Post-Game Talk: Buffed - Jets 5 Sharks 4 (OT)

[Guerzy]

I think it says a lot about how far this team has come when both Wheeler and Buff can have very off games, and the team can still put up 5 goals and win. Not to mention do this without Scheifs and Lowry in the lineup and down to 5 Dmen for the majority of the game. Wow.

This is what I love about this team and it's talent/depth. Wheeler, Buff and Laine can go pointless but Little, Ehlers, Perreault can carry the load. Next game it may be the opposite. And in between it all we can have a guy like Armia step up and score a couple. Connor can be off but that's ok because we'll move Roslo up and won't miss a beat. Or the entire team could all click on any given night and we blow some team out and score 7 goals.

Love this team, love the depth, talent, character, etc. I think we have a special group here. I'm thrilled with where we are at as a team and organization. And I fully believe this teams window to contend is open. I'm no longer just "content" getting into the playoffs and going out early or maybe winning a round. This team is good, we can go all the way. I'm excited.

 

[Jets 31]

Minnesota is using this fact a lot to their advantage by getting Buff to chase and then skate out of slot. After that tight turn to slot and buff wont bother to get pack in play.

What did Buff do to you that you actually hate the guy ? Is it because he isn't passing the puck enough to Laine or Armia ? Every player has bad games , every player , even Laine and Armia but i don't hate them when they do . To me Laine was awful last night but we won and THAT is all that matters . GO JETS GOOOO !!!

 

[Channelcat]

Same thing what he's doing with his stick. The stick doesn't really add anything to his game.

Thats hilarious....but is he seriously stupid? Looked he had headed off for a new one twice! Then all of a sudden here he is forechecking, without a stick. I dont get it.

 

[Maukkis]

no he didn't.
he was mostly turned with his back to the play. at no point was he facing Hertl. and you make it sound like it was a split second decision. if it was, we'd see dozens of similar hits like this in each and every game. you lay off with hits like this or you...stop?
yesterday, Laine had a chance to devastate a Sharks' d-man early in the game. and he didn't. nor do i want players going around rattling brains and busting noses. it's a really gross part of the game.

i'm also guessing you'll blame a pedestrian for not facing a car when a car's gunning at them while they cross at a crosswalk?

(wait for the second angle for a better view of Kulikov's move)

The second angle shows it all: Kulikov approaches the boards and takes a look at Hertl. Kulikov knows he's coming, yet he still decides to play the puck and turn his back to Hertl, who proceeds to flatten Kulikov. (besides, why do you say that he did not face Hertl at any point? You don't have to face the guy to turn your back to him and put yourself in a vulnerable position.)

Players should be able to assume that as long as they don't put themselves in danger, like Kuli did here, they won't get checked illegally. That goes for checking as well; as long as you avoid illegal checks, you should be able to hit every player on the ice. In my eyes, Kulikov showed horrific awareness by consciously turning away at the last second, knowing how Hertl was coming from behind. Call that gross all you want, but that one is on Kulikov, not Hertl.

 

[Howard Chuck]

This is what I love about this team and it's talent/depth. Wheeler, Buff and Laine can go pointless but Little, Ehlers, Perreault can carry the load. Next game it may be the opposite. And in between it all we can have a guy like Armia step up and score a couple. Connor can be off but that's ok because we'll move Roslo up and won't miss a beat. Or the entire team could all click on any given night and we blow some team out and score 7 goals.

Love this team, love the depth, talent, character, etc. I think we have a special group here. I'm thrilled with where we are at as a team and organization. And I fully believe this teams window to contend is open. I'm no longer just "content" getting into the playoffs and going out early or maybe winning a round. This team is good, we can go all the way. I'm excited.

I agree that our window is now open. As a frustrated fan for so many years, it's tough to let myself get my hopes up and say that out loud But they way we are playing, and how everyone is stepping up when we need them, I have raised my expectations to contender.

If we continue to play this way, and have Scheifele and Lowry back.....

 

[wpgallday1960]

Armia huge. Roslo did not look out of place on that first line.

Roslovic has some skills but has a lot to learn. Made a horrible turnover that led to Sharks 4th goal.

 

[Guerzy]

(wait for the second angle for a better view of Kulikov's move)

The second angle shows it all: Kulikov approaches the boards and takes a look at Hertl. Kulikov knows he's coming, yet he still decides to play the puck and turn his back to Hertl, who proceeds to flatten Kulikov. (besides, why do you say that he did not face Hertl at any point? You don't have to face the guy to turn your back to him and put yourself in a vulnerable position.)

Players should be able to assume that as long as they don't put themselves in danger, like Kuli did here, they won't get checked illegally. That goes for checking as well; as long as you avoid illegal checks, you should be able to hit every player on the ice. In my eyes, Kulikov showed horrific awareness by consciously turning away at the last second, knowing how Hertl was coming from behind. Call that gross all you want, but that one is on Kulikov, not Hertl.

