Proposal: Buffalo - Calgary Prospect Swap

[SnoopDogg]

Is this a joke? One of the worst proposals I've seen in a while.

 

[Lunatik]

I watched him, and he is abysmal defensively.

I feel sorry for Flames fans having to read OKG spew his constant overrating of players.

Stop quoting him and we won't have to read him either.

Also "abysmal" is not an accurate description of Kylington's defensive play since playing in the AHL. He's average, makes some poor decisions but uses his elite skating ability to get himself out of trouble more often than not. Kylington is being overhyped by some in here for sure, but you are just as wrong as them.

 

[Lunatik]

Is this a joke? One of the worst proposals I've seen in a while.

This same poster thinks Monahan is a 3C, made up something called winger goals, says Jankowski can replace Monahan now..... etc and now he/she thinks Kylington for Nylander is a fair trade. It's really par for the course.

 

[BWDude]

Wow, that is awful, in what world is Kylington suddenly worth Alex Nylander at this point? Not this one for sure.

Tell you what, we'll one up this one and offer Andrew Nielsen (12 points in 18g in AHL, his first pro season) and even add a 3rd for Willy's brother.

 

[LordNeverLose]

I think Kylington for Asplund + something small is closer to fair

 

[Skobel24]

I think Kylington for Asplund + something small is closer to fair

No idea what kind of player Asplund is like, but I'd pass. Flames don't need forwards. Kylington/Andersson are too important to the Flames depth for defense.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I think Kylington for Asplund + something small is closer to fair

I think that based on the OP, Guhle for Tkachuk sounds about right.

Sorry Flames fans, no offense, but the OP is just too fun to resist.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

No idea what kind of player Asplund is like, but I'd pass. Flames don't need forwards. Kylington/Andersson are too important to the Flames depth for defense.

He's a 3C prototype. We were pretty happy with the Pysyk/Kulikov trade that bumped us up to take Asplund, but like you said, probably not the player you need these days.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

I expected to start seeing people coming after prospects in trades, the Sabres have 4-5 who are having excellent seasons. I'd rate this trade more like Karabacek than Pu.

 

[Ace]

If Buffalo had liked Kylington they would have taken him instead of a different D (Guhle) when they picked a few picks before Kylington went.

The idea of trading away Nylander for him...

 

[Kritty]

What do you think this is?

I was just wondering the exact same thing. What on earth was the point of this and what does it even mean? If you can't figure out what my post was about then you don't have anything valuable to contribute about the topic.

Well if you want to mention production...

Kylington's 1st season in Stockton he ended with 12 pts in 47 games, this season he has 8 pts in 16 games.

This is Nylander's 1st season in the AHL, and he's got 13 pts in 20 games.

Sure, Nylander plays FW but Kylington is an offensive Dman, but regardless Nylander has out-produced Kylington's 1st season in the minors after only 20 games.

If you want to revert back to draft status or pedigree, it's still not close. Kylington was NEVER discussed as highly as Nylander was.

You are completely contradicting yourself. You openly admit that Nylander should produce more but I'll indulge anyway. Would you rather have a .6 PPG offensive forward or a .5 PPG two way dman? For me that's an easy one. Sorry but Kylington is not an offensive dman. Wherever you got that from is false. His game is two way with offensive abilities which is exactly what he is showing. Of course Nylander is going to outproduce Kylington, he should. If you really want to get into that argument I can talk to you about how Andrew Mangiapane has outproduced the godly Alex Nylander and he was a 5th round pick, what's the point?

I have a hard time putting any stock in what you post when you talk about Kylington never being discussed as highly as Nylander because that is so wrong. In fact Kylington was probably talked about more highly than Nylander up until about the last few months of the season. He was viewed as a top 10 that could go top 5 so not too sure where you are getting that from.

 

[HiddenInLight]

I would certainly be interested in trading for Kylington, just not for Nylander. Now if you wanted to offer up Dougie Hamilton for Nylander I'd say that's a pretty good starting point.

 

[SaintMorose]

Nylander hasn't done anything to lower his value from the top 10 pick status, still looks like a top 6 scorer that could give Eichel/RoR/Reinhart a legitimate RHS winger.
Kylington while (imho) he should have been a 1st round pick isn't at that same level of value, and Buffalo would need to get far more from Calgary to even consider.

 

[Lunatik]

I would certainly be interested in trading for Kylington, just not for Nylander. Now if you wanted to offer up Dougie Hamilton for Nylander I'd say that's a pretty good starting point.

Starting point? On absolutely no planet is Nylander worth Hamilton. IF we talk Hamilton, you would need to talk Risto, and no, I am not even remotely joking.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

I would certainly be interested in trading for Kylington, just not for Nylander. Now if you wanted to offer up Dougie Hamilton for Nylander I'd say that's a pretty good starting point.

