C Auston Matthews (2016, 1st, TOR) VII

[93LEAFS]

Interesting, I think it was Pronman who said that Matthews isn't the guy that will get into the gritty areas and win puck battles for you.

Its more what he does when he has the puck and controlling it than winning it back. Pronamn also graded Matthews as a 70 on a 20-80 scale when it comes to puck control, which means he expects it to be an elite aspect of his game (actually his strongest trait according to Pronman). Taking the puck from Matthews will be very hard. He has amazing hands complimented with amazing strength on the puck.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Its more what he does when he has the puck and controlling it than winning it back. Pronamn also graded Matthews as a 70 on a 20-80 scale when it comes to puck control, which means he expects it to be an elite aspect of his game (actually his strongest trait according to Pronman). Taking the puck from Matthews will be very hard. He has amazing hands complimented with amazing strength on the puck.

Makes sense. Thanks for the perspective.

 

[Divine]

It's astonishing to me how the tone has changed for Matthews since the original threads. I was reading the original (Matthews, Part I & II) prospect threads and people were saying that if he put up over a point PPG in NLA, that's fantastic. Most people were expecting him to have an outstanding season if he finished top 5 in scoring on his team. One poster went as far as saying there was a greater chance of Arizona winning the Cup this year (this was after finishing 29th last year and drafting third) than Matthews putting up a PPG in the NLA.

Well, he did it, and now NLA is akin to bantam hockey.

 

[TDK67]

Interesting tidbit on the radio I wanted to share. Craig Custance was on TSN today talking World Cup and he was asked the following:

TSN: "If you had a secret poll of 30 general managers and you said two names: Eichel, Matthews--you can pick one for your franchise for the next 8 years. How do you think it would break down?"

Custance: "I think it would go Matthews, probably by a hair. And the reason I say this is that's a question I asked a lot because Auston missed that draft by whatever it was--2 or 3 days--yea, so just out of curiosity I said, 'Well, how would this draft had slotted if Auston was a few days older?' and pretty consistently guys would say 'McDavid's still the you know, he's in another stratosphere (and you know let's be real there) but then it would probably have gone Auston Matthews, Jack Eichel'"

So it sounds like Custance actually talked to execs/gms and they said they'd prefer Matthews over Eichel. That's pretty interesting.

Link to the interview: http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-105...d-have-easily-made-u-s-national-team-1.562329

 

[WTFMAN99]

Interesting tidbit on the radio I wanted to share. Craig Custance was on TSN today talking World Cup and he was asked the following:

TSN: "If you had a secret poll of 30 general managers and you said two names: Eichel, Matthews--you can pick one for your franchise for the next 8 years. How do you think it would break down?"

Custance: "I think it would go Matthews, probably by a hair. And the reason I say this is that's a question I asked a lot because Auston missed that draft by whatever it was--2 or 3 days--yea, so just out of curiosity I said, 'Well, how would this draft had slotted if Auston was a few days older?' and pretty consistently guys would say 'McDavid's still the you know, he's in another stratosphere (and you know let's be real there) but then it would probably have gone Auston Matthews, Jack Eichel'"

So it sounds like Custance actually talked to execs/gms and they said they'd prefer Matthews over Eichel. That's pretty interesting.

Link to the interview: http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-105...d-have-easily-made-u-s-national-team-1.562329

It's a real close conversation, even Bob Mackenzie when he polled scouts said it was obvious McDavid goes #1

and then a real long discussion is had about Matthews/Eichel.

Mattews is in the Tavares/Stamkos/Seguin tier. He's not in the Crosby/McDavid tier though.

 

[TDK67]

It's a real close conversation, even Bob Mackenzie when he polled scouts said it was obvious McDavid goes #1

and then a real long conversation is had about Matthews/Eichel.

Mattews is in the Eichel/Tavares/Stamkos/Seguin tier. He's not in the Crosby/McDavid tier though.

Obviously.

However, HF has conditioned me to think "Eichel > Matthews AINEC" when the reality among professional opinions is much different.

 

[scan15*]

It's astonishing to me how the tone has changed for Matthews since the original threads. I was reading the original (Matthews, Part I & II) prospect threads and people were saying that if he put up over a point PPG in NLA, that's fantastic. Most people were expecting him to have an outstanding season if he finished top 5 in scoring on his team. One poster went as far as saying there was a greater chance of Arizona winning the Cup this year (this was after finishing 29th last year and drafting third) than Matthews putting up a PPG in the NLA.

Well, he did it, and now NLA is akin to bantam hockey.

Forget it, Divine. It's Hfboards.

 

[Purity*]

Obviously.

However, HF has just conditioned me to think "Eichel > Matthews AINEC" when the reality among professional opinions is much different.

When you look at the entire body of opinions among professionals there's actually a lot to suggest that it's a lot different than the opinions you would find on HFBoards.

 

[TDK67]

When you look at the entire body of opinions among professionals there's actually a lot to suggest that it's a lot different than the opinions you would find on HFBoards.

Lol yep. Still makes you wish there was more objectivity and reason on average in these boards though.

 

[Purity*]

Lol yep. Still makes you wish there was more objectivity and reason on average in these boards though.

Yeah i know but all you can do is just laugh it off. Reading through some of the pre-draft threads before the lottery honestly gives me a chuckle.

There was a thread comparing #1 overalls awhile ago and there were posters in there who thought it was stupid having Matthews above Mackinnon and Hall. Really goes to show the objectivity you find around here.

 

[TDK67]

Yeah i know but all you can do is just laugh it off. Reading through some of the pre-draft threads before the lottery honestly gives me a chuckle.

