Confirmed Trade: [BUF/EDM] Ryan McLeod and Tyler Tullio for Matt Savoie

[MarkusKetterer]

Hosed only because they expected J.Skinner to be better.
What trash they ended up with to round out the top 6.

Technically when you look at it it was Skinner + Savoie for McLeod.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Hosed only because they expected J.Skinner to be better.
What trash they ended up with to round out the top 6.

Well, that’s definitely on them. Skinner had very clearly lost a step last season, and he’s always been a one-dimensional player with serious flaws in his game.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

It's not exactly rational to go with the "McLeod for Skinner" angle, but since he's being talked about here, he's given the team something that it has dearly lacked early on. I never had Skinner pegged as the guy who go to the tough areas, but he's been a hound around the net and creates a bit of chaos down low. The goals will come, but in the meantime, at least it builds offensive momentum for the team.

 

[joestevens29]

Had no idea we traded McLeod for skinner

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Technically when you look at it it was Skinner + Savoie for McLeod.

The Skinner signing would happen irrespective of us trading McLeod or not, if we didn't have an interested party for McLeod , I'm guessing Henrique would of been the UFA we likely don't sign given they occupy the same slot on the team.

 

[HaNotsri]

I think it's useless, his entire career coaches have been trying to teach him this, but he's just too lazy to do it.

I don't think he's lazy. He just doesn't understand that part of the game. I think his backcheck is better than when he tries to play defense during prolonged attacks. It's not the effort, it's the brain.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

It's not exactly rational to go with the "McLeod for Skinner" angle, but since he's being talked about here, he's given the team something that it has dearly lacked early on. I never had Skinner pegged as the guy who go to the tough areas, but he's been a hound around the net and creates a bit of chaos down low. The goals will come, but in the meantime, at least it builds offensive momentum for the team.

Skinner was always someone who set up in the soft areas when offensive zone pressure was established. He’s fine once that happens and he becomes the shooting and/or rebound option.

It’s when he tries to go 1 on 5 that you wanna rip your hair out.

The Skinner signing would happen irrespective of us trading McLeod or not, if we didn't have an interested party for McLeod , I'm guessing Henrique would of been the UFA we likely don't sign given they occupy the same slot on the team.

I mean maybe. But still it ended up with the Oilers having a Sabres prospect and former player. Obviously it wasn’t a trade of 2 for 1, but it ended up being that way.

Regardless I look forward to the tribute video when the Oil come to Buffalo.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

Skinner was always someone who set up in the soft areas when offensive zone pressure was established. He’s fine once that happens and he becomes the shooting and/or rebound option.

It’s when he tries to go 1 on 5 that you wanna rip your hair out.

Yeah - I didn't view him as a guy banging away in the paint, so a pleasant surprise there.

He hasn't done much of the Jeff vs. The World stuff. Hopefully he understands the assignment - with 97 and 29, those are the guys who run the offence. His seeming strengths work really well with that. Just need the shots to start going in.

 

[LTIR]

Had no idea we traded McLeod for skinner

We traded McLeod to save cap space so we could add Skinner.

We were also forced to let go of Holloway partly because of J.Skinner.

Anyway, glad McL is turning out for BUF.. I never declared this McLeod for Savoie swap a clear win for Oiler.. people can go check earlier posts.. it's a win win deal once Savoie becomes an NHLer

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

We traded McLeod to save cap space so we could add Skinner.

McLeod was traded because he was a passenger in the playoffs.

 

[joestevens29]

We traded McLeod to save cap space so we could add Skinner.

We were also forced to let go of Holloway partly because of J.Skinner.

Anyway, glad McL is turning out for BUF.. I never declared this McLeod for Savoie swap a clear win for Oiler.. people can go check earlier posts.. it's a win win deal once Savoie becomes an NHLer

Man we signed more than skinner. Expect this crap from no oiler fans

 

[MOGlLNY]

Skinner sucks

 

[Fjordy]

I don't think he's lazy. He just doesn't understand that part of the game. I think his backcheck is better than when he tries to play defense during prolonged attacks. It's not the effort, it's the brain.

Well I don't know, he can't figure out how to just go back to defense and cover his zone or guy, I noticed that occasionally he did that, but otherwise he just lazily went back.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I feel like it's silly to take a victory lap that you traded a recent top-10 pick for a guy on pace for like 50 points

Like sure, McLeod looks like he has been a really nice player for the Sabres, but they still traded a recent top-10 pick that's doing pretty well in the AHL for him. Even in the context that Skinner has been a dud for the Oilers, I think it's still a no brainer for the Oilers to make that swap because Savoie's upside is likely higher than McLeod and they'll probably get more value out of him (whether it be by trade or with what he does in the NHL) than they would have gotten out of McLeod.

 

[BFLO]

I don't think he's lazy. He just doesn't understand that part of the game. I think his backcheck is better than when he tries to play defense during prolonged attacks. It's not the effort, it's the brain.

