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C Bo Horvat (2013, 9th overall, Vancouver)

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Based on how Bo has played since the All-Star break I would only take Ekblad and Forsberg ahead of him on the Canucks right bow. He was really feeling his way and getting the coaches trust until the break and since then has really turned it on. If you took his post All-Star break pace and extrapolated it for the whole season the Calder race would be a totally different story. It is not just the points but the way he has elevated his game over the last 20 games or so that is so freakin' impressive. He is skating at a level that most pre-draft pundits would not have thought he was capable of and really coming into his own with his strength and dominant play. He is showing well above average hockey IQ and a deft stick as well. He has a very unique skill set an I am very happy he is on our team for the foreseeable future.
 
Bank Shot said:
You'd probably have to go back to the 1930's or something.

20 points would never get a forward into Calder finalist territory. There are just always at least 5 better rookie seasons than that every year..
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He definitely found his offense way too late in the season. He is currently 16th in rookie scoring. If he played like he has the last 6 weeks for the entire season he would get consideration.
 
Since the All-star break he's on a 0.57pts/game pace.

8g 4a 12pts. If the season started after the all-star break he'd be on pace for.

31g 16a 47pts all even strength.

I know that isn't sustainable but damn......

Also Horvat has the exact same goals even strength as Gaudreau right now.
 
People are looking way too much into points. He is the best two way player out of everybody in that calder list.

Two way guys don't get notification, so he won't be in the discussion. But his name is getting out there on how good he is already at 19 years old with his defensive game.

Simply put, he is on the ice with 1 min left vs Getzlaf/crosby/bergeron/Malkin/Toews, and goes head to head vs all of them on a daily basis.

What does that tell you about the kid?, that he is excelling playing against those type of talents THIS early in his career?.
 
There's a lot to contribute to Horvat's hype. One, he's on a Canadian team. Two, the Canucks hasn't had a prospect with this much success in nearly a decade. Three, Ryan Kesler's development. I'd say, they are fairly optimistic right now but, Horvat could easily turn into Sean Couturier in the next few years, which is exactly what Horvat was initially projected to be. Unfortunately, every rookie or young player gets a hype train thing going, and about 80% of the time, they never live up to expectations as the diehards think he is a 70 point two way defensive shutdown machine.

Remember boys, there's a reason why there is a thing called a sophomore slump. Your first year, no one knows who are you so you get a chance to showcase your skill. Your second year, you'll have higher expectations and coaches/players will remember you from your first year.

Next year will be a real test for Horvat. He either produces/develop like Monahan and the hype train continues, or he'll be like Couturier and have a same production season. It doesn't take too long to completely change the value of a player.

Don't look too far if you want an example. Corey Conacher is on the Vancouver farm team.
 
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TheJuxtaposer said:
Burns has been an utter disaster in his own end this whole year, holding him off is no accomplishment. And it was a weak goal by Niemi. Chill.

Is this thread gonna be bumped every time Bo does something good?
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Aren't you the same guy that downplays everything positive a Canucks prospect does?

I've been browsing this board for quite a bit, and I can't recall you talking positively about a single prospect from Vancouver.
 
Lucbourdon said:
People are looking way too much into points. He is the best two way player out of everybody in that calder list.

Two way guys don't get notification, so he won't be in the discussion. But his name is getting out there on how good he is already at 19 years old with his defensive game.

Simply put, he is on the ice with 1 min left vs Getzlaf/crosby/bergeron/Malkin/Toews, and goes head to head vs all of them on a daily basis.

What does that tell you about the kid?, that he is excelling playing against those type of talents THIS early in his career?.
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I wouldn't go that far. I like Bo and want him to succeed. I was a little down on Bo before but am definitely coming around on him as he can clearly stick it in the NHL.

However I think some people (not you specifically, but in general) are going way overboard right now. You'd think this was actually Trevor Linden reincarnate at 19 y.o. He's doing alright. But not dominating as some proclaim.

As for going head-to-head against top competiton, that's not really true. Willie doesn't seem to be worried if Horvat is caught out against the Getzlafs, but he's not hard matching him up against him. Since the All-star break, Horvat has faced the 3rd lowest level of competition among Canucks forwards. The only ones to face weaker competition are Kenins and Dorsett (Dorsett is another story...submarineing any line he's on). The Twins take on power lines and that should be undisputed. Since the All-Star break, Bo's usage has included a slight zone-start push from Willie.

