I am sure they would not even consider it. Brayden Point is their heart and soul. They'll keep Hedman, Vasi, Kucherov, and Point together long term, and dump everyone else if they have to (sorry Stammer).
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I am sure they would not even consider it. Brayden Point is their heart and soul. They'll keep Hedman, Vasi, Kucherov, and Point together long term, and dump everyone else if they have to (sorry Stammer).
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A couple things I'm interested in seeing:
1) where do we end up in the draft? - If we were to pull #1OA and draft Owen Power, I think that changes some of the thinking around what to target with a Jones trade. While he's not RHD, there is no reason he can't become a top pair d-man just like Z.
2) With Jones on the move, what does that mean for Cam and Gus? - Cam isn't going to want to go through a re-build as much as he loves Columbus. I would have no problem moving him or him staying but I could see him approaching Jarmo with a request to be moved. Same for Gus but he has less impact on the perception and the city
3) I am not in favor of selling off young assets. - I don't think you move Laine or Werenski. I think they can be part of the future. Young, still RFA and unless you're getting massive overpayment (which in Laine's case wouldn't be much based on his year with CBJ) I think you keep them as part of the core. Moving everyone that has value would put us even further behind Buffalo in my opinion. Too many examples showing why tanking and completely gutting your team is a nightmare and as a fan and Day 1 season ticket holder, I still want to enjoy games and see the team win. Don't have to be great next year but I'm not in favor of a bottom 5 finish 3 years in a row - or more!
4) How do they use their other two 1st round picks? - with cap space and picks I do think they can get some young talent that's ready to step in and with upside. I actually like the draft for the first 45 picks or so but if you can get a player you think is a long term fit, go for it.
5) how do we approach our other players with 1 year remaining? - Boone, Z, Domi, Roslovic... Who's part of the future. I really think you need to keep Boone and I don't mind rolling with Domi to see if his late season improvement can be carried into next year. Is Roslovic a 2C (sure looked like a good one for the most part). The RFAs due this year will likely get 1 or 2 year deals for minimal money.
6) How do we actually treat free agency? Never really been a player but with so many moving parts I still would like to see some grit and specialists here. I've mentioned Kuraly before and still think he'd be a good bottom 6 center with experience and still young enough to earn another contract. Do we bring Del Zotto back? Lehtonen?
7) What will the defense really look like? - This could be very ugly.
8) With the Jones news, how does this change the goaltending sell off? For a rebuild I was thinking Elvis would be a better option (with Tarasov in the wings), however, now it may be they simply trade the one that gets the best return. That's not insignificant a decision.
Lot's to unravel and we get to see more changes next year depending on how this plays out. I fully expect Voronkov to be in Columbus in 2 years and here, by god I hope, for a long time. that could be a great middle 6C. We have some pieces but the holes will be bigger. I'm actually more worried about the defense than the offense moving forward.
1) where do we end up in the draft? - If we were to pull #1OA and draft Owen Power, I think that changes some of the thinking around what to target with a Jones trade. While he's not RHD, there is no reason he can't become a top pair d-man just like Z.
2) With Jones on the move, what does that mean for Cam and Gus? - Cam isn't going to want to go through a re-build as much as he loves Columbus. I would have no problem moving him or him staying but I could see him approaching Jarmo with a request to be moved. Same for Gus but he has less impact on the perception and the city
3) I am not in favor of selling off young assets. - I don't think you move Laine or Werenski. I think they can be part of the future. Young, still RFA and unless you're getting massive overpayment (which in Laine's case wouldn't be much based on his year with CBJ) I think you keep them as part of the core. Moving everyone that has value would put us even further behind Buffalo in my opinion. Too many examples showing why tanking and completely gutting your team is a nightmare and as a fan and Day 1 season ticket holder, I still want to enjoy games and see the team win. Don't have to be great next year but I'm not in favor of a bottom 5 finish 3 years in a row - or more!
4) How do they use their other two 1st round picks? - with cap space and picks I do think they can get some young talent that's ready to step in and with upside. I actually like the draft for the first 45 picks or so but if you can get a player you think is a long term fit, go for it.
