toddkaz
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Top 25 prospect traded for an average 3C
Sucks being a sabres fan.
Sucks being a sabres fan.
Let's not cope - if the Calgary Flames traded a Martin Pospisil or the Canucks traded a Nils Hoglander for a Zach Benson, those fanbases would have every reason to be jumping for joy.Again, there is, at least in my opinion, the high probability Edmonton makes out better in tbis trade than the Sabres do in the future.
But that doesn’t mean it’s a bad trade for the Sabres. It isn’t. It fills a need they have NOW.
I mean, is it that hard to understand?
Savoie could easily be a 60-80 point player. Not sure how you make such a call without the guy even playing a season in the NHL.I can find many 4th liners who had a few game stretches of ppg in their AHL careers too.
Does Savoie have talent??? --yes. Do I see him as a 70+ scorer...no.
If he was that talented. Why didnt he go top 5?
Why did they not have him on the 23 WJC team?
Buffalo had him with the team out of camp but injured. When they activated him, benson I think was injured. Hr only played 5 min of one game then back to juniors. Hr p ln ayef in A on a post injury rehab.
I dont seem him in a bottom 6 role. Brnson ostlund and Kulich I can
If I look ahead to say 2026 or 2027 summer where decisions likely made...
assuming no trades for top 9......
LW Peterka, Benson, Wahlberg , Poltapov, Greenway( if resigned)
C Cozens*, Thompson*, Helenius, Ostlund*, McLeon
RW Tuch, Quinn, Rosen,
* Can move to RW
There are other prospects
Some get traded.
It's been reported that Adams had been trying to trade Savoie all summer and no one bit. One of the Sabres beat reporters (Lance Lysowski) also reported that he talked to sources on teams around the league and they said Savoie didn't have as much value as the public thinks. Teams were more interested in Kulich and Wahlberg, and Adams didn't want to trade either of them.Let's not cope - if the Calgary Flames traded a Martin Pospisil or the Canucks traded a Nils Hoglander for a Zach Benson, those fanbases would have every reason to be jumping for joy.
I wonder if the Buffalo GM even called around... lots of teams should have been interested at that price point.
Monahan is so much better than McLeod lolWell your alternatives at center were:
Monahan at 5.5 mill (worse than McLeod), Stephenson at 6.25 mill, or Elias Lindholm at 7.75 mill, or Wennberg at 5 mill.
McLeod at 2 mill is an absolute bargain
I'd MUCH rather have McLeod 5v5, I'd MUCH rather have Mcleod on the PK.Monahan is so much better than McLeod lol
Some Sabres fans ... "all your prospect are belong to us".Top 25 prospect traded for an average 3C
Sucks being a sabres fan.
I’m confused by use of the word cope here. Does it mean “anyone who disagrees with me” in this context? The post you quoted merely said they didn’t think this was a bad trade.Let's not cope - if the Calgary Flames traded a Martin Pospisil or the Canucks traded a Nils Hoglander for a Zach Benson, those fanbases would have every reason to be jumping for joy.
I wonder if the Buffalo GM even called around... lots of teams should have been interested at that price point.
This is what 13 years of losing looks like.Some Sabres fans ... "all your prospect are belong to us".
I think most people's hang up is in perceived values. We don't know what value either of these guys have around the league right now. Fans are laughing and saying one team ripped off the other. In reality, we don't know if that's true or not.
We know the player values to the teams involved in the trade, true. We don't necessarily know their values on a league wide-basis though. I do agree that people are having a difficult time grasping that the perceived values were wrong, but I believe you are correct about that.I think we absolutely do know their values because they were just demonstrated.
Common sense suggests each player was shopped. Reports back that up.
What people are having trouble with is realization their perceived value was wrong.
Monahan is a better scorer/producer, but I'm not sure if I would take him over McLeod at face value. I know I would rather have McLeod at his cap hit than Monahan at his.Monahan is so much better than McLeod lol
It's been reported that Adams had been trying to trade Savoie all summer and no one bit. One of the Sabres beat reporters (Lance Lysowski) also reported that he talked to sources on teams around the league and they said Savoie didn't have as much value as the public thinks. Teams were more interested in Kulich and Wahlberg, and Adams didn't want to trade either of them.
