan Stankoven, he looks right about halfway between them, maybe a touch closer to Beck (midpoint would be 5’9.5”, a touch over 5’10”):

It is a fair analysis that you offer, but I will always go by what I can see firsthand as opposed to what is "listed". For some reason, like the WWE but not quite as bad, sports leagues tend to list players as larger than they actually are. I do not know why this is, it just is the way it has always been done.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Taller sure most people are pretty much done growing by 17 but anyone with a fully abled body is capable of getting bigger physically at any age, I should know I was 119lbs when I was 19, I looked like a skeleton, you would've said I had a small frame or was an "ectomorph", but somatotypes are a bunch of baloney and with a lot of weightlifting and a lot of eating I'm now just under 200lbs and my frame is completely different.

I have talked to Rod Brind'Amour's roommate at Notre Dame (Saskatchewan) on a few occasions (our wives were friends in uni), and when Rod started playing junior there, he was not big. But he had a large frame and became almost obssessive about lifting. He did the work (still does the work), and has been Rod the Bod for over 30 years. An absolute beast.

Some kids are built like Lindros, but others are built like McDavid. Just look at McDavid without his equipment on sometime. Look at his arms. He's fit but not naturally huge. The guy works out, he spends a lot of time in the gym, but he will never be Lindros. His slight frame has obviously never hurt him, neither did it hurt the Great One. But it is what it is. Bedard is more Gretzky in farme, not Lindros. the beauty of hockey is that smaller-framed players can still excel, and obviously have.

This should anger no one, yet seems to be a very prickly subject with people. I do not know why.

 

[goonsaredumb]

I have talked to Rod Brind'Amour's roommate at Notre Dame (Saskatchewan) on a few occasions (our wives were friends in uni), and when Rod started playing junior there, he was not big. But he had a large frame and became almost obssessive about lifting. He did the work (still does the work), and has been Rod the Bod for over 30 years. An absolute beast.

Some kids are built like Lindros, but others are built like McDavid. Just look at McDavid without his equipment on sometime. Look at his arms. He's fit but not naturally huge. The guy works out, he spends a lot of time in the gym, but he will never be Lindros. His slight frame has obviously never hurt him, neither did it hurt the Great One. But it is what it is. Bedard is more Gretzky in farme, not Lindros. the beauty of hockey is that smaller-framed players can still excel, and obviously have.

This should anger no one, yet seems to be a very prickly subject with people. I do not know why.

If McDavid was serious about getting as big as Rod or Lindros he could get as big as Rod or Lindros, McDavid definitely spends a lot of time working on his fitness but I doubt he's out there lifting heavy ass weights and eating tons of food.

There's nothing wrong with having a slight frame and wanting to keep a slight frame and for a guy like McDavid whose speed is a key element of his game keeping a smaller frame is preferable but I just think it's silly when people say that guys who are naturally skinny/smaller are just destined to always be small anyone can get jacked with enough time and enough effort but again not everyone wants to get big and that's fine, but my point is everybody with a fully abled body is capable if they want to.

 

[prongertheman9]

If Bedard gets measured at the combine and comes in below 170, I'll delete my account.

Agreed - that boy thick:

 

[Mathieukferland]

Agreed - that boy thick:View attachment 682744

There’s some video of him I saw lifting weights, his upper body is absolutely huge as well

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

If ducks get him.. He will be reunited with his best friend mctavish.

 

[Love]

LOL, you’re saying he’s 5’7” and 155-160 lbs? The combine is soon, you’re going to be proven dramatically wrong, assuming he gets measured. I’m guessing 5’9.5”-5’10”, 180-185 lbs.

FWIW, here he is ~3 months ago between 6’ Owen Beck and 5’7” Logan Stankoven, he looks right about halfway between them, maybe a touch closer to Beck (midpoint would be 5’9.5”, a touch over 5’10”):

So Stankover is 5’4’’ 120lbs. Nice.

 

[ponder]

I would guess he is 5'7.5 and 160. I'm a bit over 5'11. I have met Theoren Fleury a number of times. He is taller than Fleury, but not by a lot, and Fleury was 5'6" if I remember correctly. Bedard is very close in size to someone like Alex DeBrincat or Johnny Gaudreau.

If people think I am saying he isn't a generational player, that is not my argument, so stop getting angry about my statements about his size. He is a franchise player, as I have stated numerous times on this board already. He's just not very big, and unless he has a major growth spurt, which is possible but unlikely, he is going to have to deal with that as an issue in his career, much like a Yamamoto or Johnny Gaudreau need to. The league is a bit easier for small players now than it was 20 years ago, so he will still be able to excel.