I was thinking Hertl came in too hard and fast and could have let up, but you know what, I agree with you. That clip shows me Hertl coming in to finish his check. You see this time and time again through a game, difference being the position Kulikov put himself in. Kulikov should have put himself in a MUCH better position to absorb a hit/body contact than he did, he really did himself no service putting himself in such a vulnerable position to absorb any level of body contact and that is a no-no. Had Kulikov braced for the hit/contact like you're taught and stayed in the position he was in before looking and turning, this wouldn't even be a discussion and nobody gets hurt, I don't think. It was a routine play until that last second when Kulikov looked and turned. Could Hertl have let up? to be honest I am not even sure. He was committed to finishing his check, it's a fast game, Kulikov was in good position to absorb the hit, looked Hertl's way, then turned. To me this looks like a routine play that happens time and time again with no injury.

 

[Howard Chuck]

(wait for the second angle for a better view of Kulikov's move)

The second angle shows it all: Kulikov approaches the boards and takes a look at Hertl. Kulikov knows he's coming, yet he still decides to play the puck and turn his back to Hertl, who proceeds to flatten Kulikov. (besides, why do you say that he did not face Hertl at any point? You don't have to face the guy to turn your back to him and put yourself in a vulnerable position.)

Players should be able to assume that as long as they don't put themselves in danger, like Kuli did here, they won't get checked illegally. That goes for checking as well; as long as you avoid illegal checks, you should be able to hit every player on the ice. In my eyes, Kulikov showed horrific awareness by consciously turning away at the last second, knowing how Hertl was coming from behind. Call that gross all you want, but that one is on Kulikov, not Hertl.

Looking at the gif, I disagree. I don't think he looked at Hertl at all. He looked up the boards and then went to retrieve the puck. I don't know which of us is correct, but that's what I see.

 

[SensibleGuy]

(wait for the second angle for a better view of Kulikov's move)

The second angle shows it all: Kulikov approaches the boards and takes a look at Hertl. Kulikov knows he's coming, yet he still decides to play the puck and turn his back to Hertl, who proceeds to flatten Kulikov. (besides, why do you say that he did not face Hertl at any point? You don't have to face the guy to turn your back to him and put yourself in a vulnerable position.)

Players should be able to assume that as long as they don't put themselves in danger, like Kuli did here, they won't get checked illegally. That goes for checking as well; as long as you avoid illegal checks, you should be able to hit every player on the ice. In my eyes, Kulikov showed horrific awareness by consciously turning away at the last second, knowing how Hertl was coming from behind. Call that gross all you want, but that one is on Kulikov, not Hertl.

Sorry, I don't see it that way at all. I think it's true that Kuli glances and may see him coming (although I don't think that's a given even based on the second angle), but I think he completely assumed Hertl would pull up and not try to destroy him since he was facing the wall in time for him to do so.

 

[Channelcat]

Roslovic has some skills but has a lot to learn. Made a horrible turnover that led to Sharks 4th goal.

Yup, for sure. Although I think he looks better than Connor did in his first few NHL games. I'm still hoping he's developed into a C here eventually.

 

[SLAYER]

And if that isn't getting your cherries to get tingly, think of a White Out in April. Oh lawd. I declare I have the vapors.

 

[Flair Hay]

I'm with Male75 on most of the Buff stuff but I've learned I act more responsibly if I don't discuss it much any more lol. I didn't have more of a problem with him last night than most nights. With the exception of the penalty but he righted that wrong.

Nice road win for sure. When a team like us gets up 3-0 on a team like them chances are they are coming back. No one keeps the pedal to the metal with a lead all 60 mins it's just not human nature.

Well looks to be earning himself a nice contractthis summer.

Hilarious watching Little braking Jumbo Joe. Wouldn't want to do that in playoffs though. He's one of those bears you don't want to poke because he plays half as good when he's not mad.

 

[TannedBum]

That's all on Kuli. There's no way Kuli didn't see Hertl-train incoming. That wasn't the first stupid thing Kuli has done lately.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Kuli looks twice - once at Hertl, then the second time for an outlet player along the boards. I think both are a bit to blame for the RESULTS of that hit, but at the end of the day, it resulted in a 5m major and a 10m misconduct to Hertl.

Hope Kuli's OK.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Roslovic has some skills but has a lot to learn. Made a horrible turnover that led to Sharks 4th goal.

Ya, I hate to be that guy, but he made that turnover, and at least one other. He's a rookie, and he's going to make mistakes, but I'm not seeing why Connor gets bumped to the 4th line and Roslovic gets to serve up freebies. The first line wasn't clicking so I get the desire to alter it. Meh, we won, it's all good.

 

[wpgallday1960]

Kuli looks twice - once at Hertl, then the second time for an outlet player along the boards. I think both are a bit to blame for the RESULTS of that hit, but at the end of the day, it resulted in a 5m major and a 10m misconduct to Hertl.

Hope Kuli's OK.

Hertl didn't slow down at all. At bare minimum that's charging.

 

[Male75FromFinland]

I am just sooooooooooooo worried about the fact that Jets are not going anywhere in playoffs if buff is playing like he has played whole season. Last night his presence did result many goals against, game before that Hellebyuck saved the day with amazing game. Buff was giving opponent chances left and right that game also. Edmonton Oilers did trade chances in 80s and won, those days are over.

