Confirmed Trade: [BUF/EDM] Ryan McLeod and Tyler Tullio for Matt Savoie

[Hasekperreault23]

That McLeod was the best faceoff man in Edmonton?

Just curious, where are you getting those numbers from?

You might want to look again

Your buddy tommydangles posted it was 50.8 which was first on Edmonton or have you forgotten already.? I checked as well and I didn't see respond to him so it must be true

 

[Senor Catface]

He lead the WHL in points per game. Calling him the 4th best player is just being obtuse.

Only about a 100 other players in the history of the league have had over 2 points per game average like Savoie did.

100 percent @DearDiary just looked at his stats and thought they were low without noticing games played.

 

[Hasekperreault23]

if you wanna say faceoffs don't matter, that's fine. But he is average, by definition. Maybe he gets better. But being average on the worst team at faceoffs in the league does not make you suddenly good.

I didn't say he was great he would have been the best on our team and an elite penalty killer which we are brutal at.I mean if you don't like the trade I respect that but I do since we traded our strongest assets,our prospects.

 

[DearDiary]

100 percent @DearDiary just looked at his stats and thought they were low without noticing games played.

He lead the WHL in points per game. Calling him the 4th best player is just being obtuse.

Only about a 100 other players in the history of the league have had over 2 points per game average like Savoie did.

Savoie was a 2C and the 4th best player on Moosejaw. Behind Firkus, Yager and Mateychuk.

 

[McFlyingV]

Your buddy tommydangles posted it was 50.8 which was first on Edmonton or have you forgotten already.? I checked as well and I didn't see respond to him so it must be true

50.8 was ranked last among Oilers centres in the regular season.

#1 Leon Draisaitl 56.9%
#2 Derek Ryan 55.7%
#3 Adam Henrique 53.3%
#4 Connor McDavid 51.1%
#5 Ryan McLeod 50.8%

 

[Cup or Bust]

I was actually against trading Ryan McLeod previously but that is because I thought the most any team would trade for him is a 2nd rounder. I didn't think he could get any worthwhile return. For a recent top 10 pick, I would have driven McLeod to the airport. He's a pretty easily replaceable player for what he brings, it's not worth giving up any quality assets for that kind of player. I am trying to think of any other time a recent top 10 pick has been traded for that level of player.

 

[On The Prowl]

Savoie was a 2C and the 4th best player on Moosejaw. Behind Firkus, Yager and Mateychuk.

So objectively the third best forward on the best team in the WHL for a small sample size. Every player has highs and lows during the season, lets see what he does going forward.

 

[McFlyingV]

He lead the WHL in points per game. Calling him the 4th best player is just being obtuse.

Only about a 100 other players in the history of the league have had over 2 points per game average like Savoie did.

And only 8 players have scored 2ppg in the WHL since the year 2000. Now, this doesn't mean he'll be a star. About half of those players are currently stars or tracking to be stars or 1st line players, with the others mostly good top 6 NHLers. The only exception is Heponiemi.

1. Connor Bedard 2.51 (2022-23) - tracking to be a franchise player
2. Mike Comrie 2.14 (2000-01) - 1st/2nd line forward, 2 30-goal seasons
3. Matthew Savoie 2.09 (2023-24) - TBD
4. Aleksi Heponiemi 2.07 (2017-18) - Struggled with transition to pro, never put on weight/strength (155lbs), currently looking like a career Euro league player
5. Logan Stankoven 2.02 (2022-23) - Excellent AHL showing last year followed by an excellent NHL regular season and playoff showing. Tracking to be a top 6 player.
6. Jagger Firkus 2.00 (2023-24) - TBD
7. Oliver Bjorkstrand 2.00 (2014-15) - 2nd line player
8. Dylan Guenther (maybe shouldn't have included because 12 GP), 2.00 (2020-21) - tracking to be a 1st line player.

So it would seem it's more likely than not on production alone that Savoie will become a top 6 NHLer.

