C Adam Fantilli - (2023, 3rd, CBJ) Part 2

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

do enlighten


No he's right. Bedard's the higher calibre prospect by a factor of 10.

That's odd, considering their NHLe from their draft years are relatively close. Where are you getting 10 from?

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

That's odd, considering their NHLe from their draft years are relatively close. Where are you getting 10 from?

Please find me one pre draft opinion where Matthews is being heralded as mcdavids equal, a generational talent, or the best prospect in years.

It takes about 1 minute of Google search to find multiple scouts and quotes from anonymous executives claiming Bedard as such. Notice how it's never "best prospect since Matthews" and always the best since McDavid, that's because he's unanimously seen as the better prospect than Matthews was.

Maybe you viewed Matthews higher than most, and maybe you will be right about who will be the better NHL player because there are no guarantees bedard tops what Matthews has done, but as it stands in the scouting community bedard is regarded as far and away the better prospect at this point than Matthews was.

Matthews was getting kopitar comparisons and Bedard is being held to the Crosby/McDavid standard, whether you like it or not.

I personally thought MacKinnon was a far Superior prospect to Eichel for instance, but I'm not naive enough to think many people didn't agree with me, and despite MacKinnon clearly becoming the better player and somewhat validating my opinion, I don't necessarily believe MacKinnon would have been drafted ahead of Eichel had they been in the same draft, because I realize most people didn't agree with that take at the time

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Please find me one pre draft opinion where Matthews is being heralded as mcdavids equal, a generational talent, or the best prospect in years.

It takes about 1 minute of Google search to find multiple scouts and quotes from anonymous executives claiming Bedard as such. Notice how it's never "best prospect since Matthews" and always the best since McDavid, that's because he's unanimously seen as the better prospect than Matthews was.

Maybe you viewed Matthews higher than most, and maybe you will be right about who will be the better NHL player because there are no guarantees bedard tops what Matthews has done, but as it stands in the scouting community bedard is regarded as far and away the better prospect at this point than Matthews was.

Matthews was getting kopitar comparisons and Bedard is being held to the Crosby/McDavid standard, whether you like it or not.

I personally thought MacKinnon was a far Superior prospect to Eichel for instance, but I'm not naive enough to think many people didn't agree with me, and despite MacKinnon clearly becoming the better player and somewhat validating my opinion, I don't necessarily believe MacKinnon would have been drafted ahead of Eichel had they been in the same draft, because I realize most people didn't agree with that take at the time

People comparing Bedard to McDavid are out to lunch, and I think you know that.

 

[Gliff]

I thought I clicked the wrong thread for a second.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I know this is the Fantilli thread but some people are going to be really disappointed when Bedard isn't #99 reincarnated.

 

[jj cale]

I know this is the Fantilli thread but some people are going to be really disappointed when Bedard isn't #99 reincarnated.

He doesn't have to be, being Connor Bedard is going to be plenty good enough.

He's going to be a hell of a player.

 

[Boonk]

Fantilli has looked really good vs the Swiss in the 1st today.

 

[Masch78]

Honestly, if Fantilli is a MacKinnon tyoe of prospect (is he?) I'd take him at #2 and run. No matter who else is there

 

[HanSolo]

Honestly, if Fantilli is a MacKinnon tyoe of prospect (is he?) I'd take him at #2 and run. No matter who else is there

I think he could be if everything goes right with his development and he's dedicated to improve to that level but we can leave it at remains to be seen. A MacKinnon type is near his ceiling but his floor is decent second liner if he struggles to adapt a number of elements of his game.

 

[Steve Kournianos]

Now sure. At the time - only if you had a generous definition of generational.

Ovechkin scored 14 goals at the U18 WC in his draft-2. The hype around him was ridiculous for three seasons heading into the 2004 draft.

He was regarded as the best Russian prospect of all time and was called the best draft prospect since Mario Lemieux. The term "generational" was rarely used before Crosby. I know for a fact that Ovechkin and Crosby were considered equal in terms of draft hype heading into 2004, with Crosby a year younger.

If you're going to have Lindros as generational, then you have to have Ovechkin. Especially since he wasn't Canadian yet the Canadian media fell in love with him.

 

[JackSlater]

Ovechkin scored 14 goals at the U18 WC in his draft-2. The hype around him was ridiculous for three seasons heading into the 2004 draft.

He was regarded as the best Russian prospect of all time and was called the best draft prospect since Mario Lemieux. The term "generational" was rarely used before Crosby. I know for a fact that Ovechkin and Crosby were considered equal in terms of draft hype heading into 2004, with Crosby a year younger.

If you're going to have Lindros as generational, then you have to have Ovechkin. Especially since he wasn't Canadian yet the Canadian media fell in love with him.

