C Auston Matthews (2016, 1st, TOR) VII
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DopeyFish
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Thing is, Matthews was the BPA for the team with the 1st overall pick. Laine could very well turn out to be the better player, but for Toronto, Matthews is a great prospect who fills a glaring hole. There was no other choice.
BayStreetBully
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The facts say Eichel had outstanding combine numbers which would have dominated both his and Matthews draft class. No one was making a judgement about what will happen or what's more important. I simply stated that the reason Eichel got a B rating instead of a C like McDavid was because of his strength and man child build. Having strength doesn't mean punching people in the head like was also mentioned, it also isn't a guarantee of a great career, it does however open opportunities for players by allowing them to be hard to push around and simply overpower because one player is 18/19 and the other is a 10 year NHL vet who hits the weight room every day.
It was posted before but here's a reminder for everyone thinking Eichel isn't that much stronger or that Matthew's is actually bigger then him.
My post wasn't intended to be Matthews hate, I want him to be good and think he has all the tools, but sometimes it's good to actually listen to what people are trying to say instead of taking everything so personal. It's like an echo chamber in here where everyone would rather get their hair up than discuss the prospect the threads about. There's no need to get defensive when someone is asking for everyone's opinion and one you don't like is given.
P.S. here are the combine comparables I could find, for some more facts.
bench press - Matthews 6 Eichel 16
standing jump - Matthews 106" Eichel 115"
Vertical jump Matthews 21.102" Eichel 26.18"
pro agility L - Matthews 4.48 Eichel 4.48
pro agility R - Matthews 4.52 Eichel 4.24
Vo2 max duration. Matthews ?? Eichel 12:15
Grip Right hand Matthews ?? Eichel 176
That's a funny contrast.
Matthews gets a twig fishing rod to catch a tiny fish in a tiny pond behind his house- before his mom calls him in for lunch.
Eichel gets a big boat to catch a massive fish in a massive ocean with his big boy buddies.
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Tim Stützle
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The facts say Eichel had outstanding combine numbers which would have dominated both his and Matthews draft class. No one was making a judgement about what will happen or what's more important. I simply stated that the reason Eichel got a B rating instead of a C like McDavid was because of his strength and man child build. Having strength doesn't mean punching people in the head like was also mentioned, it also isn't a guarantee of a great career, it does however open opportunities for players by allowing them to be hard to push around and simply overpower because one player is 18/19 and the other is a 10 year NHL vet who hits the weight room every day.
It was posted before but here's a reminder for everyone thinking Eichel isn't that much stronger or that Matthew's is actually bigger then him.
My post wasn't intended to be Matthews hate, I want him to be good and think he has all the tools, but sometimes it's good to actually listen to what people are trying to say instead of taking everything so personal. It's like an echo chamber in here where everyone would rather get their hair up than discuss the prospect the threads about. There's no need to get defensive when someone is asking for everyone's opinion and one you don't like is given.
P.S. here are the combine comparables I could find, for some more facts.
bench press - Matthews 6 Eichel 16
standing jump - Matthews 106" Eichel 115"
Vertical jump Matthews 21.102" Eichel 26.18"
pro agility L - Matthews 4.48 Eichel 4.48
pro agility R - Matthews 4.52 Eichel 4.24
Vo2 max duration. Matthews ?? Eichel 12:15
Grip Right hand Matthews ?? Eichel 176
All that working out, and this guy's the better player:
All that working out, and this guy's the better player:
Again, you seem to be missing the point. The discussion wasn't about fish or boats or even skills, it was strength, only strength. The picture was to show the difference in size, the combine numbers were to put facts behind the comment as was asked. No one was putting down Matthews or hyping Eichel, it was a question about the HF ratings (which mean even less than those combine numbers) and my comment was regarding why Eichel received a B grade to McDavid's C. Obviously some of the reason is Eichel was ranked as a 9.0 and McDavid a 9.5, but also Eichel had grown man strength which can be counted on to help the transition.
Matthews in my opinion would be a 9.0 C because his potential is lock-step with Eichel's but he doesn't have the build Eichel had at the same age. He could be better or worse, the ranking is simply a projection, and the letter is only a probability of reaching that projection. Stop and read what you're responding to once in awhile, it makes discussions far more interesting and they sound a lot less homerish.
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Matthews pretty clearly has strength, as it has been commented on that he is comparable to Getzlaf down-low by Scheifele, and Rielly (a workout warrior) commented on how strong Matthews was. He's coming into the league built at about 6'2.5 and about 216, there are no questions about whether his strength will carry over. Also, realize that players don't bench the same weight at the combine.
As for the combine in general, I wish the NHL would implement an on-ice combine like they do at the CHL top prospects game. McDavid absolutely dominated that, while did average at the NHL off-ice stuff. I understand why they like the off-ice combine (good to see who is capped and peaked early, while also test competitiveness and work ethic), but it has little impact on the ice.
As for the combine in general, I wish the NHL would implement an on-ice combine like they do at the CHL top prospects game. McDavid absolutely dominated that, while did average at the NHL off-ice stuff. I understand why they like the off-ice combine (good to see who is capped and peaked early, while also test competitiveness and work ethic), but it has little impact on the ice.
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LOL, who cares about his build? Hockey is played on the ice, not staring at yourself in a mirror. Maybe Eichel should worry less about his bench press and more about his hockey skills. I notice that most of the training videos of Matthews have him working out on the ice, or off ice skills work that translates directly to game play, not lifting a bunch of weights.
Since Matthews is better at training actual hockey skills I think he should be a 9.0A. Eichel should be docked points for training bench press.
There's been a few short clips but I agree. In the summer, I'll watch anything that has to do with hockey
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TDK67
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People get your point, but they disagree. Matthews being slightly less physically capable for his age than Eichel most likely has absolutely zero bearing on his hockey ability and future "safeness" in his projections--hence the McDavid mentions (not good at the combine but clearly above and beyond Eichel on the ice). People bringing up McDavid aren't saying Matthews is like him, but rather that he's one of many examples of how/why physical strength and musculature might not be that important. If it was as valuable as you say then draft rankings and actual top picks on draft day would basically resemble the top 10 lists from the combine.
So rather than repeat the same thing over and over, maybe move on or talk about something else. At the end of the day, your opinion is just that--an opinion--and there's no need for this mask of faux-objectivity you're putting on to make it seem like you're the only rational person amidst a sea of "homers".
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If Matthews isn't as strong, maybe he has even more potential due to the "how will he play if he actually gets strong" effect?
Regardless, strength isn't the only factor in what makes players more likely to reach potential. All that matters is if he's a good player or not, and if his play style translates to the NHL.
So the purpose of conditioning as a hockeyplayer is to look at yourself in the mirror and feel proud?! Sounds reasonable.
dubey
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Apparently this is the thread to boast about your teams prospect that aren't named Matthews
Namikaze Minato
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Marner > Matthews AINEC. Matthews is a plug on a terrible team which hasnt won in forever. Marner however is a future stud on a team that had a tough couple years and finally is turning their ship around.
come at me, bro