5) how do we approach our other players with 1 year remaining? - Boone, Z, Domi, Roslovic... Who's part of the future. I really think you need to keep Boone and I don't mind rolling with Domi to see if his late season improvement can be carried into next year. Is Roslovic a 2C (sure looked like a good one for the most part). The RFAs due this year will likely get 1 or 2 year deals for minimal money.
6) How do we actually treat free agency? Never really been a player but with so many moving parts I still would like to see some grit and specialists here. I've mentioned Kuraly before and still think he'd be a good bottom 6 center with experience and still young enough to earn another contract. Do we bring Del Zotto back? Lehtonen?
7) What will the defense really look like? - This could be very ugly.
8) With the Jones news, how does this change the goaltending sell off? For a rebuild I was thinking Elvis would be a better option (with Tarasov in the wings), however, now it may be they simply trade the one that gets the best return. That's not insignificant a decision.
Lot's to unravel and we get to see more changes next year depending on how this plays out. I fully expect Voronkov to be in Columbus in 2 years and here, by god I hope, for a long time. that could be a great middle 6C. We have some pieces but the holes will be bigger. I'm actually more worried about the defense than the offense moving forward.
Lots of good thoughts there on the potential rebuild. I'll quibble a bit as usual.
2) Guys like Cam and Gus (and Nick) are at an age where they don't want to move around that much. Are the kids school age now? They might prefer to be here even if the team stinks.
3) I agree, whatever you do, don't sell Bjorkstrand or Werenski. Do what you can to get buy in there. I say pay Werenski $8m x 8 (or maybe even a bit more) to get him on board long term. Compare it to Ottawa signing Chabot when they started their rebuild. I don't think the same applies to Laine. It's funny to me that we're talking about culture problems and wanting to retain the culture built by Foligno/Dubinsky/etc... and no one has mentioned the difficulty of building a culture of common sacrifice and hard work with players that can't or won't put into practice that lesson. I'm rooting for the player but I think a pick around ~8th/10th OA would do more for our rebuild than keeping him.
8) The goaltending situation is another one where it makes me loathe the idea of a rebuild. We're not getting full value for trading Elvis. He could become a star player in this league for all we know and we'd be selling him off for lesser assets. That would just stink. I don't like that the FO is paying attention to the difference in return between Korpi and Elvis. If Elvis is open to extending here then I wouldn't move him even if he could be sold for a mid 1st and Korpisalo had no trade value at all.
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Yes, I do intend to be as insufferably, unstoppably annoying about this as I possibly can. I very Do Not Want to destroy the franchise in a longshot attempt to save it.
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I am pro maximizing our ability to win from the 2023-24 season onward. I admit “pro tank” is not exactly the correct phrase. But it is so much easier to type than “believing this an opportune time to sacrifice near term success while restructuring the team for a long run of winning hockey with a mostly new core group of players, without intentionally losing and destroying the culture of the team in the process and ending up like Buffalo”, so sometimes I will take short cuts. If you call me out for doing so, I can respect that. But I still might do it because I am lazy at times.
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Regarding Zach, I think you offer him the best long term deal to extend that you feel is reasonable be it 8X8 or whatever. You discuss with him the plans going forward and how he fits. If he declines the offer I think trading him IF the return is good is the way to go. Keeping him for another go round might change his mind, might not so why risk him becoming a distraction?
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Rebuild = make all three first round picks
Reload = trade all three for three young players that are RFA
I'm assuming we pick fifth, then late 20s for the other two, and these aren't straight swaps, obviously, but a base for any deals
5th - Comtois, Reinhart, Erickson Ek, Batherson
Later 2 - O Kase, Dublin, Valikami, Timmins, Yamamoto, Fiala, Chytil, Fabbrao, Patrick, Thomas, Barbashev
Reload = trade all three for three young players that are RFA
I'm assuming we pick fifth, then late 20s for the other two, and these aren't straight swaps, obviously, but a base for any deals
5th - Comtois, Reinhart, Erickson Ek, Batherson
Later 2 - O Kase, Dublin, Valikami, Timmins, Yamamoto, Fiala, Chytil, Fabbrao, Patrick, Thomas, Barbashev
Obviously, everything hinges on the return for Jones and the front office utilizes those first round picks. The proper long term play (imo) is to load up on as many picks and prospects as you can. This team was the 4th-worst team in the league at the end of 2016 and managed to be the 3rd or 4th best in 2017 and swept Tampa in 2019. So you can turn around things fairly quickly if you wanted to retool/reload. But it doesn't set you up for a big window. Look at Pittsburgh, Washington, Boston, Tampa (and now probably teams like Colorado and Carolina). You need some elite, elite talent to get a good 8-12 year window of competing year in and year out. You do that, largely, through the draft. I would say try to load up on as many 1st and 2nd rounders over the next 2-3 years. It's almost a bit of the "moneyball" aspect - drafting is a bit like throwing darts, so load up on as many darts as you can.
