Bunting UFA Next Seasom

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He'll be close to a 5m cap hit if he has a similar season.

They'll probably let him walk under the premise that Knies can fill that role so we can maintain our quota of 1 forward with functional physicality per season.
 
Yep. With every gamble, there's always the possibility for a loss.

Overall I'm not too worried about the Bunting situation. He clearly has a good relationship with Dubas' and Keefe (what brought him to the Leafs to begin with). If the front office wants to keep him, they'll find room on a compromise

The other tactic might be the double down approach where you build him up as his own line driver at some point in the season and see what happens. If he comes through you'll be happy to pay him. If not, you've thrown some cold water on his AAV ask.
 
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yup kicking the can down the road has worked well for us but by well i mean the summer before they become a ufa , it hasn't worked at all once there contract has expired

So a wiser option would be to sign a 27 year old whose only had 1 good season (playing alongside two 90-100 point players)?

Might be worth it to get a bigger sample size to see if he's the real deal.....
 
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Heck, they could try a Marlie there, as long as they can skate. Maybe McMann?

I mean if they're going to keep those two together, they might as well have them carry a third linemate. And is definitely worth it to try Bunting more with one of the lower lines for a bit - see if he can handle it away from those guys.
 
So a wiser option would be to sign a 27 year old whose only had 1 good season (playing alongside two 90-100 point players)?

Might be worth it to get a bigger sample size to see if he's the real deal.....
He’ll won’t be any more real with another good season playing with M and M .

He’s a solid 3rd wheel on that line , not some budding star that can produce at that level without playing with stars so that’s why I’d try to get him to play it safe and offer him something like 10m over 3yrs , which offers him some financial security and is still not going to harm our cap if he gets moved to the middle 6 .

But waiting a yr and then hoping he gives us a discount if he has a similar year will turn out as well as it has with our other ufa’s .
 
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He’ll won’t be any more real with another good season playing with M and M .

He’s a solid 3rd wheel on that line , not some budding star that can produce at that level without playing with stars so that’s why I’d try to get him to play it safe and offer him something like 10m over 3yrs , which offers him some financial security and is still not going to harm our cap if he gets moved to the middle 6 .

But waiting a yr and then hoping he gives us a discount if he has a similar year will turn out as well as it has with our other ufa’s .

If he's willing to sign a fair deal now, he'll likely be extended soon. As I said in the first post you replied to - there's clearly a good relationship between the player and front office; it likely won't be an overly complicated negotiation if the team wants to keep him.
 
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Here's the thing about Bunting:

He was a 26 year old rookie.

That means that for 8 years, he wasn't quite good enough to merit being in the NHL.
After a single season, a really good one, he's not yet gained enough of a track record to convince anyone of what kind of NHL player he is.

If he continues playing like he did last season, he's a solid player.
But we have no clue whether he can maintain that level of play for 2 years, 3, 5, etc.

If he's re-signed before the season, it'll be a 1 year deal for a marginal raise.

I don't think that's enticing to Bunting to be honest.

Simultaneously, a long-term deal with some actual money to it should not be enticing to the organization either.

So, it will most likely be a "wait and see" thing with him.
 

Mike Bunting, Toronto Maple Leafs

There’s little doubt that Mike Bunting wants to remain in Toronto past this year and that the Maple Leafs want to keep him. But for the moment, it’s been very quiet on the contract front.

“We are not in negotiations at this time,” Bunting’s agent Paul Capizzano told The Athletic on Wednesday.

As I reported back in October. I believe the player would be interested in a max eight-year deal to secure his future with his hometown team, and I believe the Leafs front office might actually look at that, given the ability to massage the AAV. But for now, they haven’t picked up the phone yet
, which might speak more to the sense of how much is riding on this season as a whole for the team, as far as finally delivering in the playoffs.
 
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Mike Bunting, Toronto Maple Leafs

There’s little doubt that Mike Bunting wants to remain in Toronto past this year and that the Maple Leafs want to keep him. But for the moment, it’s been very quiet on the contract front.