Bo's production since the All-Star break has also been highly inflated. His personal SH% is 20%, which is sustainable for no one in the NHL. His on-ice SH% is also a bit high at over 12%, which will likely drop a bit.

I like Bo. I'm rooting for Bo. But he's not a two-way beast right now. And his scoring, while nice, is not sustainable right now. But I think he will improve in time and become a core part of the Canucks franchise. But he's not there yet. Gotta pump the brakes a bit.

info from war-on-ice. Chart is from all-star break till now
 
Lucbourdon said:
People are looking way too much into points. He is the best two way player out of everybody in that calder list.

Two way guys don't get notification, so he won't be in the discussion. But his name is getting out there on how good he is already at 19 years old with his defensive game.

Simply put, he is on the ice with 1 min left vs Getzlaf/crosby/bergeron/Malkin/Toews, and goes head to head vs all of them on a daily basis.

What does that tell you about the kid?, that he is excelling playing against those type of talents THIS early in his career?.
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Agreed on this point. Horvat is making a noticeable difference that is directly contributing to us winning more hockey games. At the end of the day that is all that matter.
 
Lucbourdon said:
People are looking way too much into points. He is the best two way player out of everybody in that calder list.

Two way guys don't get notification, so he won't be in the discussion. But his name is getting out there on how good he is already at 19 years old with his defensive game.

Simply put, he is on the ice with 1 min left vs Getzlaf/crosby/bergeron/Malkin/Toews, and goes head to head vs all of them on a daily basis.

What does that tell you about the kid?, that he is excelling playing against those type of talents THIS early in his career?.
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I agree Horvat is the best two way rookie forward this year but you are exaggerating Horvat's role.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+13+14+15+16+63+67+57+58+59+60+61+62+64+65+66

Horvat ranks 9th in terms quality of competition on the Canucks (at least 20 games played). Horvat also gets slightly above 50% for offensive zone starts. Horvat has certainly surprised me and has been fantastic.

Our entire top six all plays tougher competition than Horvat and I'd argue that Bonino is our shut down center given his usage. While Horvat has not been sheltered, he certainly has not been thrown to the fire against the top guns in the west at a regular basis.
 
I'm becoming a fan but am cautiously optimistic. What's his shooting %?

-Das It Mane.
 
All aboard the hype train. Next year he's going to score 50 goals and win the Selke + Lady Byng + Hart


Seriously though, I'm sure part of the reason we appreciate Bo so much is his ability to score "clutch" goals. He definitely should not be in Calder talks, but let's just appreciate the attributes he brings.
 
Lucbourdon said:
People are looking way too much into points. He is the best two way player out of everybody in that calder list.

Two way guys don't get notification, so he won't be in the discussion. But his name is getting out there on how good he is already at 19 years old with his defensive game.

Simply put, he is on the ice with 1 min left vs Getzlaf/crosby/bergeron/Malkin/Toews, and goes head to head vs all of them on a daily basis.

What does that tell you about the kid?, that he is excelling playing against those type of talents THIS early in his career?.
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I think Mark Stone is the better two way player right now. One of the Sens top PK guys, one of the best at the league at taking the puck away, and he's putting up much better offensive numbers. That last line about Horvat can be said about Stone too, always on the ice late in games against the other teams top players.
 
SAK11 said:
I think Mark Stone is the better two way player right now. One of the Sens top PK guys, one of the best at the league at taking the puck away, and he's putting up much better offensive numbers. That last line about Horvat can be said about Stone too, always on the ice late in games against the other teams top players.
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Stone's a great young player, no doubt about that. He's also a full 3 years older than Horvat however.
 
Juxtaposer before the draft:

TheJuxtaposer said:
Damn, I'm a little bummed he's getting so much attention. Doubt he slips to 20 at this point.
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TheJuxtaposer said:
They should be. I love Horvat. He's not big, but he's strong.
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Juxtaposer after Van drafts Horvat:

TheJuxtaposer said:
Burns has been an utter disaster in his own end this whole year, holding him off is no accomplishment. And it was a weak goal by Niemi. Chill.

Is this thread gonna be bumped every time Bo does something good?
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Obvious salt is obvious :handclap::nod:

Dare I say I ... Juxtaposed his stance on Bo Horvat pre and post draft?
 
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