The "window" might open when (if?) the Russians start coming over and get into their primes here in 2023 or 2024. That should also be when some of these picks start bubbling up to the NHL level. Bjorkstrand would be the vet by then in the room and maybe Jenner if he's extended and slotted into an appropriate bottom 6 role.
A "reload" or whatever you want to call it means turning Jones, a goalie, and a 1st round pick or two into as many NHL-ready guys you can get over the next 2-3 days and trying to compete with the Jenner/Atkinson/Bjorkstrand/maybe Werenski core. It would be more short term success. You really probably wouldn't be getting elite guys to open up a multi-year window. Of course, it sort of depends on the return but it's more short-term thinking, to me, a la the 2019 "go for it" deadline.
The "window" might open when (if?) the Russians start coming over and get into their primes here in 2023 or 2024. That should also be when some of these picks start bubbling up to the NHL level. Bjorkstrand would be the vet by then in the room and maybe Jenner if he's extended and slotted into an appropriate bottom 6 role.
A "reload" or whatever you want to call it means turning Jones, a goalie, and a 1st round pick or two into as many NHL-ready guys you can get over the next 2-3 days and trying to compete with the Jenner/Atkinson/Bjorkstrand/maybe Werenski core. It would be more short term success. You really probably wouldn't be getting elite guys to open up a multi-year window. Of course, it sort of depends on the return but it's more short-term thinking, to me, a la the 2019 "go for it" deadline.
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The Wild very likely don't trade Eriksson Ek for that pick, and they 100% don't consider Fiala for your later firsts.
Jovavic
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Appreciate the comment but I pointed out the picks would be the base for any trade, so something like the Leafs pick and something else for Fiala.
Making that post I didn't take into account each teams cap situation so I don't know if a RFA is looking to get paid by a team with low space.
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It would take a pretty hefty addition to the Leafs 1st to get the Wild to move Fiala. He's nigh untouchable barring some deal for a 1C. He was our second best forward all season, and best in the playoffs, pacing for 65 points while playing with the likes of Victor Rask, Ryan Hartman, Marcus Johansson and Zach Parise. The plan is to get him some real top 6 talent to play with.
I think CBJ missed the boat to acquire him when they moved Dubois. If that was ever even on the table in the first place.
I don’t see Cam wanting to go anywhere else. He has a really nice training facility set up near Plain City that guarantees him a very prosperous post-hockey life. Cam is the quintessential Columbus player: a guy with a young family and a thriving after hockey business. He will retire as a Jacket.
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That's definitely an interesting comment. It would be nice if they told us if they're going rebuild versus retool/reload but I'm not holding my breath. We'll just have to wait for their moves to tell us.
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Good explanation of BPA strategy at end of that interview by Jarmo, just for EspenK.
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He’ll probably trade Toronto’s pick back to them for the rights to negotiate with Nick Foligno.
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Hopefully the first one.
Judging from the comments afterward, that pick isn't going anywhere.
Hold it: Blue Jackets stay put, will draft No. 5 in 2021 NHL Draft. Who could they select?
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Dubas seems like a gm who would never hurt hid big guys feelings.
”He’s a good guy, one of them”
Reinhart has one year left and he’s pretty tired of losing by the comments
”He’s a good guy, one of them”
Plus Reinhart RFA. So you must to start to look for other players.
Reinhart has one year left and he’s pretty tired of losing by the comments
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