That's way more positive than I remember Ovechkin being perceived. I remember more Kovalchuk+, which was still huge hype since Kovalchuk was extremely hyped himself, but he was not hyped at Lindros' level. Should have been, but wasn't. I agree that generational wasn't thrown around that much in general. Really they just need a better term that isn't tied to the passage of time but rather ability.

Fantilli is far from being that level as a prospect, which is not an insult to him. Meanings get devalued over time though and it's easy for someone looking for attention to overhype someone to get some eyeballs. Craig Button is constantly on TSN calling the WJC a best on best tournament, which is stupid on many levels.

 

[Pepper]

Soooo...What are the chances that Fantilli doesnt sign with Anaheim and goes the UFA route in couple of years?

 

[ForsbergForever]

Soooo...What are the chances that Fantilli doesnt sign with Anaheim and goes the UFA route in couple of years?

Ummm less than zero??? He'll be living in southern California, making millions, while playing with other skilled young players like Zegras, Terry, McTavish, and Drysdale. What part of that sounds like a bad situation to you?

 

[Pepper]

Ummm less than zero??? He'll be living in southern California, making millions, while playing with other skilled young players like Zegras, Terry, McTavish, and Drysdale. What part of that sounds like a bad situation to you?

Hey just asking, in case he has some deep relationship with some team or wants to live in certain city/state etc

 

[Masch78]

Soooo...What are the chances that Fantilli doesnt sign with Anaheim and goes the UFA route in couple of years?

You expect him to stay another 3 years in College?

 

[independent observer]

I would take Michkov and continue to tank

By the way, why is Fantilli playing for Canada? He is a spaghetti!

 

[Pepper]

You expect him to stay another 3 years in College?

No. I'm not expecting anything, just asking if there are some reasons why he might do that.

 

[Boxscore]

Honestly, if Fantilli is a MacKinnon tyoe of prospect (is he?) I'd take him at #2 and run. No matter who else is there

Fantilli is more Eichel than MacKinnon but a great prospect nonetheless.

 

[FriarChill]

Can anyone tell me more about his physical play? I noticed he took quite a lot of PIMs (not massive but close to 2 PIM per game) the last 2 years. Are those "dumb" penalties or penalties because he plays with a lot of fire?
Is he good taking Faceoffs or does he need lots of improvement at that aspect of his game?

 

[Kalv]

Can anyone tell me more about his physical play? I noticed he took quite a lot of PIMs (not massive but close to 2 PIM per game) the last 2 years. Are those "dumb" penalties or penalties because he plays with a lot of fire?
Is he good taking Faceoffs or does he need lots of improvement at that aspect of his game?

He got a 5 and a game just in the game vs Norway. It was a play that maybe is not even a minor one in the NHL. He just plays hard – obviously it gets him penalized here and there, but he sometimes is just a wrecking ball, he was one in the WJC as well.

I haven't seen him in college that much outside of the highlights but I imagine it might be the same. He pays attention defensively but I haven't seen him taking dumb penalties in both international tournaments this year.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

Soooo...What are the chances that Fantilli doesnt sign with Anaheim and goes the UFA route in couple of years?

That’s always on my mind - imagine that high of a draft pick spurns the team

 

[Antiillafire]

He was doing cardio out there today before getting ejected

 

[Breakers]

Can anyone tell me more about his physical play? I noticed he took quite a lot of PIMs (not massive but close to 2 PIM per game) the last 2 years. Are those "dumb" penalties or penalties because he plays with a lot of fire?
Is he good taking Faceoffs or does he need lots of improvement at that aspect of his game?

Well this past season he had 2 game misconducts

One was fighting against Michigan state which is always a feisty game, even though I wouldn’t have classified it as a fight, he got his helmet torn off in a scrum and threw a punch.
So the minor is called, then the 5, then the 10.
Roughing, fighting, game misconduct

Then he got his elbow up bracing for a big hit coming against him from Notre dame player and again 2-5-10.
Coaches have the ability in college hockey to challenge for head contact even when a penalty isn’t called on the ice, though I’d say most are unsuccessful, They did and it was successful, and he left the game.
so that's 34 of his penalty minutes right there

 

[Juxtaposer]

Hey just asking, in case he has some deep relationship with some team or wants to live in certain city/state etc

If he did, why would we know? Might as well as if anyone on this forum is his close blood relative.

 

[Pepper]

If he did, why would we know? Might as well as if anyone on this forum is his close blood relative.

Thanks for this well-thought answer! Obviously it's impossible for anyone to have any deeper knowledge about this player, I mean who could have known that John Tavares grew up dreaming about playing for the Leafs.