Post-Game Talk: Buffed - Jets 5 Sharks 4 (OT)

[HannuJ]

5-57: Kulikov with a horrendous turnover before... sigh.

TURNING HIS BACK TO THE FLYING BODY OF HERTL ALONG THE BOARDS. When do they learn? You are not supposed to put yourself in a vulnerable position at any time. An awful effort, even if it was a short one..

how you can even attempt to lay any blame on Kulikov is beyond my understanding.
should he have turned around and faced the oncoming check?

 

[kanadalainen]

That one stupid penalty was really bad, but he redeemed himself in OT. Why are you downplaying his assist on the OT goal? It was a well executed play where he made Burns, their top D-man, look silly.

He really did own Burns on that play. Lets be very honest - not many guys in the league can do that.

AARonDell and Marc-Edouard Vlasic kill me but Beyak is still 100% better than Sportsnet....he has his quirks but he injects emotion into the game and like Bob Cole and Dusty Buff if you want to focus on the negatives they serve up allot of Red meat but they also do some things that are great.

Hearing some posters say they hate the Sharks. They have always been one of the teams I like and enjoy watching. They are the Baby Faces of the three Cali teams IMO.

Historically brutal building for us to win in so you take the two points and get the hell out of town.

This one felt pretty pretty dam good.

Lots of very thoughtful points and some good questions that I couldn't answer. This game really showed how very much better Beyak and even a random colour guy are compared to the faceless Sportsnet talking heads. One gets the sense that, with Beyak at the helm, they are indeed at a hockey game and not a secondary qualifying round of a PGA tryout.

I was neutral on the Sharks for years. That is, until Hertl hurtled into Kulikov with full intent - which is one thing - and then witnessed some of their fans wriggle in gleeful exaltation when it became apparent he was hurt and bleeding, quite another thing. So, I can't abide by that nonsense.

Its a brutal building to win in, definitely, and the result was damned good, indeed.

 

[Male75FromFinland]

i admit that you do have an interesting thought:post ratio. not that it's necessarily a positive...

Joel Armia is not a top 6 forward on this team. this really isn't up for debate. if you think he should take Wheeler, Ehlers, Connor (that's open for debate), Perreault or Laine's spots then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Right now Wheeler is center, so no he would not take his spot.

 

[tbcwpg]

So where those Finnish fans there for the Sharks or Laine?

 

[Male75FromFinland]

maybe it's because people are ignoring you and not the question you're asking?

Or maybe there is no such thing as "good buff" or "big foot"

 

[Male75FromFinland]

Roslovic is not producing (yet) points so he is not good player

 

[Maukkis]

how you can even attempt to lay any blame on Kulikov is beyond my understanding.
should he have turned around and faced the oncoming check?

He turned his back to Hertl at the last second. When you are only a foot or two away from the boards, it is literally asking for an injury to do that.

 

[puck stoppa]

also pleasantly surprised by the post-goal celebration. boy, the Jets seemed happy to have Little score that.
also curious if we've seen a Jets' dressing room look as close as this one has.

Boys must've loved seeing Litts fired up when he was chirping Joe. Man I would've loved to hear what they were Beaking each other over, refs should write books on what they hear over a career.

 

[Male75FromFinland]

He turned his back to Hertl at the last second. When you are only a foot or two away from the boards, it is literally asking for an injury to do that.

For years NHL have had this stupid rule that you are not responsible for anything along the boards with the puck if you just "kiss the boards" no one can touch you. You can turn your back and opponent will get penalty. This should be changed the way it was. I am not saying that you can run to the numbers, but if you see someone coming in NHL you need to expect to get hit.

 

[BigZ65]

I really think our pick a guy and follow him D zone system just doesn’t work for guys like Enstrom and Buff who have lost a step or two. They are constantly getting pulled up the boards, leaving a gaping hole in front of the net and in the middle of the ice generally. It’s way too easy to get open ice in front of Helle.

 

[BigZ65]

For years NHL have had this stupid rule that you are not responsible for anything along the boards with the puck if you just "kiss the boards" no one can touch you. You can turn your back and opponent will get penalty. This should be changed the way it was. I am not saying that you can run to the numbers, but if you see someone coming in NHL you need to expect to get hit.

