Matthews does have quite a bit of flash, though. In the second period yesterday he was just dangling guys like they were beer league players. Ferraro was gushing about it.
You guys are so damn lucky.
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Matthews does have quite a bit of flash, though. In the second period yesterday he was just dangling guys like they were beer league players. Ferraro was gushing about it.
You guys are so damn lucky.
Everyone is saying Toronto won't be trading that first pick no matter what. But what I have learned over the years is that almost everything is up for sale if the price is right.
What if Columbus wants to trade up and gives Toronto their 3rd overall pick and next years 1st. So Toronto would get Puljujärvi and top prospect next year? Probably not enough as Toronto needs a C. But if Toronto would somehow be sure they'd also be getting Stamkos, would this scenario be possible?
Other team I could imagine drooling over Matthews is Coyotes as their dream-come-true would be getting a franchise 1C that is a hometown boy from Arizona. But what could Coyotes offer to even begin talks? Dylan Strome + their 7th overall pick? What else?
What if Columbus wants to trade up and gives Toronto their 3rd overall pick and next years 1st. So Toronto would get Puljujärvi and top prospect next year? Probably not enough as Toronto needs a C. But if Toronto would somehow be sure they'd also be getting Stamkos, would this scenario be possible?
Other team I could imagine drooling over Matthews is Coyotes as their dream-come-true would be getting a franchise 1C that is a hometown boy from Arizona. But what could Coyotes offer to even begin talks? Dylan Strome + their 7th overall pick? What else?
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I think the issue is, there's no way of knowing if Stamkos will sign here for sure. So if we take Stamkos out of the equation entirely the Leafs trade Columbus and pick up Pulju. They're still weak down the middle and are looking for that top line centre.
I think Toronto doesn't ponder over this too hard and grab the best player available and what they need and what every team needs in the NHL. A #1, minute munching, all situation centre to face against other teams top lines.
True.
Again, he is tough to compare because he's so unique. But definitely has some Modano in there. Sakic, Modano, Toews, Kopitar...
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That's good to hear. One reason why Sundin was so successful under Toronto's media pressure was his swag attitude.
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Leafs will not trade that first. Did you see shannys face when we got it and his interviews after??? You can't trade a potential top 5 centre in the league!!! no matter what... We are rebuilding and so far we got a top1 dman Rielly, now Matthews, all we need is a goalie and than we can actually say we have guys to build around... And plus, Jackets won't be a bottom team next year.
The issue is they have no way of knowing where that pick is. If guaranteed to be 1, that would probably fly. But everyone felt Arizona was in line for a top pick at the beginning of the season and are choosing 7th, and luckily did not get knocked down in the lottery.
And honestly, is it worth the risk? Traditionally the number 7 overall picks average is a 4th liners/7th D man. That can hardly be called a spare part.
http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-expected-value-of-nhl-draft-picks-1.317819
Even this year. Do you give up Mathews for Strome and historically what averages out to 4th liner? We all think this years number 7 overall will buck the trend, but history shows some are going to be busts, and some at best OK players.
So looking at Mathews, I cant see why the leafs would deal it away.
Matthews looks as good as advertised. I was entertaining thoughts of a trade with Arizona but he's going to be a top center in the league. I wouldn't trade him for any winger in the world.
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Well, good on your city's minor hockey system for producing a #1 pick exactly 19 years after the Coyotes started playing in Arizona.
That's pretty crazy.
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I didn't see any cooperative trade partners when Torontonian kids like Stamkos, Tavares or McDavid were up as first overall choices for the Leafs.
In defense of the idea, Toronto was never on shaky ground as a franchise and in need of a Matthews in quite the same way.
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There is no realistic way the Leafs trade this pick.
We are loaded with prospects (Best player in the OHL, best team in the AHL) and have lots of picks for the next two drafts. We dont need anymore of those.
We dont need anything that Columbus or Arizona would realistically offer. Beyond that neither of those team are going to offer the world. They can't afford to. The cost it would take would gut them.
