Confirmed with Link: [BUF/VGK] Jack Eichel & 3rd-2023(BUF) FOR Peyton Krebs, Alex Tuch, 1st-2022(VGK) & 2nd-2023(VGK)

[Jim Bob]

 

[Fjordy]

I like Kevyn Adams

 

[Montag DP]

Omg guys! Adams could have totally gotten more if he did this trade before the season! Vegas as definitely offering more back then. So was New York and so was Calgary!

Am I doing it right?

The first line is obviously sarcasm. This is a fine return. It's not what a healthy Eichel would return but that just wasn't going to happen. Waiting, in my opinion, probably got us Krebs instead of a lesser prospect.

A certain person who's been beating the drum that holding out for a good enough deal wouldn't work can't admit that it worked. Shocker. (I'm not talking about you.)

 

[joshjull]

Don’t want to rush him? Who are these guys?

 

[joshjull]

 

[Fjordy]

So far Bjork seems to be the only swing and miss of guys they've identified as having actively pursued

He had a history with Granato and Bjork looked decent last season, apart from finishing, I don’t know what happened to him this season.

 

[joshjull]

 

[old kummelweck]

It's basically:

1st
Tuch = 1st
Krebs = 1st

and the value of a 3rd; vegas 2nd for buffalo 3rd. Buffalo 22+23 3rd would be about vegas 2nd

Yep. The asking price was rumored to be 4 first round assets. This is damn near close to what was discussed, but I will beating this dead horse... NO EICHEL PERFORMANCE OR RECOVERY CONDITIONS. I think you have to give up a little for that.

In the end, Vegas was the perfect fit given Tuch on IR.

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

Fair deal, IMHO.

Of the 2 supposed remaining teams, Vegas was my preference. I can't see Jack being happy in Calgary for 5 years, so they'd end up flipping him over to Boston.

There is a chance he might play the full length of his contract in Vegas... maybe even extend. Wish Jack well, and hope to only see him twice a season plus cup finals.

 

[zenthusiast]

I like Kevyn Adams

I was a little wary based on what I’d heard of his nature in the org but he really seems to be making the best of a bad situation

Darcy II

 

[TehDoak]

And I have to think all they got were lowball offers in the summer. Look, I can speculate too!

If someone put a busted up ferrari for sale and wanted full retail price, they wouldn't get many offers either.

My point is, by all reports, Adams asking price prevented him from getting serious offers this summer.

This is a good return...considering the circumstances.

However, a good bit of those circumstances (i.e. making the trade in season, limited bidders, etc) were self inflicted. Here is what we've been told via various reports:

1. The team was unwilling to share medical info until LATE into the process (either shortly before the season started or shortly after, IIRC).
2. Teams noted that the asking price this summer was, essentially, for a fully healthy Jack Eichel, which he was never going to get

These are unforced errors by a rookie GM which likely reduced the return. By limiting his trade partners by not getting medical info out and not having serious talks by asking the moon, he put himself into a bad position.

Adams is a bad GM and handled this badly.

You are never going to win the trade when you trade a top 10 NHL player.

There's only degrees of losing.

Adams tried to win the trade this summer and got .50 on the dollar instead of .75 on the dollar he could have gotten with more bidders.

 

[EichHart]

Yep. The asking price was rumored to be 4 first round assets. This is damn near close to what was discussed, but I will beating this dead horse... NO EICHEL PERFORMANCE OR RECOVERY CONDITIONS. I think you have to give up a little for that.

In the end, Vegas was the perfect fit given Tuch on IR.

No salary retention too.

 

[Jim Bob]

Don’t want to rush him? Who are these guys?

I listened to Ryan Miller's interview with Mike McKenna and Scott Burnside this morning.

One of the things Ryan talked about was how the time they spent playing together in Rochester during the lockout helped build a strong comradery with that group of guys. Hopefully they are building some of that in Rochester this year.

 

[zenthusiast]

I wonder if Tuch’s happy. Gets to play near home but goes from a contender to… not

 

[Fezzy126]

I completely disagree with Yerdon, my bitteress stemmed from watching this team of lottery picks underachieve and perform so poorly on the ice.