That’s oversimplified. In that scenario last night Kulikov is using his body to protect the puck and turn it up the boards instead of behind the net. Sure he changed course after Hertl picked his spot but that’s his right, he has the puck. Hertl has to adjust. He has to play the puck.

So what you’re saying is that guys need to know that someone is coming from 15 feet away and can’t play the puck, just wait for the hit?

 

[Male75FromFinland]

I really think our pick a guy and follow him D zone system just doesn’t work for guys like Enstrom and Buff who have lost a step or two. They are constantly getting pulled up the boards, leaving a gaping hole in front of the net and in the middle of the ice generally. It’s way too easy to get open ice in front of Helle.

Minnesota is using this fact a lot to their advantage by getting Buff to chase and then skate out of slot. After that tight turn to slot and buff wont bother to get pack in play.

 

[grieves]

That’s oversimplified. In that scenario last night Kulikov is using his body to protect the puck and turn it up the boards instead of behind the net. Sure he changed course after Hertl picked his spot but that’s his right, he has the puck. Hertl has to adjust. He has to play the puck.

So what you’re saying is that guys need to know that someone is coming from 15 feet away and can’t play the puck, just wait for the hit?

That's a good point. It isn't the puck carrier's burden to make sure they are positioned correctly for the players without the puck. The guy with the puck decides what to do and defending players should adjust to that. Not "expect to get hit". Even though that is probably the smart move unless you want to lose your mouth-legos.

 

[Male75FromFinland]

That’s oversimplified. In that scenario last night Kulikov is using his body to protect the puck and turn it up the boards instead of behind the net. Sure he changed course after Hertl picked his spot but that’s his right, he has the puck. Hertl has to adjust. He has to play the puck.

So what you’re saying is that guys need to know that someone is coming from 15 feet away and can’t play the puck, just wait for the hit?

Maybe this Kulikov situation is not best example to my point, but there are players like Subban who know that no one will hit them if they just utilize their skating ability with turning and only giving numbers to hit.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

The 10:30 start was too late for me, early morning this morning. Great to wake up to the win. On the surface, it looks like Dell had a lot to do with our victory stopping only 18 of 23 shots.

Nice to see the guy that people love to hate for no reason, Little, with another huge contribution game. Seems like the norm lately. And Armia with 2 as well - way to go Joel.

The hit on Kuli was brutal. Any news on him? I guess the break will help give him some time to recover. We need him. Any news on suspension hearing?

Great to get the two points and our first OT win.

 

[Instincts]

Actually, he repeatedly got the puck up to his support who couldn't get it out of the zone. That shift was a disaster but far more on the wingers (all three) than on either of the defence.

The goal got scored literally under his nose. I remind you he is arguably the biggest and strongest guy in NHL if he starts to play the body (this goes for PK as well) Meier never gets the shot away, but after his paycheck season he is not dominant physical good Buff. But sure, you can blame a 19-teen yo a rookie and winger who plays center every time (three of them combined getting paid less then Big Buff). Easy

 

[puck stoppa]

The 10:30 start was too late for me, early morning this morning. Great to wake up to the win. On the surface, it looks like Dell had a lot to do with our victory stopping only 18 of 23 shots.

Nice to see the guy that people love to hate for no reason, Little, with another huge contribution game. Seems like the norm lately. And Armia with 2 as well - way to go Joel.

The hit on Kuli was brutal. Any news on him? I guess the break will help give him some time to recover. We need him. Any news on suspension hearing?

Great to get the two points and our first OT win.

My guess is he broke his nose pretty bad. Hoping no concussion.

 

[surixon]

I just remember watching him absolutely fly in the USHL and NCAA, didn't watch as much of him in the AHL. Then he decided to put on some muscle over the off season and he seems to be a little slower now. I remember the year Morrissey didn't make the team he trained hard in the off season to add more strength for the NHL and he still hasn't regained his speed that he had when I watched him in PA, Kelowna and at the WJC's. It's why I'm still skeptical of Laine putting on extra weight as it doesn't always lead to an increase in speed. Though Ehlers put on some extra muscle and he seems to be getting faster and faster so it may have something to do with putting the time in to regain that speed. The other guys may not be focusing on it as heavily. Then again Ehlers could always fly like the wind.