And both of those points are on top of the fact that Matthews is THE thing the Leafs need and have needed for almost a decade.
We are loaded with prospects (Best player in the OHL, best team in the AHL) and have lots of picks for the next two drafts. We dont need anymore of those.
We dont need anything that Columbus or Arizona would realistically offer. Beyond that neither of those team are going to offer the world. They can't afford to. The cost it would take would gut them.
And both of those points are on top of the fact that Matthews is THE thing the Leafs need and have needed for almost a decade.
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But it's not a charity...
If I were the Leafs GM and Arizona called me, I'm turning down Strome, Dvorak, Domi, 1st in 2016 and 1st 2017, just for reference. Just don't see the need in that kind of quantity. Because we're going to be sitting there with all these assets wondering how we can get a Matthews.
Still a ridiculous premise. Auston Matthews isn't moving the arena to a convenient location and I doubt the local factor matters even close to as much as winning. The most popular Sun in the last 2 decades is a Canadian born in South Africa, and the most popular Cardinal is a wide receiver from Minnesota. If they need a local kid playing for the team to save it and grow the game, they are living on borrowed time to begin with. I can't even think of an example of this actually working either, if Pete Maravich (not from Louisiana, but an LSU legend) couldn't keep the Jazz in New Orleans, I don't know why people think Matthews can save the Coyotes.
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wow the 10th pick is god awful, 12-14 better then 7-9 wow....
25,29 and 30 are really bad as well, small spikes in 23,24 relative to the pick.... very interesting, only knew 29 and 30 are bad good article.
25,29 and 30 are really bad as well, small spikes in 23,24 relative to the pick.... very interesting, only knew 29 and 30 are bad good article.
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At the end of the day, I don't think any NHL team would make a personnel move that took the survival of the Arizona market into consideration.
According to the people the Matthews vs Laine thread
Matthews is the best player in the league if he can put up 40 goals/80+ points and Kopitar level defence
I said this as his ceiling, not what he's guaranteed to be.
Looks like the Leafs are about to get the best player in the league then.
Matthews is the best player in the league if he can put up 40 goals/80+ points and Kopitar level defence
I said this as his ceiling, not what he's guaranteed to be.Looks like the Leafs are about to get the best player in the league then.
I just have no idea why people think he's not an electrifying offensive player like Laine is. I feel as if most of those people have watched Laine play a lot more than Matthews.
Matthews >>>>>>>>>>> Strome
There is no deal to be made right now that the Leafs accept.
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It's an unnecessary risk.
1) Matthews is better than Puljujarvi (immediate short-term loss)
2) The next Columbus pick is an unknown (what if Matthews turns them into a higher seed immediately?)
3) Team hasn't picked 1st since 1985
4) Ownership is losing money and Matthews would help big time (it's a business)
5) Matthews fits a need and Puljujarvi doesn't (as you mentioned)
6) Stamkos isn't a guarantee (as you mentioned)
Considering all of this, it would be "political suicide" to trade the pick unless you get McDavid/Ekblad back. Puljujarvi and Strome won't cut it. I say that with no disrespect to these guys who are studs in their own right.
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to entertain the thought of the Leafs even trading this pick screams mistake, I don't even care what's coming back (obviously won't be Mcdavid). As Shanahan said, we deserve this pick (metaphorically speaking for all the crap this city has had to go through with garbage hockey), so to say that, then go around and trade the pick is a kick in the face to us fans. Matthews has been touted as the best 1st overall aside from Crosby and Mcdavid over the past decade, you don't just trade away something like that. Like I said earlier, I really don't care what teams have to offer, he's just not for sale.
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its a moot point. They won't trade it. You don't put your fan base through what they have, and not take the #1 overall. The backlash would be brutal, and besides Lou has stated they were not entertaining anything of the sort, they are taking the best player available and it's based on a body of work, not based one game or tournament. You don't need to read between the lines to know they are taking the consensus #1 overall, Matthews.
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