Some are saying he will end up at 5'11" or "Gretzky-sized". Doubtful. In all my years in hockey, I have seen very few players get significantly taller or bigger (in terms of frame) after the age of 17. One in particular I remember from the early 90s grew from 5'10", 180 lbs to 6'5" 235 after his 18th birthday between the ages of 18-21. That is one in a million, though.

You’re side tracking a bit here - I’m not talking about future growth, or how good he’ll become, just that your claim that he’s currently ~5’7” and at most 160 lbs is very wrong.

Just watch a Pats game, wait for closeups where he’s standing near his teammates. He’s clearly very similar in height to 5’10” Tanner Howe, clearly multiple inches taller than 5’7” Tye Spencer, and while he’s he’s also clearly multiple inches shorter than 6’1” Svozil, no way is he 6” shorter.

Here’s Bedard with Howe, who’s listed at 5’10” as well, do you think Bedard looks ~2.5” shorter? They’re pretty clearly almost exactly the same height:

Either every single player Bedard ever stands beside is exaggerating their height by 2.5”-3”, or he is indeed ~5’9.5”-5’10”.

 

[ffsffs1]

One of the reasons the combine exists is because teams don't want to rely on their scouts telling them "well I think this guy is 5'7 160". Don't care how much scouting experience you have, I'm putting zero weight on these types of claims.

 

[authentic]

Lindros was a better prospect, although very different.

Maybe you're right, skillwise not quite on that level though.

 

[authentic]

LOL, you’re saying he’s 5’7” and 155-160 lbs? The combine is soon, you’re going to be proven dramatically wrong, assuming he gets measured. I’m guessing 5’9.5”-5’10”, 180-185 lbs.

FWIW, here he is ~3 months ago between 6’ Owen Beck and 5’7” Logan Stankoven, he looks right about halfway between them, maybe a touch closer to Beck (midpoint would be 5’9.5”, a touch over 5’10”):

I hear these claims all the time about hockey players and I seriously question how many are true. Just like posters stood next to Marner and he's actually 5"10 165 pounds or something, no I'm pretty sure he looks like a 6 foot 175 pound person. These players are also way stronger than people imagine.

 

[ottawa]

Is this kid still a lock to be better than McDavid?

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Is this kid still a lock to be better than McDavid?

I would not say better.. He does not have the speed.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Is this kid still a lock to be better than McDavid?
Who is saying that?


All people are saying is that he’s having a better draft year, which he is.

 

[Roof Daddy]

You’re side tracking a bit here - I’m not talking about future growth, or how good he’ll become, just that your claim that he’s currently ~5’7” and at most 160 lbs is very wrong.

Just watch a Pats game, wait for closeups where he’s standing near his teammates. He’s clearly very similar in height to 5’10” Tanner Howe, clearly multiple inches taller than 5’7” Tye Spencer, and while he’s he’s also clearly multiple inches shorter than 6’1” Svozil, no way is he 6” shorter.

Here’s Bedard with Howe, who’s listed at 5’10” as well, do you think Bedard looks ~2.5” shorter? They’re pretty clearly almost exactly the same height:

Either every single player Bedard ever stands beside is exaggerating their height by 2.5”-3”, or he is indeed ~5’9.5”-5’10”.

Size can be disputed. One thing that can’t - generational tortilla smack.

 

[MeHateHe]

Is this kid still a lock to be better than McDavid?

Unquestionably. That McDavitt character was barely a point-a-game player in Division III

Conor McDavitt
Forward
Born -- Duxbury, MA
Height 5.10 -- Weight 180

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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1999-00 Skidmore College ECAC- 23 12 10 22 22
2000-01 Skidmore College ECAC- 24 9 16 25 26
2001-02 Skidmore College ECAC- 25 5 10 15 32
2002-03 Skidmore College ECAC- 25 11 10 21 26
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[ottawa]

Is this kid still a lock to be better than Crosby?

 

[MeHateHe]

Is this kid still a lock to be better than Crosby?

No, but (Riley) Nash, and (Wendel) Young better look over their shoulders. Surprisingly, there hasn't been an NHL player named Stills.

 

[nergish]

Is this kid still a lock to be better than McDavid?

Not until we get all of his measurements confirmed.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

So Stankover is 5’4’’ 120lbs. Nice.

Super off topic, but yes. Stankoven is closer to 5’4” than 5’7“ haha

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Is this kid still a lock to be better than Crosby?

Obviously, because he is a 250 pound giant, apparently. Freakishly huge. Look at him standing beside little people. He's much taller and therefore enormous.

The amount of people wrapped up in defending this kid's size is weird to me. I saw what I saw. I've been to ten Pats game this year and he is always the smallest player on the ice or one of the smallest. That's all I was saying and still saying. I'm not responding to this thread anymore. It's creepy now.