Proposal: Buffalo - Calgary Prospect Swap

Figgy44

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Is this a joke? Nylander is FAR more valuable than Kylington. He's top 5 pick in many drafts.

No disagreements from quite a few of us Flames fans TBH. Kylington may be undervalued by many other fans and worth more than a late 2nd where we drafted him, but he's not worth Nylander.

It seems not many people in this thread have actually watched a 2016-17 Stockton Heat game. Kylington is by far the more valuable piece going forward, that will become clear during the WJC where both players will play together. The only reason I would be willing to trade him is because Nylander fits a need better.

His stock is up, but he still isn't worth a top 10 or higher pick, which is what A. Nylander is.

I'm not so sure about that. I think people underrate what Kylington has looked like in his time in the AHL. Nothing against Nylander but those kinds of pieces can be found, quality dmen aren't as easy to come by. Especially ones with the skating ability like Kylington has.

Sure. I don't disagree with the bolded, but the latter part would be a hilariously bad reason to believe we can get A Nylander for Kylington. Kylington is still not proven enough to be worth around a top 10 pick.

I will say that I have watched Kylington in the AHL and he seems to be substantially better than 60th overall in the 2015 draft would lead you to believe, with his talent and skating it seems like he should of been taken in the middle-ish portion of the 1st round. Though assuming Buffalo would trade Nylander taken 8th overall in the most recent draft a few months ago for him, seems entirely outlandish.

You are better with words than I am. Agreed completely.
 
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Gaudreau for Huberdeau? Dougie Hamilton? Nugent-Hopkins? Anyone in the 2011 draft with the exception of a few? Had someone in 2012 suggested that kind of deal or season or two removed from a draft it would get the same reaction as your post will ilicit.

This is exactly why prospect proposals are pointless on here. Everyone thinks their own prospects are the greatest and have no clue about other teams. On top of that, they have proven ZERO at the NHL level so Andrew Mangiapane is just a good a prospect as Clayton Keller. In fact, he is producing at the AHL level so i'll take him at this point.

Well if you want to mention production...

Kylington's 1st season in Stockton he ended with 12 pts in 47 games, this season he has 8 pts in 16 games.

This is Nylander's 1st season in the AHL, and he's got 13 pts in 20 games.

Sure, Nylander plays FW but Kylington is an offensive Dman, but regardless Nylander has out-produced Kylington's 1st season in the minors after only 20 games.

If you want to revert back to draft status or pedigree, it's still not close. Kylington was NEVER discussed as highly as Nylander was.
 
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Tkachuk Norris

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No disagreements from quite a few of us Flames fans TBH. Kylington may be undervalued by many other fans and worth more than a late 2nd where we drafted him, but he's not worth Nylander.



His stock is up, but he still isn't worth a top 10 or higher pick, which is what A. Nylander is.



Sure. I don't disagree with the bolded, but the latter part would be a hilariously bad reason to believe we can get A Nylander for Kylington. Kylington is still not proven enough to be worth around a top 10 pick.

Pretty much this. Great pick. Probably around ~25th best talent in that draft so far, not as good as Nylander. Pretty simple.
 

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It seems not many people in this thread have actually watched a 2016-17 Stockton Heat game. Kylington is by far the more valuable piece going forward, that will become clear during the WJC where both players will play together. The only reason I would be willing to trade him is because Nylander fits a need better.

I am sure everyone makes a point to watch the Stockton Heat play.
 

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I really don't want to get involved...but...

you honestly think your late second round pick who has developed well is worth a top 10 pick only a year later? Nylander has more points in 20 games then Kylington did in his entire rookie season and he had already played two seasons of pro prior (he's an offensive Dman).
 

1972

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Flames fans should really be looking at it like this...

Would you rather have Tkachuk or Kylington?
 

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Flames fans should really be looking at it like this...

Would you rather have Tkachuk or Kylington?

That implies anyone sensible would rather have Nylander than Tkachuk, which is false and was dating back to draft night. I have Tkachuk, Jankowski, and Kylington clumped together as the same tier of prospect though, and that is consistent with my posts from before this season started:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=121116759&postcount=19

Except that was then and this is now. Kylington is even better than he was last year.
 
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That implies anyone sensible would rather have Nylander than Tkachuk, which is false and was dating back to draft night. I have Tkachuk, Jankowski, and Kylington clumped together as the same tier of prospect though, and that is consistent with my posts from before this season started:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2111325

Except that was then and this is now. Kylington is even better than he was last year.

You have Jankowski and Kylington on the same tier as a Tkachuk? Yikes.


Kylington doesn't get you Nylander
 

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I'd place Kylintons value at about 15-25th pick, maybe a team that has no offensive dmen in the A and would like a guy like him on the team would give up a 10-15th pick and do like what Edmonton did for Larsson,but he's not worth a top 10 pick IMO, and this is coming from a Flames fan, who thought when he dropped so much, that he became a steal for us, I'd do Kylinton + 3rd/2nd for A. Nyl + 4th(if it's the 2nd on Calgarys add)
 

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You have Jankowski and Kylington on the same tier as a Tkachuk? Yikes.


