Confirmed with Link: [BUF/VGK] Jack Eichel & 3rd-2023(BUF) FOR Peyton Krebs, Alex Tuch, 1st-2022(VGK) & 2nd-2023(VGK)

[elchud]

What on Earth are you talking about?? This has been the story since May or whenever.

No. Eichel hasn't talked specifically about it. That element which sells on sports programming was missing.

The face of the franchise sound byting and perhaps going nuclear and getting emotional. We talk about this hours a day. The interview could have been one of the top stories of the day in sports. Instead the trade was.

 

[brian_griffin]

The personal video from him was almost certainly scripted by someone else, recorded by him, then interlaced by a PR firm with the video segments, etc., Who knows when it was recorded. Could have been months ago, could have been after the trade was transacted.

It has all the emotion/sincerity of some gamer being told their grandmother died and responding with "not now, I just got to the next level" while staring at their screen.

That said, I have every reason to believe it was recorded yesterday and is sincere. It's just uninspiring.

 

[Paxon]

No. Eichel hasn't talked specifically about it. That element which sells on sports programming was missing.

I really don't follow. It was established that Eichel wanted ADR and that the Sabres didn't want to let him get it. It was reported why he wanted ADR. What new information are you saying would've come out?

 

[TheMistyStranger]

The personal video from him was almost certainly scripted by someone else, recorded by him, then interlaced by a PR firm with the video segments, etc., Who knows when it was recorded. Could have been months ago, could have been after the trade was transacted.

It has all the emotion/sincerity of some gamer being told their grandmother died and responding with "not now, I just got to the next level" while staring at their screen.

That said, I have every reason to believe it was recorded yesterday and is sincere. It's just uninspiring.

You don't think he has a bright future as an NHL on TNT analyst?

 

[brian_griffin]

You don't think he has a bright future as an NHL on TNT analyst?

He's no "round mound of rebound" Charles Barkley...

 

[elchud]

I really don't follow. It was established that Eichel wanted ADR and that the Sabres didn't want to let him get it. It was reported why he wanted ADR. What new information are you saying would've come out?

The PR of Eichel saying those words and how he delivered his message and a personal appeal for the life altering operation of his choice.

I'm differentiating this *superficially*. I know we all already knew this stuff. My point was bad PR for the Pegulas from people who aren't tracking hockey messages boards or arent huge hockey fans immersed in this. Eichel's face being in the top 5 minutes of sports show stuff.

Are the Pegulas more concerned with HFBoards posts or Eichel speaking directly about his situation and bashing the organization?

 

[UnleashRasmus]

The PR of Eichel saying those words and how he delivered his message and a personal appeal for the life altering operation of his choice.

I'm differentiating this *superficially*. I know we all already knew this stuff. My point was bad PR for the Pegulas from people who aren't tracking hockey messages boards or arent huge hockey fans immersed in this. Eichel's face being in the top 5 minutes of sports show stuff.

Are the Pegulas more concerned with HFBoards posts or Eichel speaking directly about his situation and bashing the organization?

This is again, a really well thought out idea on the temper and tone of the changes to Eichel's trade over the course of the last week to 10 days. A grievance, the possibility of his utter contempt and displeasure over the way they are handling his medical care and liability involved in upper hand use of the CBA to do the right thing for a player. Whether he asked for a trade or not, and the feelings involved in giving a player life changing money, is still rather frill to not allow him to get surgery for pain that he's dealing with every minute. I can understand investing 80 million dollars in a franchise player, who you drafted, and gave the keys to the kingdom of sorts, and the idea that he could be this generation's Gilbert Perreault meant a lot to Terry and Kim. But, always try to look at it from an objective view and see that the fans are pissed and they hold the future to your tenure in a market. If you're not selling well, and the fans stop showing up....you lose. So while "feelings" are involved, and I get it, but you need to do right by the market and the fan base. This did have to end, for sure. However....come on!

 

[Paxon]

The PR of Eichel saying those words and how he delivered his message and a personal appeal for the life altering operation of his choice.

I'm differentiating this *superficially*. I know we all already knew this stuff. My point was bad PR for the Pegulas from people who aren't tracking hockey messages boards or arent huge hockey fans immersed in this. Eichel's face being in the top 5 minutes of sports show stuff.

Are the Pegulas more concerned with HFBoards posts or Eichel speaking directly about his situation and bashing the organization?

If they were so concerned with this they would have just let him have his surgery or have traded him earlier. He could have went off in an interview at any point the past half a year. His previous agent released that salty statement way early in the process which did jack shit to force Buffalo's hand. If there was indeed 'external pressure' to get this done, it seems way more likely to have come from the league pleading than Eichel having an interview scheduled.

 

[5 Minute Major]

If you listen to the 32 thoughts, the word is out that they wouldn't let Eichel get the surgery that he thought was best for him as a player and for him post-hockey.

Peguals are PR wary. Bad enough that star players may want to steer clear (as if they wanted another reason) but to not respect a person's choice in a seriously consequential surgery could have been a huge story.