Where could this team go with Super tight defense and Hellebyuck who can win games by himself. Where could this team go with Josh Morrissey as quarterback on power play with Laine on the wing.

Lets get Gudbransson at trade deadline and put buff to a role he deserves, as buy out player.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Sorry, I don't see it that way at all. I think it's true that Kuli glances and may see him coming (although I don't think that's a given even based on the second angle), but I think he completely assumed Hertl would pull up and not try to destroy him since he was facing the wall in time for him to do so.

I agree.

Defensemen make this kind of turn towards the boards and play it the other way almost every game. The difference is that most of the time the forward on the forecheck is not coming in looking only to hit the defensemen with complete disregard for the puck. That is a risk Hertl takes when he commits to that hit.

To me it looks like Kuli looks up the boards, sees his outlet is covered and goes to turn and play the puck the other way. There is nothing illegal or wrong with doing that. He should have the right to do that without expecting to be run through the boards from behind. I understand that it puts him in a dangerous situation but that does not absolve Hertl from any blame.

 

[BoneDocUK]

He certainly isn't fore checking as effectively or winning as many battles as before.
Injuries tend to have a big impact on that type of play.

IDK about his speed but he was forechecking like a demon in the Canucks game. It may just be a rookie trying to play safer after that giveaway and penalty on Monday.

 

[Roughneck1]

(wait for the second angle for a better view of Kulikov's move)

The second angle shows it all: Kulikov approaches the boards and takes a look at Hertl. Kulikov knows he's coming, yet he still decides to play the puck and turn his back to Hertl, who proceeds to flatten Kulikov. (besides, why do you say that he did not face Hertl at any point? You don't have to face the guy to turn your back to him and put yourself in a vulnerable position.)

Players should be able to assume that as long as they don't put themselves in danger, like Kuli did here, they won't get checked illegally. That goes for checking as well; as long as you avoid illegal checks, you should be able to hit every player on the ice. In my eyes, Kulikov showed horrific awareness by consciously turning away at the last second, knowing how Hertl was coming from behind. Call that gross all you want, but that one is on Kulikov, not Hertl.

I have to agree with you on this one. I blame Kulikov for turning his back at the last second. He saw him coming and should have braced himself and taken it shoulder to shoulder.

Can’t beleive nobody is giving Myers more credit thought he had a heck of a game. Offensively he was excellent and broke plays up all over the ice with his reach. He did have trouble with a few defensive reads and breakouts. Overall I thought he was our best dman.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I agree.

Defensemen make this kind of turn towards the boards and play it the other way almost every game. The difference is that most of the time the forward on the forecheck is not coming in looking only to hit the defensemen with complete disregard for the puck. That is a risk Hertl takes when he commits to that hit.

To me it looks like Kuli looks up the boards, sees his outlet is covered and goes to turn and play the puck the other way. There is nothing illegal or wrong with doing that. He should have the right to do that without expecting to be run through the boards from behind. I understand that it puts him in a dangerous situation but that does not absolve Hertl from any blame.

I agree. That's exactly what happened. Feel like this should be posted on the main boards as an antidote to all the "keep yer heads up, kid" trolls.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

It is such a bang bang play at full speed. I hate to see players turn there backs like that but having played defense he has two options there. Bail out and give up the puck or not to turn. In the old days that wouldn't be a penalty but with the onus on player safety and checking a player who is in vulnerable position I think that a major was the right call on the play. All Hertl has to do is slow up on the play and nothing happens.

 

[HPsauce]

Agree with all except the last line, Dano played well, not at all, he turned the puck over a couple times in the first two periods, thought he was weak on the wall and almost cost us in the third, really don’t get what he brings, he’s not fast or overly physical or even really skilled.

I thought there was a lot of plays when Dano was trying to cover up for Roslovic after he would miss his guy. You might be right here and I just didn't catch it.

I do recall when his line got hemmed into their zone, it was Dano that eventually came up with a good play to get the puck out.

I didn't see much from Roslovic to think he should have gotten the promotion to the Wheeler line.

I do think Lemieux will play tomorrow, maybe even in place of Dano or KC

 

[Garbox]

Don't know what Hertl was penalised for, but I could understand charging and a major because of the injury. But Kulikov really didn't leave any time for Hertl to retreat from his hit. There's maybe half a second between Kuli starting to turn and the impact. And this is not a game where you slow down just in case to avoid hitting. It's another game, floorball (and I'm not dissing that game, it's actually my sport). Hopefully Kuli isn't hurt badly.

Glad to see Joel on fire. First one was lucky, but the second one was what was his bread and butter back in FEL.
Saw only the highlights again, but kinda knew that Laine didn't have his strongest game of the year, 'cause it took a while for him to show up im those highlights

 

[nobody important]

i'm also guessing you'll blame a pedestrian for not facing a car when a car's gunning at them while they cross at a crosswalk?

Well, if they faced the car then they could do this, so they really do have to shoulder some of the blame.