I was actually against trading Ryan McLeod previously but that is because I thought the most any team would trade for him is a 2nd rounder. I didn't think he could get any worthwhile return. For a recent top 10 pick, I would have driven McLeod to the airport. He's a pretty easily replaceable player for what he brings, it's not worth giving up any quality assets for that kind of player. I am trying to think of any other time a recent top 10 pick has been traded for that level of player.

The last time is Forsberg for Erat, but the dynamics of that trade were drastically different because Erat was 32 years old and McLeod 24 years old, but Erat did have a higher offensive pedigree prior to that trade. He just happened to fall off a cliff after the trade which is unlikely to happen with McLeod.

 

[Hasekperreault23]

And only 8 players have scored 2ppg in the WHL since the year 2000. Now, this doesn't mean he'll be a star. About half of those players are currently stars or tracking to be stars or 1st line players, with the others mostly good top 6 NHLers. The only exception is Heponiemi.

1. Connor Bedard 2.51 (2022-23) - tracking to be a franchise player
2. Mike Comrie 2.14 (2000-01) - 1st/2nd line forward, 2 30-goal seasons
3. Matthew Savoie 2.09 (2023-24) - TBD
4. Aleksi Heponiemi 2.07 (2017-18) - Struggled with transition to pro, never put on weight/strength (155lbs), currently looking like a career Euro league player
5. Logan Stankoven 2.02 (2022-23) - Excellent AHL showing last year followed by an excellent NHL regular season and playoff showing. Tracking to be a top 6 player.
6. Jagger Firkus 2.00 (2023-24) - TBD
7. Oliver Bjorkstrand 2.00 (2014-15) - 2nd line player
8. Dylan Guenther (maybe shouldn't have included because 12 GP), 2.00 (2020-21) - tracking to be a 1st line player.

So it would seem it's more likely than not on production alone that Savoie will become a top 6 NHLer.


The last time is Forsberg for Erat, but the dynamics of that trade were drastically different because Erat was 32 years old and McLeod 24 years old, but Erat did have a higher offensive pedigree prior to that trade. He just happened to fall off a cliff after the trade which is unlikely to happen with McLeod.

I think what you don't or don't want to understand is Buffalo traded from a position of strength to get a centremen who can win faceoffs ( I know he is average) who kills penalties and has size and speed.They addressed a checking line in free agency and added McLeod. Savoie was redundant. Do I think he will be a good NHL player? It will depend if he can stay healthy which so far hasn't been the case.Good luck to the kid I really do hope he excells

 

[Pucklington]

Reasonable take:

Many layers to the Oilers’ Ryan McLeod for Matthew Savoie trade

Ryan McLeod became an excellent draft pick for the Edmonton Oilers....

oilersnation.com

 

[5 14 6 1]

It wouldn't surprise me if Savoie becomes Logan Stankoven-like trade deadline call up in lieu of a trade for another player. Yeah, Savoie is small, but stick him on Draisatl's wing and he'll be extremely effective.

I've always felt the McLeod brothers lacked anything between the ears. I highly doubt Ryan McLeod ever eclipses 40 points in a season. He can skate fast, but can't think the game at a high level.

I fully agree with the second blurb. Ryan McLeod is a full on golden retriever and I question his IQ lol

 

[TageGod]

Good luck to Buffalo and Edmonton. I hope Savoie works out for you.

 

[Peasy]

And only 8 players have scored 2ppg in the WHL since the year 2000. Now, this doesn't mean he'll be a star. About half of those players are currently stars or tracking to be stars or 1st line players, with the others mostly good top 6 NHLers. The only exception is Heponiemi.