Now that I can see an actual plan for roster building, player development, coaching, and we're finally able to turn the page on the Eichel situation I finally have some hope.

 

[joshjull]

If someone put a busted up ferrari for sale and wanted full retail price, they wouldn't get many offers either.

My point is, by all reports, Adams asking price prevented him from getting serious offers this summer.

This is a good return...considering the circumstances.

However, a good bit of those circumstances (i.e. making the trade in season, limited bidders, etc) were self inflicted. Here is what we've been told via various reports:

1. The team was unwilling to share medical info until LATE into the process (either shortly before the season started or shortly after, IIRC).
2. Teams noted that the asking price was, essentially, for a fully healthy Jack Eichel.

These are unforced errors by a rookie GM which likely reduced the return. By limiting his trade partners by not getting medical info out and not having serious talks by asking the moon, he put himself into a bad position.

Adams is a bad GM and handled this badly.

You are never going to win the trade when you trade a top 10 NHL player.

There's only degrees of losing.

Adams tried to win the trade this summer and got .50 on the dollar instead of .75 on the dollar he could have gotten with more bidders.

This fantasy world you live in sounds depressing

 

[Montag DP]

If someone put a busted up ferrari for sale and wanted full retail price, they wouldn't get many offers either.

My point is, by all reports, Adams asking price prevented him from getting serious offers this summer.

This is a good return...considering the circumstances.

However, a good bit of those circumstances (i.e. making the trade in season, limited bidders, etc) were self inflicted. Here is what we've been told via various reports:

1. The team was unwilling to share medical info until LATE into the process (either shortly before the season started or shortly after, IIRC).
2. Teams noted that the asking price was, essentially, for a fully healthy Jack Eichel.

These are unforced errors by a rookie GM which likely reduced the return. By limiting his trade partners by not getting medical info out and not having serious talks by asking the moon, he put himself into a bad position.

Adams is a bad GM and handled this badly.

You are never going to win the trade when you trade a top 10 NHL player.

There's only degrees of losing.

Adams tried to win the trade this summer and got .50 on the dollar instead of .75 on the dollar he could have gotten with more bidders.

It's simple: waiting for the right deal worked out. The rest is just speculation.

 

[Brewhouse Sports]

Blues fan here, sad that the Eichel saga had to end that way but it really was for the best. Wit that being said, I really like the direction the sabres are heading in. Stacked with good young talent and the only really bad contract is the Skinner one and he's still young enough to right the ship in my eyes. Here's to brighter days in Buffalo.

 

[joshjull]

 

[joshjull]

 

[Fjordy]

I was a little wary based on what I’d heard of his nature in the org but he really seems to be making the best of a bad situation

Darcy II

It's just that compared to Murray and Botterill, he seems to be quite a competent employee, of course he makes mistakes, and probably will, but he also does a lot of good things.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Am I the only one that believes Eichel wasn't traded because they disagreed on which surgery is best? I feel like the decision to trade Eichel happened when they decided to trade Reinhart and Ristolainen. Maybe Eichel wanted out or whatever but I believe they were heading towards separation before all the surgery mess.

 

[Jim Bob]

A slightly different take on what McCrimmon said.

I do think that a lot of people are underestimating the fact that there are no conditions tied to Eichel's future health and production in this deal.

That could end up being a huge win for Adams if things go badly for Eichel.

 

[Sabre Dance]

I listened to Ryan Miller's interview with Mike McKenna and Scott Burnside this morning.

One of the things Ryan talked about was how the time they spent playing together in Rochester during the lockout helped build a strong comradery with that group of guys. Hopefully they are building some of that in Rochester this year.

Sounds like that's the plan.

 

[Jim Bob]

Am I the only one that believes Eichel wasn't traded because they disagreed on which surgery is best? I feel like the decision to trade Eichel happened when they decided to trade Reinhart and Ristolainen. Maybe Eichel wanted out or whatever but I believe they were heading towards separation before all the surgery mess.

There are rumors that Adams wanted to move Eichel prior to last season and Ralph & the Pegulas nixxed it....