There was a thread comparing #1 overalls awhile ago and there were posters in there who thought it was stupid having Matthews above Mackinnon and Hall. Really goes to show the objectivity you find around here.

Oh god I remember that horror show

If anyone ever needs an example of "revisionist history" or "flip-flopping" they can just look at 2016 draft talk on HF pre-lottery and post-lottery. It's actually amazing.

 

[BigWilly]

Interesting tidbit on the radio. Craig Custance was on TSN the other day talking World Cup and he was asked the following:

TSN: If you had a secret poll of 30 general managers and you said two names: Eichel, Matthews--you can pick one for your franchise for the next 8 years. How do you think it would break down?

Custance: I think it would go Matthews, probably by a hair. And the reason I say this is that's a question I asked a lot because Auston missed that draft by whatever it was--2 or 3 days--yea, so just out of curiosity I said, 'Well, how would this draft had slotted if Auston was a few days older?' and pretty consistently guys would say 'McDavid's still the you know, he's in another stratosphere (and you know let's be real there) but then it would probably have gone Auston Matthews, Jack Eichel'

So it sounds like Custance actually talked to execs/gms and they said they'd prefer Matthews over Eichel.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-105...d-have-easily-made-u-s-national-team-1.562329

 

[King In The North]

Is this conversation assuming Matthews a few days older but also having played his professional season?

 

[Plural]

Is this conversation assuming Matthews a few days older but also having played his professional season?

One has to think it is. Considering how touted Eichel was in his draft season.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Is this conversation assuming Matthews a few days older but also having played his professional season?

I assumed he was talking about on draft day last year. Matthews had already been outproducing Eichel at other competition before the draft, so its not really a surprise that Matthews was preferred to Eichel by a pro. They are very close.

 

[Atomos2]

Matthews is an incredible talent and tbh, no one on here really knows what he can do. Obviously with Leaf fan overhyping, it can decrease his stock unfavourably to the people on HFboards, but in reality, this kid is an incredible talent with an incredible wow factor. He'll make a lot of doubters look incredibly stupid in the next few months, i'm sure of it.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Is this conversation assuming Matthews a few days older but also having played his professional season?

This is what I heard. He was talking about Matthews' play in the WHC when the hypothetical question was posed to him by Landsberg. I am pretty sure Mckenzie and Pat O Sullivan already tweeted Matthews would have gone #3 in the 2015 draft. But the question was never who would have gone #1 in 2016 had Eichel been in the same draft.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Matthews is an incredible talent and tbh, no one on here really knows what he can do. Obviously with Leaf fan overhyping, it can decrease his stock unfavourably to the people on HFboards, but in reality, this kid is an incredible talent with an incredible wow factor. He'll make a lot of doubters look incredibly stupid in the next few months, i'm sure of it.

I don't know who the doubters are? I can only speak for myself, for which I have always said Matthews would be a legitimate #1 pick in most drafts and he is a great talent. The only times I do disagree is when a very small minority of posters already say he is projected to be better than a HOF player like Mats Sundin without playing 1 NHL game yet. I don't think you can classify this as being a doubter. Let the kid write his own story. There will be growing pains, and their will be successes. He's still only 18, and 19 when the season begins. Which should have him well prepared for this upcoming season.

 

[EXPECT THE LEAFS]

Get to watch some hockey tonight.

Apparently Matthews will be on the LW tonight with RNH and Mackinnon.

 

[91Stammer*]

He coached mcdavid last year, its Todd McLellan the oilers coach?

So just because he coached one of the greatest players in this generation makes him a great coach? My ***. I know we have a good talent in McDavid but the day America produces a talent like Lemieux, Orr, McDavid, Crosby, Gratzky is far far away. People will never hear from a great coach that Matthews has any factors that McDavid posses.

 

[TDK67]

Interesting tidbit on the radio. Craig Custance was on TSN the other day talking World Cup and he was asked the following:

TSN: If you had a secret poll of 30 general managers and you said two names: Eichel, Matthews--you can pick one for your franchise for the next 8 years. How do you think it would break down?

Custance: I think it would go Matthews, probably by a hair. And the reason I say this is that's a question I asked a lot because Auston missed that draft by whatever it was--2 or 3 days--yea, so just out of curiosity I said, 'Well, how would this draft had slotted if Auston was a few days older?' and pretty consistently guys would say 'McDavid's still the you know, he's in another stratosphere (and you know let's be real there) but then it would probably have gone Auston Matthews, Jack Eichel'

So it sounds like Custance actually talked to execs/gms and they said they'd prefer Matthews over Eichel.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-105...d-have-easily-made-u-s-national-team-1.562329

Hey now, did you accidentally copy/paste my comment without quoting me or were you trying to pass off my work as your own?

 

[Plural]

Hey now, did you accidentally copy/paste my comment without quoting me or were you trying to pass off my work as your own?

Plagiarism on HFBoards.

I think there's a thread on the main boards that took your post as the OP too.

 

[ijuka]

Get to watch some hockey tonight.

Apparently Matthews will be on the LW tonight with RNH and Mackinnon.

This will be interesting to see. I wonder if Matthews can stabilize himself as the third line center over the course of the tournament. That might be within reach.

 

[TDK67]

Plagiarism on HFBoards.

I think there's a thread on the main boards that took your post as the OP too.

It's just especially weird in this instance because my original comment is on this same page just a few posts above his copy/paste and people were already discussing it. It's not like it was dug up from 10 pages ago or something. Really strange but whatever.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Get to watch some hockey tonight.

Apparently Matthews will be on the LW tonight with RNH and Mackinnon.

Exhibition game tonight? Thanks for the heads up.