Kylington doesn't get you Nylander

He thinks Jankowski is better than Monahan... And yeah he called Tkachuk a complimentary player and Kylington and Jankowski are core pieces. Soooo...
 

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I'd place Kylintons value at about 15-25th pick, maybe a team that has no offensive dmen in the A and would like a guy like him on the team would give up a 10-15th pick and do like what Edmonton did for Larsson,but he's not worth a top 10 pick IMO, and this is coming from a Flames fan, who thought when he dropped so much, that he became a steal for us, I'd do Kylinton + 3rd/2nd for A. Nyl + 4th(if it's the 2nd on Calgarys add)

And I know and understand that Buffalo wouldn't do this, because quality for quantity rarely makes sense for the team that's giving up quality. Flames fans should understand this after those countless Hamilton offers, it's more or less the same situation.
 

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That implies anyone sensible would rather have Nylander than Tkachuk, which is false and was dating back to draft night. I have Tkachuk, Jankowski, and Kylington clumped together as the same tier of prospect though, and that is consistent with my posts from before this season started:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=121116759&postcount=19

Except that was then and this is now. Kylington is even better than he was last year.

you're certainly entitled to have an opinion.
 

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And I know and understand that Buffalo wouldn't do this, because quality for quantity rarely makes sense for the team that's giving up quality. Flames fans should understand this after those countless Hamilton offers, it's more or less the same situation.


Well really it's either 2 decent pieces for 1 better piece with a not so good piece, or a decent piece with a good piece for a better piece, but it's only 2 for 2 or 2 for 1, not really quantity, if it was more like 3 for 1, then I wouldn't argue, but if you think about it, offensive dmen are as hard to come by as starting goalies, Scoring wingers are easier to come by, so don't forget to add this into the equation, cause I'm sure GM's think about it all the time
 

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Well really it's either 2 decent pieces for 1 better piece with a not so good piece, or a decent piece with a good piece for a better piece, but it's only 2 for 2 or 2 for 1, not really quantity, if it was more like 3 for 1, then I wouldn't argue, but if you think about it, offensive dmen are as hard to come by as starting goalies, Scoring wingers are easier to come by, so don't forget to add this into the equation, cause I'm sure GM's think about it all the time

Quality for quantity was maybe a bit too much, but still the same principle. I don't see why Buffalo would downgrade for a 2nd or 3rd.

How many good Flames prospects would you be willing to trade for a lesser prospect and a 3rd?
 

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Pretty much this.

While I do think Kylington is underrated, he is nowhere near the value of Alex Nylander. I would do this trade 10 times out of 10.

Calgary's end, Murray doesn't even get his last word out and Treliving is already sending over the documents signed, sealed and approved :laugh:

Oliver is an excellent prospect, he's a good young defenseman that if prepared properly will end up a solid NHL'er. I personally love Rasmus a bit more, but both those two picks Calgary made at that 2015 draft were great finds and solid potential development picks.

As for the OP, if he could scale down how he presents his thoughts; 100% of the board would take him more seriously. Right now on the Flames board you can't even go a few pages without someone using the term 'winger goal' in a mocking sense. Guy has some good thoughts, gets clouded with some blatant homerism and sweeping opinions used as fact; reminds me of me when I was like 18-22 :laugh:
 

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Kylington is probably around the same level as Brendan Guhle...late second round pick in 2015 that has developed well.

Nylander? Hell no.

Credibility lost.
 
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The OP needs a serious reality check. You are not trading a late 2nd nhl unproven, drafted a year earlier for a top 10 pick.

Sure on a vacuum buffalo has a lot more forward prospect depth than Dman depth. I could see them trading Bailey/Baptiste for an equivalent Dman.
 

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As for the OP, if he could scale down how he presents his thoughts; 100% of the board would take him more seriously. Right now on the Flames board you can't even go a few pages without someone using the term 'winger goal' in a mocking sense. Guy has some good thoughts, gets clouded with some blatant homerism and sweeping opinions used as fact; reminds me of me when I was like 18-22 :laugh:

I'm not gonna lie and present "level-headed-sounding-but-actually-inaccurate" thoughts to fit in and be taken more seriously. My integrity is more important than whether people on a message board agree with a fake version of me. It's only about 45 days before World Juniors wrap up and everyone mocking my opinion on Kylington is eating crow.
 
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I'm not gonna lie and present "level-headed-sounding-but-actually-inaccurate" thoughts to fit in and be taken more seriously. My integrity is more important than whether people on a message board agree with a fake version of me. It's only about 45 days before World Juniors wrap up and everyone mocking my opinion on Kylington is eating crow.

If they actually take him this time. Weren't both he and Andersson not picked last year?
 

OvermanKingGainer

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If they actually take him this time. Wasn't both he and Andersson not picked last year?

Sweden does have a bit of a history of preferring players playing in Sweden over players playing in North America, but they would have to be pretty dumb not to bring a guy who's basically gonna be their all-situations #1D.
 

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