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If Horvat got #1 Pp unit time, and play 15+ min a game all season, I have no doubt in my mind he would drop 50 points this year
C Bo Horvat (2013, 9th overall, Vancouver)
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Sergei Shirokov
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I will be happy if he gets 25+ pts this season. Next season I expect 30-35pts. I see him as a elite 2C when he hits prime.
topched88
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I for one do not think Horvat has been as impressive as JG, and thats not a knock on Horvat...
The over-rating of Horvat is reaching ridiculous levels. Guess that's what happens when you go this long without drafting blue-chip prospects. 
Brock Boeser
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The over-rating of Horvat is reaching ridiculous levels. Guess that's what happens when you go this long without drafting blue-chip prospects.
Hard to do when your highest pick since 1999 is 6th which came last season.
The over-rating of Horvat is reaching ridiculous levels. Guess that's what happens when you go this long without drafting blue-chip prospects.
What, by one poster in this entire thread? Ya, it's just a raging problem on HFBoards
WTG
December 5th
I wouldn't
Since the All-star break he has absolutely teared it up. (8g 4a 12pts in 21 games 0.57pts/game)
If he keeps that pace for the last 16 games of the season he'll end up with 17 goals 12 assists good for 29 points in 68 games
Which over a 82 game stretch would mean 21g 14a 35pts ES.
Compare that to Gaudreau who over the season is on pace for 14g 29a 43pts ES. Gaudreau is also 21 compared to Bo who is 19 and playing a more important position.
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Johnny Hockey is a very bad player to be brought up in a situation like this simply because of his size and that he is a winger. If you are starting up a team, you take the average sized two-way center, then you decide whether or not the winger can be a complimentary player. Too many teams have an issue with being soft and Vancouver is one of them. It's too risky to take on a 5'9 player, no matter how good he can be. Even, Marty St.Louis would be a risky player to pick up without the proper players in place. It makes sense for Calgary because of Monahan, and he is who, Canucks hope Horvat will be. Not to say that Gaudreau isn't a good player, he's a fantastic player, but one thing at a time. Canucks have now starting to stack up on wingers like Virtanen, Shinkaruk, Beartschi, Jensen, and so on, praying that they can be their Gaudreau. In the past decade, the Canucks only focused on a big physical winger for the Twins to compliment them, and that's what usually happens with Centers. You build around them.
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They're 2 completely different players who should never be compared, but don't let that stop you guys.
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A poor man's Bergeron. Good for 55-60 pts in his prime but stellar defensively. Elite 2C
Woodtkachuk
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I know you are comparing them because someone asked if Canuck fans would trade Bo for Gaudreau straight up but you probably could have used a more effective argument.
Point stats will not side with the Bo Horvat argument. Horvat is on pace for 31 points while Gaudreau is on pace for 61 points. That's nearly double. You could argue Horvat started slow but so did Gaudreau.
If you continued with the age argument, potential, defensive tools, positional need, size, two way game, that kind of stuff.... yeah sure, I could see where you are coming from. But knit picking even strength points from a specific point after the all star break when Horvat got hot compared to Gaudreau's season average even strength point pace average is a weak argument.
In conclusion, they are probably the worst comparable players and shouldn't be compared again.
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Better comparison is Horvat and Monahan. Monahan is better offensively but Horvat will make up for it with defense. Will be interesting to see how they compare in 10 years.
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December 5th
Don't crucify me over comparing the two. I was responding to someone who asked if you'd trade Horvat for Gaudreau straight up. I said no and tried to explain why. They aren't the same type of players.
I think Bo's is better/will be better, simple as that.
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Wilch
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I'm curious if Bo could replicate Monahan's production if given the same opportunity.
Just a side note, while I didn't mention it during the draft, I had my fingers crossed hoping the Canucks would deal Edler for the 5th from CAR (rumour at the time) and take Monahan there.
I had my eyes on Horvat, Monahan and Shinkaruk in that draft, but was not expecting to draft 2 out of 3 guys from my wishlist.
The Canucks would have been set for C if Gillis had the galls to pull the trigger on a trade like that in 2013.
Just a side note, while I didn't mention it during the draft, I had my fingers crossed hoping the Canucks would deal Edler for the 5th from CAR (rumour at the time) and take Monahan there.
I had my eyes on Horvat, Monahan and Shinkaruk in that draft, but was not expecting to draft 2 out of 3 guys from my wishlist.
The Canucks would have been set for C if Gillis had the galls to pull the trigger on a trade like that in 2013.
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December 5th
No point in comparing this season to Monahan's
Already did that. Monahan produces better than Horvat and faces more difficult competition. But, it's not as big as some people make it seem.
Be interesting to do it next year though. See how much Bo's caught up to Monahan or how much Monahan has pulled ahead of Bo.
This is stupid. Monahan is better than Horvat at every part of the game right now. Horvat isn't even close right now. It doesn't matter who has a better career, it's about who wins the championship, and that's if they have longevity.
Stupid assumption. That's like, saying that the Canucks had a chance to draft Sidney Crosby but didn't try hard enough. Rumors are rumors. You know who starts rumors? Botchford. You know who has more credibility than Botchford? Me or You, or anyone else. That trade was never going to happen.
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