It also might be about relative speed as well. Easier to look very fast against junior players. I still think both Connor and Morrissey are elite skaters at the NHL level. JoMo has also had a couple of high ankle sprains which could have impacted his speed.

 

[Maukkis]

That’s oversimplified. In that scenario last night Kulikov is using his body to protect the puck and turn it up the boards instead of behind the net. Sure he changed course after Hertl picked his spot but that’s his right, he has the puck. Hertl has to adjust. He has to play the puck.

So what you’re saying is that guys need to know that someone is coming from 15 feet away and can’t play the puck, just wait for the hit?

One phrase: the responsibility of the one being hit. Hockey is a contact sport, and hitting is an integral part of it. In order to keep that aspect in the game while ensuring the safety of the players, everyone must

1) avoid throwing hits that threaten the health and safety of the other player, and
2) avoid putting themselves in a position in which their own well-being is in danger, should they be on the receiving end of a body check.

In this instance, Kulikov violated the second rule: Hertl had him lined up, but due to Kulikov turning at the last second (he did see Hertl coming, mind you), the situation turned into one in which both players suffered. What was supposedly going to be a legal hit on Kulikov became an illegal one, all due to his moronic play. It is debatable whether Hertl intentionally broke the first rule, but there is no question about Kulikov's wrongdoings.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Didn't stay up to watch the game, blowing a 3 goal lead ain't pretty but 2 points is 2 points.

Will be really nice to get Scheif and Lowry back, Wheeler is much more effective as a winger. I'd consider moving him even if only Lowry comes back.

 

[Deedog99]

Can't wait until the Jets add the biggest fish in the NHL before the deadline. Mr Mark Scheifele!

 

[grieves]

One phrase: the responsibility of the one being hit. Hockey is a contact sport, and hitting is an integral part of it. In order to keep that aspect in the game while ensuring the safety of the players, everyone must

1) avoid throwing hits that threaten the health and safety of the other player, and
2) avoid putting themselves in a position in which their own well-being is in danger, should they be on the receiving end of a body check.

In this instance, Kulikov violated the second rule: Hertl had him lined up, but due to Kulikov turning at the last second (he did see Hertl coming, mind you), the situation turned into one in which both players suffered. What was supposedly going to be a legal hit on Kulikov became an illegal one, all due to his moronic play. It is debatable whether Hertl intentionally broke the first rule, but there is no question about Kulikov's wrongdoings.

That's one way to look at it for sure.

On the other hand, Kulikov respected the actual rules of the game, and the other player didn't. The rule book is the same for everyone. If there is a "loophole", it is the same for everyone.

The move he made also benefited his own team the most - he drew a 5min major penalty and Hertl was thrown out of the game. Too bad Kuli lost half of his face too.

 

[HannuJ]

Or maybe there is no such thing as "good buff" or "big foot"

hey man, you're entitled to your opinion...but you're really, really far off.
you're welcome to continuously and frequently try to swipe at your perceived low hanging fruit. but you're not making much of an educated argument.
if you can kindly come back with some advance stats that show that Buff is not a good player, i'd love to read it.

 

[irunthepeg]

I'm 50/50 on that Hertl/Kulikov play. On one hand, Kulikov was extremely dumb just stopping and expecting not to get hit when he has possession of the puck but maybe in his head he was expecting Hertl to slowly come in and try strip him of the puck? Hertl's a good kid, I don't think he intended to injure. Bad result of a weird play.

 

[HannuJ]

He turned his back to Hertl at the last second. When you are only a foot or two away from the boards, it is literally asking for an injury to do that.

no he didn't.
he was mostly turned with his back to the play. at no point was he facing Hertl. and you make it sound like it was a split second decision. if it was, we'd see dozens of similar hits like this in each and every game. you lay off with hits like this or you...stop?
yesterday, Laine had a chance to devastate a Sharks' d-man early in the game. and he didn't. nor do i want players going around rattling brains and busting noses. it's a really gross part of the game.

i'm also guessing you'll blame a pedestrian for not facing a car when a car's gunning at them while they cross at a crosswalk?