How is a top two d a starting point for a prospect projected as a first/second line scorer?

 

[belair]

You know those threads that Bobby Mac says he comes on here just to laugh about? This is one of them.

 

[HiddenInLight]

How is a top two d a starting point for a prospect projected as a first/second line scorer?

I never said buffalo wouldn't need to add in a serious way but a top 10 draft pick who is looking good already in the ahl is certainly a nice carrot to dangle in a deal for a guy like Hamilton. He's not likely to get you guys a superstar player but I could see you getting an excellent package for him including a great prospect, a high pick and a roster player.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

I never said buffalo wouldn't need to add in a serious way but a top 10 draft pick who is looking good already in the ahl is certainly a nice carrot to dangle in a deal for a guy like Hamilton. He's not likely to get you guys a superstar player but I could see you getting an excellent package for him including a great prospect, a high pick and a roster player.

But that package does nothing at all for a team that desperately wants to make the playoffs. Trading a player who is trying to carry us to the playoffs for a maybe like Nylander is as bad as the original proposal, of us trading from a weakness for a relative strength.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

You are completely contradicting yourself. You openly admit that Nylander should produce more but I'll indulge anyway. Would you rather have a .6 PPG offensive forward or a .5 PPG two way dman? For me that's an easy one. Sorry but Kylington is not an offensive dman. Wherever you got that from is false. His game is two way with offensive abilities which is exactly what he is showing. Of course Nylander is going to outproduce Kylington, he should. If you really want to get into that argument I can talk to you about how Andrew Mangiapane has outproduced the godly Alex Nylander and he was a 5th round pick, what's the point?

I have a hard time putting any stock in what you post when you talk about Kylington never being discussed as highly as Nylander because that is so wrong. In fact Kylington was probably talked about more highly than Nylander up until about the last few months of the season. He was viewed as a top 10 that could go top 5 so not too sure where you are getting that from.

You fail to understand or acknowledge that Kylington is one whole year ahead of Nylander in his development. You compare .6 to .5, when in fact you should be comparing .6 to .25 (Kylington's PPG his first year in Stockton). And yeah, I think of Kylington as a offensive Dman because he isn't a defensive Dman. Maybe he's starting to get his D game right, whatever. It doesn't matter to me because the premise of this thread is ridiculous, and you chipped in with more silly.

 

[Haatley]

You fail to understand or acknowledge that Kylington is one whole year ahead of Nylander in his development. You compare .6 to .5, when in fact you should be comparing .6 to .25 (Kylington's PPG his first year in Stockton). And yeah, I think of Kylington as a offensive Dman because he isn't a defensive Dman. Maybe he's starting to get his D game right, whatever. It doesn't matter to me because the premise of this thread is ridiculous, and you chipped in with more silly.

You shouldn't be comparing their offensive output anyway. It's a terrible argument.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I never said buffalo wouldn't need to add in a serious way but a top 10 draft pick who is looking good already in the ahl is certainly a nice carrot to dangle in a deal for a guy like Hamilton. He's not likely to get you guys a superstar player but I could see you getting an excellent package for him including a great prospect, a high pick and a roster player.

If you offered Psyky (I don't know how to spell his name), and the 8th overall last year along with a decent LHD prospect for Hamilton, I would have said yes.

 

[HiddenInLight]

But that package does nothing at all for a team that desperately wants to make the playoffs. Trading a player who is trying to carry us to the playoffs for a maybe like Nylander is as bad as the original proposal, of us trading from a weakness for a relative strength.

The same could be said for the sabres. Maybe it's a case of bad trading partners. In any trade the Sabres would be looking to improve their roster. That being said I think if a hamilton trade were going to happen it'd be right near the expansion draft, after the season is over. With the expansion draft looming I think we may see a few trades for protected assets.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

If you offered Psyky (I don't know how to spell his name), and the 8th overall last year along with a decent LHD prospect for Hamilton, I would have said yes.

Maybe then, definitely not now.

 

[Weltschmerz]

If you offered Psyky (I don't know how to spell his name), and the 8th overall last year along with a decent LHD prospect for Hamilton, I would have said yes.

What has he done last season to up his value from 15th overall to 8th overall plus a roster player who got a top 4 defenseman straight up and another prospect?

 

[AINEC*]

This same poster thinks Monahan is a 3C, made up something called winger goals, says Jankowski can replace Monahan now..... etc and now he/she thinks Kylington for Nylander is a fair trade. It's really par for the course.

This thread makes me happy, knowing all of our fanbases have at least a few of those people.