That doesn't mean Savoie's not a good prospect or that Oilers fans shouldn't be thrilled, just that it's not as bad of a value trade for the Sabres as looks on the surface. We'll all have to just wait and see how it turns out. I hope it works out for both teams, personally.
Are you saying the other poster can’t make a call about him not being a 70 point player "without him playing a season in the NHL", then turning around and saying he could "easily be a 60-80 point player", without him ever playing a season in the NHL?Savoie could easily be a 60-80 point player. Not sure how you make such a call without the guy even playing a season in the NHL.
He's not declaring that he's going to be a 70+ point player, he's saying that it's possible, as it's possible he's not a 70+ point player. The other poster on the other hand was declaring that he's not a 70+ point player. So, they're not doing the same thing at all. I don't see how you would interpret it as such.Are you saying the other poster can’t make a call about him not being a 70 point player "without him playing a season in the NHL", then turning around and saying he could "easily be a 60-80 point player", without him ever playing a season in the NHL?
I'm not saying either of you are wrong as I don't know as much about the guy, just seems odd that you would call him hour for making call without seeing him, then doing the same thing yourself.
He's not declaring that he's going to be a 70+ point player, he's saying that it's possible, as it's possible he's not a 70+ point player. The other poster on the other hand was declaring that he's not a 70+ point player. So, they're not doing the same thing at all. I don't see how you would interpret it as such.
When did I say they can't? They can do what they want. They just look stupid doing it.Are you saying the other poster can’t make a call about him not being a 70 point player "without him playing a season in the NHL", then turning around and saying he could "easily be a 60-80 point player", without him ever playing a season in the NHL?
I'm not saying either of you are wrong as I don't know as much about the guy, just seems odd that you would call him hour for making call without seeing him, then doing the same thing yourself.
The amount of Buffalo fans that love this trade are nuts. McLeod is a sub par 3C and in no way, shape or form is he even close to being worth a top 9 pick from a few years ago. But because Buffalo has so many high picks it makes it okay? Nope. 100% desperation and McLeod isn't going to turn the team around. Brutal trade.Top 25 prospect traded for an average 3C
Sucks being a sabres fan.
Most of his points were when he was at wing with Draisaitl. As a center he did next to nothing and then eventually played his way out of the spot.I am really happy as an Oiler's fan, but I am starting to think of...
What other 24 year old centres making $2.1M that scored 30 points with zero powerplay time were available? I can kind of see what Buffalo was doing, but still that price was pretty high.
When you lose 13 straight years in a row mediocre becomes something hopeful.The amount of Buffalo fans that love this trade are nuts. McLeod is a sub par 3C and in no way, shape or form is he even close to being worth a top 9 pick from a few years ago. But because Buffalo has so many high picks it makes it okay? Nope. 100% desperation and McLeod isn't going to turn the team around. Brutal trade.
Most of his points were when he was at wing with Draisaitl. As a center he did next to nothing and then eventually played his way out of the spot.
Top 25 prospect traded for an average 3C
Sucks being a sabres fan.
He lead the WHL in points per game. Calling him the 4th best player is just being obtuse.A top 25 prospect isn't the 4th best player on a WHL team
I think any top ten pick forward you're hoping 60pts+. Then making the progress savoie has already, you'd think that would be his floor going forward.Savoie could easily be a 60-80 point player. Not sure how you make such a call without the guy even playing a season in the NHL.
Not most, but a sizeable portion were.The amount of Buffalo fans that love this trade are nuts. McLeod is a sub par 3C and in no way, shape or form is he even close to being worth a top 9 pick from a few years ago. But because Buffalo has so many high picks it makes it okay? Nope. 100% desperation and McLeod isn't going to turn the team around. Brutal trade.
Most of his points were when he was at wing with Draisaitl. As a center he did next to nothing and then eventually played his way out of the spot.