I know there are two sides of this and you mostly get one side in the podcast. Eichels side is putting out in was business and the Pegulas took it personal. The flip is the Pegulas followed their doctors and that is business but Eichel took that personal.

Yet another chapter in bad break ups (Hasek LaFontaine Nolan Drury/Briere OReilly Rigas Kotalik) just kidding Ales.

You are totally SPECULATING about the Peula's with ZERO evidence to support your SPECULATION.

How come?

 

[elchud]

You are totally SPECULATING about the Peula's with ZERO evidence to support your SPECULATION.

How come?

Because businesses hate bad PR

 

[elchud]

If they were so concerned with this they would have just let him have his surgery or have traded him earlier. He could have went off in an interview at any point the past half a year. His previous agent released that salty statement way early in the process which did jack shit to force Buffalo's hand. If there was indeed 'external pressure' to get this done, it seems way more likely to have come from the league pleading than Eichel having an interview scheduled.

How do businesses get into these situations. How many times a day are things not defused earlier which could have saved monmental headaches later.

I'm sorry/not sorry if I'm going against narratives here. Sure I'm speculating there was concern about Eichel having an interview where he wpild made an emotional appeal and bad mouth the organization. I am OK if other people disagree

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

This is again, a really well thought out idea on the temper and tone of the changes to Eichel's trade over the course of the last week to 10 days. A grievance, the possibility of his utter contempt and displeasure over the way they are handling his medical care and liability involved in upper hand use of the CBA to do the right thing for a player. Whether he asked for a trade or not, and the feelings involved in giving a player life changing money, is still rather frill to not allow him to get surgery for pain that he's dealing with every minute. I can understand investing 80 million dollars in a franchise player, who you drafted, and gave the keys to the kingdom of sorts, and the idea that he could be this generation's Gilbert Perreault meant a lot to Terry and Kim. But, always try to look at it from an objective view and see that the fans are pissed and they hold the future to your tenure in a market. If you're not selling well, and the fans stop showing up....you lose. So while "feelings" are involved, and I get it, but you need to do right by the market and the fan base. This did have to end, for sure. However....come on!

Alternative view - their nationally known spine specialist thinks ADR could be potentially catastrophic if the artificial disk slips leaving eichel paralyzed for life. That is a potential catastrophic outcome - something no one is taking about while railing on the Sabres medical opinion. Just saying it’s not all about not letting eichel get the surgery he wants - maybe it is more risky than people want to believe. I guess we’ll “ find out” and hope for eichel s sake hope we find out he stays ok. This is a big mistake people make when they talk about medicine, it’s not about one moment in time getting the surgery and being done with it… It’s a shifting thing overtime and his risk is not just at the time of surgery but every single time he gets hit going forward. We don’t know how that things going to hold up

just saying it’s very “ eichel tilted” narrative out there from the Friedman types and if you shift the Perspective just a little bit to see a national renowned spine doctor telling a team that their player could end up paralyzed, it kind of makes the Sabres are “ depriving” eichel of his choice a very different story. If I was Adam and my doctor told me that one bad hit could make him seriously injured for the rest of his life… I think I would probably listen to that opinion and that doesn’t make me malicious or “ intentionally leaving someone in pain”. I mean This is a spinal cord issue were dealing with not a shoulder where are you might have chronic pain - the bad outcome is paralysis not chronic pain!

It sounds like other teams did too which is why they didn’t even try to bid on the trade.

 

[5 Minute Major]

Because businesses hate bad PR

You didn't answer. You are doing nothing more than wildly speculating. You have zero evidence to back up your claims.

 

[elchud]

You didn't answer. You are doing nothing more than wildly speculating. You have zero evidence to back up your claims.

I think PSE would not like Eichel badmouthing the organization.

We are done. Wildly speculating LOL OK guy

 

[Old Navy Goat]

How do businesses get into these situations. How many times a day are things not defused earlier which could have saved monmental headaches later.

I'm sorry/not sorry if I'm going against narratives here. Sure I'm speculating there was concern about Eichel having an interview where he wpild made an emotional appeal and bad mouth the organization. I am OK if other people disagree

So what if he bad mouthed the organization, would it have turned away any more fans? Would it blackball them with future FA that they have problems signing?

The fanbase is polarized in the screw him or damn the Pegulad so they were in a lose-lose situation unless they secured a coup in the trade. This is a blip on the radar, if the team starts winning they look good, if not well they're already pretty much rock bottom

 

[elchud]

I never said this is about Eichel being the victim or him being in the right. I made an attempt to be nuanced and sympathetic to both sides of tbis

 

[elchud]

So what if he bad mouthed the organization, would it have turned away any more fans? Would it blackball them with future FA that they have problems signing?

The fanbase is polarized in the screw him or damn the Pegulad so they were in a lose-lose situation unless they secured a coup in the trade. This is a blip on the radar, if the team starts winning they look good, if not well they're already pretty much rock bottom

It absolutely could have turned off more fans. Maybe not thousands. Hundreds perhaps.