1. Connor Bedard 2.51 (2022-23) - tracking to be a franchise player
2. Mike Comrie 2.14 (2000-01) - 1st/2nd line forward, 2 30-goal seasons
3. Matthew Savoie 2.09 (2023-24) - TBD
4. Aleksi Heponiemi 2.07 (2017-18) - Struggled with transition to pro, never put on weight/strength (155lbs), currently looking like a career Euro league player
5. Logan Stankoven 2.02 (2022-23) - Excellent AHL showing last year followed by an excellent NHL regular season and playoff showing. Tracking to be a top 6 player.
6. Jagger Firkus 2.00 (2023-24) - TBD
7. Oliver Bjorkstrand 2.00 (2014-15) - 2nd line player
8. Dylan Guenther (maybe shouldn't have included because 12 GP), 2.00 (2020-21) - tracking to be a 1st line player.

So it would seem it's more likely than not on production alone that Savoie will become a top 6 NHLer.


The last time is Forsberg for Erat, but the dynamics of that trade were drastically different because Erat was 32 years old and McLeod 24 years old, but Erat did have a higher offensive pedigree prior to that trade. He just happened to fall off a cliff after the trade which is unlikely to happen with McLeod.

Crazy that 4 of the 8 (really 4 out of 7 cause one isnt even a 20 game sample) all happened in the past 2 years. Its almost like the scoring in the WHL has exploded compared to what it used to be.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

I didn't say he was great he would have been the best on our team and an elite penalty killer which we are brutal at.I mean if you don't like the trade I respect that but I do since we traded our strongest assets,our prospects

He is the definition of average on draw. Sabres fans keep trying to colour all these moves in the positive. Maybe fit will matter more. But the reality is okay in faceoff on a team that stinks. Doesn't exactly sound like a power move. Elite PK? I read somewhere else he was a 3rd pair PK on Oilers. Not sure how elite the guy is, if so. Not saying he's not a guy who doesn't add to the lineup, but that wasn't all that hard. If he can get like 35 or ro points and play a great D, we will have found value. I'm not against trading Savoie, I think Sabres should have got a tad more (like a second) thrown in.

 

[nabob]

He is the definition of average on draw. Sabres fans keep trying to colour all these moves in the positive. Maybe fit will matter more. But the reality is okay in faceoff on a team that stinks. Doesn't exactly sound like a power move. Elite PK? I read somewhere else he was a 3rd pair PK on Oilers. Not sure how elite the guy is, if so. Not saying he's not a guy who doesn't add to the lineup, but that wasn't all that hard. If he can get like 35 or ro points and play a great D, we will have found value. I'm not against trading Savoie, I think Sabres should have got a tad more (like a second) thrown in.

It depended on who was in or out of the lineup on a day to day basis.

SH TOI/G

Nuge 1:48
Janmark 1:48
Brown 1:46
Ryan 1:36
McLeod 1:14
Henrique 0:55
Foegele 0:53

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

It depended on who was in or out of the lineup on a day to day basis.

SH TOI/G

Nuge 1:48
Janmark 1:48
Brown 1:46
Ryan 1:36
McLeod 1:14
Henrique 0:55
Foegele 0:53

That's okay. I think a major part of their success in Edmonton may have been coaching, but McLeod's speed should make him a PK specialist. I really like Greenway on PK because of that wingspin.

 

[johnnybbadd]

A top 25 prospect isn't the 4th best player on a WHL team

I see it differently. If Savoie is a top 25 prospect it means that the Sabres have another 3 or 4 in the top 25 and that does not include Benson.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

It depended on who was in or out of the lineup on a day to day basis.

SH TOI/G

Nuge 1:48
Janmark 1:48
Brown 1:46
Ryan 1:36
McLeod 1:14
Henrique 0:55
Foegele 0:53

Yeah, total PK time in Edmonton had RNH, Janmark, Brown, and Ryan as 1st through 4th and McLeod was the 5th man up.

Henrique has played a fair bit of PK in his career so he likely slots in and I'd be betting that Holloway will learn the ropes on the PK too.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

And only 8 players have scored 2ppg in the WHL since the year 2000. Now, this doesn't mean he'll be a star. About half of those players are currently stars or tracking to be stars or 1st line players, with the others mostly good top 6 NHLers. The only exception is Heponiemi.