“We are not in negotiations at this time,” Bunting’s agent Paul Capizzano told The Athletic on Wednesday.

As I reported back in October. I believe the player would be interested in a max eight-year deal to secure his future with his hometown team, and I believe the Leafs front office might actually look at that, given the ability to massage the AAV. But for now, they haven’t picked up the phone yet
, which might speak more to the sense of how much is riding on this season as a whole for the team, as far as finally delivering in the playoffs.

The structure of the article looks like a mad libs from the Jack Campbell/Zach Hyman storyline. We'll always have Edmonton.
 
But for now, they haven’t picked up the phone yet, which might speak more to the sense of how much is riding on this season as a whole for the team, as far as finally delivering in the playoffs.

I read this as a possibility that Dubas has been told not to enter contract negotiations with Bunting (and perhaps others) for the reasons outlined in this quote.
 
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Mike Bunting, Toronto Maple Leafs

There’s little doubt that Mike Bunting wants to remain in Toronto past this year and that the Maple Leafs want to keep him. But for the moment, it’s been very quiet on the contract front.

“We are not in negotiations at this time,” Bunting’s agent Paul Capizzano told The Athletic on Wednesday.

As I reported back in October. I believe the player would be interested in a max eight-year deal to secure his future with his hometown team, and I believe the Leafs front office might actually look at that, given the ability to massage the AAV. But for now, they haven’t picked up the phone yet
, which might speak more to the sense of how much is riding on this season as a whole for the team, as far as finally delivering in the playoffs.

If a deal does happen, seems like it'll be as I thought with regards to giving the player term to keep the aav down (likely front loaded too)
 
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The ONLY depth player that I wish we never lost was Brown, didn't care about losing Kapanen Didn't care about losing Johnsson, didn't really care about losing Hyman, to me depth players are replaceable,that's what makes them depth players.

That being said we CAN'T lose Bunting, he's a legitimate top 6 forward, unless you acquire say Meier as replacement you can't lose Bunting, there is a legitimate argument to me made that that's the 2nd best move Dubas has ever made next to Tavares
 
The ONLY depth player that I wish we never lost was Brown, didn't care about losing Kapanen Didn't care about losing Johnsson, didn't really care about losing Hyman, to me depth players are replaceable,that's what makes them depth players.

That being said we CAN'T lose Bunting, he's a legitimate top 6 forward, unless you acquire say Meier as replacement you can't lose Bunting, there is a legitimate argument to me made that that's the 2nd best move Dubas has ever made next to Tavares
There's also a legitimate argument that Tavares is the WORST move Dubas has made. Guy is absolutely handcuffing this team moving forward. As for Bunting, yeah, you gotta find a way to keep him.
 
There's also a legitimate argument that Tavares is the WORST move Dubas has made. Guy is absolutely handcuffing this team moving forward. As for Bunting, yeah, you gotta find a way to keep him.

No there isn't, he's not handcuffing the team, If anything covid did, and NOBODY saw that coming.

You can be critical of Dubas for a lot of things that's not one of them.
 
No there isn't, he's not handcuffing the team, If anything covid did, and NOBODY saw that coming.

You can be critical of Dubas for a lot of things that's not one of them.
That's your opinion Mine is that he was a mistake. Agree to disagree. But I guess this isn't the place to discuss JT.
 
4 million for 8 years is probably what the contract ends up at. That's 32 million secured to play for your hometown team in a top 6 with Matthews , Marner, Nylander, and Tavares.
 
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4 million for 8 years is probably what the contract ends up at. That's 32 million secured to play for your hometown team in a top 6 with Matthews , Marner, Nylander, and Tavares.
Something like this for sure, maybe even lower than 4 given that its an 8 year deal for a player that usually doesn't garner such an option.

Everybody wins. Stays with his hometown team, plays with legit NHLers and secures the bag.
 

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