There is bad PR that comes with not taking care of employees and not caring about their needs, and, the possibility of a grievance was there. I tend to side with the Sabres on this. I DONT THINK THEY ARE IN THE WRONG. I do think they are concerned about perception. I hear that perception matters in my job all the time. And I'm expected to agree with that as I move up the ranks.

And I already said that future free agents already have their minds made up about our franchise. This would be independent of that.

 

[Sabre the Win]

I never said this is about Eichel being the victim or him being in the right. I made an attempt to be nuanced and sympathetic to both sides of tbis

You've been playing devils advocate painting Eichel as the victim in this apparently horrible misjustice that the organization has done to him.

Whether or not you believe that, that is your opinion and you have a right to it but nuanced and sympathetic to both sides, I don't see it. There is no middle ground in this situation, you're either on the side of the player or the organization; it's too polarizing not to be, especially being a Sabres fan.

 

[elchud]

You've been playing devils advocate painting Eichel as the victim in this apparently horrible misjustice that the organization has done to him.

Whether or not you believe that, that is your opinion and you have a right to it but nuanced and sympathetic to both sides, I don't see it. There is no middle ground in this situation, you're either on the side of the player or the organization; it's too polarizing not to be, especially being a Sabres fan.

OK. There is a lot of emotion here. I am tracking that people don't want to be reading things that go against their beliefs.

I am sympathetic to the young man. I disengage from this now.

 

[The Blunder Years]

He said he was willing to come back and play to up his trade value. He didn’t want to stay. He still wanted out.

That statement was the nail in the coffin for my Eichel distaste. Talking about himself like he can do us a favor by upping his trade value… so righteous. I’m relieved he’s tucked away in the Mohave now. We only have to deal with him twice a year now instead of everyday. Seriously routing for the inevitable Vegas downfall with him as tank commander.

 

[threeVo]

That statement was the nail in the coffin for my Eichel distaste. Talking about himself like he can do us a favor by upping his trade value… so righteous. I’m relieved he’s tucked away in the Mohave now. We only have to deal with him twice a year now instead of everyday. Seriously routing for the inevitable Vegas downfall with him as tank commander.

Exactly this. I hope the team falls apart and they have 6 good players and bums surrounding them. I hope Lehner regains his buffalo form and never stops another breakaway. Good riddance

 

[ValJamesDuex]

If you listen to the 32 thoughts, the word is out that they wouldn't let Eichel get the surgery that he thought was best for him as a player and for him post-hockey.

Peguals are PR wary. Bad enough that star players may want to steer clear (as if they wanted another reason) but to not respect a person's choice in a seriously consequential surgery could have been a huge story.

I know there are two sides of this and you mostly get one side in the podcast. Eichels side is putting out in was business and the Pegulas took it personal. The flip is the Pegulas followed their doctors and that is business but Eichel took that personal.

Yet another chapter in bad break ups (Hasek LaFontaine Nolan Drury/Briere OReilly Rigas Kotalik) just kidding Ales.

So well said, nothing to add.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

this makes me sad.

Good of Jack to do that.

I feel relief with his departure, not sadness. Never look back.

 

[joshjull]

It absolutely could have turned off more fans. Maybe not thousands. Hundreds perhaps.

There is bad PR that comes with not taking care of employees and not caring about their needs, and, the possibility of a grievance was there. I tend to side with the Sabres on this. I DONT THINK THEY ARE IN THE WRONG. I do think they are concerned about perception. I hear that perception matters in my job all the time. And I'm expected to agree with that as I move up the ranks.

And I already said that future free agents already have their minds made up about our franchise. This would be independent of that.

I get what your saying about PR and agree companies can be very concerned about it. But it don’t think it applies to the Sabres at this point in time.

1) The Sabres have already been abandoned by a large chunk of their fans before this Eichel surgery saga started. They’re season ticket base completely cratered. The Pegulas are also reviled by a large segment of the fans base. Many of whom want them to sell the team.

2) The Sabres and Pegulas have been viewed as a joke around the league for several years now. Both the league and local press go after them repeatedly. They’re attacked or ridiculed for being incompetent, cheap, petty, etc.


They are viewed as a joke of an organization owned by buffoons (hard to argue to this point) who’ve been abandoned by a sizable chunk of their fans. The organization is aware of all of this. They know the only way they fix their reputation is by getting it right and icing a good hockey team. Something that will take time.

Interviews by Jack still waiting for a trade weren’t really going to do any real damage. Certainly not in the long run. They would have just generated a week or two of attacks by the same folks who’ve been attacking them all offseason about this.


**PLUS** They’ve been attacked all offseason about this. In some cases with talking points we now know are bullshit. The Sabres just took the hits and did little to counter. I don’t see why an organization willing to eat that much shit all offseason would suddenly be worried about Jack getting interviewed

 

[Eicheltower]

His body, his choice but still tears. I need a new username. Millertime was my first iteration on these parts. Oh the times they are a changing.