1. Connor Bedard 2.51 (2022-23) - tracking to be a franchise player
2. Mike Comrie 2.14 (2000-01) - 1st/2nd line forward, 2 30-goal seasons
3. Matthew Savoie 2.09 (2023-24) - TBD
4. Aleksi Heponiemi 2.07 (2017-18) - Struggled with transition to pro, never put on weight/strength (155lbs), currently looking like a career Euro league player
5. Logan Stankoven 2.02 (2022-23) - Excellent AHL showing last year followed by an excellent NHL regular season and playoff showing. Tracking to be a top 6 player.
6. Jagger Firkus 2.00 (2023-24) - TBD
7. Oliver Bjorkstrand 2.00 (2014-15) - 2nd line player
8. Dylan Guenther (maybe shouldn't have included because 12 GP), 2.00 (2020-21) - tracking to be a 1st line player.

So it would seem it's more likely than not on production alone that Savoie will become a top 6 NHLer.


The last time is Forsberg for Erat, but the dynamics of that trade were drastically different because Erat was 32 years old and McLeod 24 years old, but Erat did have a higher offensive pedigree prior to that trade. He just happened to fall off a cliff after the trade which is unlikely to happen with McLeod.

I think Heponiemi is an interesting case.

We see a fair few examples of short players in today's NHL but they're built pretty compactly. Savoie fits that short and compact body type that can have success. At 5'9. 5'10, I think you need to be in that 180lb+ mark to survive.

It's insane to me that Heponiemi is playing pro hockey at 155lbs.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

So Adams traded Mittelstadt for no good reason and started all mess about needing third line center. So Mittelstadt and Savoie for Byram and McLeod.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

So Adams traded Mittelstadt for no good reason and started all mess about needing third line center. So Millelstadt and Savoie for Byram and McLeod.

Isn't Byram a great player though?

 

[ManofSteel55]

Isn't Byram a great player though?

I'd rather have Byram than Middlestadt. Feels like a net win for the Sabres for next season with Savoie likely getting AHL time.

Never thought I would see 65 pages for a Ryan McLeod trade thread, ha ha.

 

[Panthaz89]

Crazy that 4 of the 8 (really 4 out of 7 cause one isnt even a 20 game sample) all happened in the past 2 years. Its almost like the scoring in the WHL has exploded compared to what it used to be.

Not really most of them are likely going to be great players...

 

[McFlyingV]

Crazy that 4 of the 8 (really 4 out of 7 cause one isnt even a 20 game sample) all happened in the past 2 years. Its almost like the scoring in the WHL has exploded compared to what it used to be.

Skill is on the rise in today's NHL.

I think what you don't or don't want to understand is Buffalo traded from a position of strength to get a centremen who can win faceoffs ( I know he is average) who kills penalties and has size and speed.They addressed a checking line in free agency and added McLeod. Savoie was redundant. Do I think he will be a good NHL player? It will depend if he can stay healthy which so far hasn't been the case.Good luck to the kid I really do hope he excells

I completely understand it. I was only commenting on Savoie's production and all of his detractors claiming he had fallen out of favour because of his progression in the WHL, which simply isn't true. Buffalo obviously has an abundance of prospects and needs to start winning now, and you can't do that graduating 6 prospects to the NHL in a year.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Skill is on the rise in today's NHL.


I completely understand it. I was only commenting on Savoie's production and all of his detractors claiming he had fallen out of favour because of his progression in the WHL, which simply isn't true. Buffalo obviously has an abundance of prospects and needs to start winning now, and you can't do that graduating 6 prospects to the NHL in a year.

I personally think Savoie's floor is that of a good 2nd line winger. The sky is the limit with his ceiling.

Most projections I see of him are still pretty bullish on his top line winger upside.

From Edmonton's side, McLeod was looking like he'd slot in as our 4C this year behind McDavid, Drai, and Henrique. LW is also jammed with RNH, Holloway, and Skinner.