Big disagree.

Skinner is a top 5 laziest player in the league.

It's not that he doesn't understand defense, it's that he's completely disinterested and considers himself above it. He's usually too busy attempting to cherry pick by hanging out around the opponents blue line.

 

[McDNicks17]

I feel like it's silly to take a victory lap that you traded a recent top-10 pick for a guy on pace for like 50 points

Like sure, McLeod looks like he has been a really nice player for the Sabres, but they still traded a recent top-10 pick that's doing pretty well in the AHL for him. Even in the context that Skinner has been a dud for the Oilers, I think it's still a no brainer for the Oilers to make that swap because Savoie's upside is likely higher than McLeod and they'll probably get more value out of him (whether it be by trade or with what he does in the NHL) than they would have gotten out of McLeod.

The really nice part for McLeod is his 36% shooting percentage and 14.29% onSH%.

 

[Ace]

The trade always made complete sense to me. Edmonton is going to need cheap skill (and speed) in the near future when those two league high extensions kick in. Buffalo still has too many young forwards in Savoie’s tier to have room for all of them. I think highly of Savoie and, unlike the slow and defensively non existent Skinner, think he will be a good fit when he earns his chance. It’s a bit weird to do the deal coming off a cup final…but this is when Savoie was available and Henrique stayed leaving McLeod a bit of a floater in the lineup.

If anything…Buffalo needs to do this another 2 or 3 times. McLeod has been a great fit and brings things the team needed. They still need multiple things. Would really like to see them try to get those things after five years of this regime’s reign of nothing. They’re squandering the big year of savings on buying out Skinner. They’re still sitting on too many forwards prospects. It’s a shit show.

 

[RandV]

The really nice part for McLeod is his 36% shooting percentage and 14.29% onSH%.

That's inconsequential when the guy only has 14 shots and 5 goals. That's just a few lucky bounces early in the season for a guy who doesn't shoot/score much. That will balance out but he should still end the season as a reliable 40 point 3rd line center for Buffalo.

 

[McDNicks17]

That's inconsequential when the guy only has 14 shots and 5 goals. That's just a few lucky bounces early in the season for a guy who doesn't shoot/score much. That will balance out but he should still end the season as a reliable 40 point 3rd line center for Buffalo.

If you apply his career SH% and onSH%, he'd have 1 goal and the Sabres would have scored 6 goals instead of 13 with him on the ice.

The same people probably wouldn't be bumping this thread if he had 1 goal and 4 points with the above numbers while playing the third most 5v5 minutes for forwards on the Sabres.

 

[Ace]

If you apply his career SH% and onSH%, he'd have 1 goal and the Sabres would have scored 6 goals instead of 13 with him on the ice.

The same people probably wouldn't be bumping this thread if he had 1 goal and 4 points with the above numbers while playing the third most 5v5 minutes for forwards on the Sabres.

So we should pretend he hasn’t been productive on top of being good?

That’s how we should handle threads from now on?

 

[McDNicks17]

So we should pretend he hasn’t been productive on top of being good?

That’s how we should handle threads from now on?

HFBoards wouldn't be HFBoards without panic and hyperbole, so no haha. There'd barely be any threads on the main board without the "Has X player taken a step forward?" or "X Player is past his prime" threads after a PDO heater/cold streak.

I'm not saying he hasn't been productive. I'm saying he's been extra productive because of otherworldly percentages. The Sabres aren't going to face .857 SV% goaltending for the rest of the season when he's on the ice. It should be pretty obvious the rate he's producing at is going to go down when they don't.

 

[McFlyingV]

If you apply his career SH% and onSH%, he'd have 1 goal and the Sabres would have scored 6 goals instead of 13 with him on the ice.

The same people probably wouldn't be bumping this thread if he had 1 goal and 4 points with the above numbers while playing the third most 5v5 minutes for forwards on the Sabres.

Unsustainable SH% is a hell of a drug on HFboards.

 

[Mattilaus]

I don't particularly care about his shooting % or his production. He has been defensively responsible, he wins faceoffs, and when he is on the ice, more often then not, the puck ends up in the attacking zone. That's already a huge plus over our previous 3rd lines.

Will he wilt in the playoffs? Will we want more eventually? Sure, maybe. But we haven't made the playoffs in 13 years. We can worry about shaping the roster into a contender IF we are able to finally make it back to the show. For now, I'll take a solid, defensively responsible 3rd line. The points are just a bonus. His production dropping should be countered by our 2nd line waking up anyways.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I wanted McLeod gone and he's gone. That's great he's working out for Buffalo. I started paying more attention to Buffalo when they attempted to load up with Hall, Staal, etc. I feel for that fan base as they have suffered just as we did in the Decade of Darkness. So McLeod working out there doesn't bother me. in fact quite the opposite. Also doesn't make me flip flop on the trade.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Until Savoie starts playing for the oiler this trade is lopsided