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  • Ryan Strome

  • Adam Fox

  • Artemi Panarin

  • Mika Zibanejad

  • Filip Chytil

  • Igor Shesterkin

  • Chris Kreider

  • Alexis Lafreniere

  • Dryden Hunt

  • Greg McEggs

  • Kevin “the Hands” Rooney

  • Ryan Reavo

  • Ryan Lindgren

  • Jacob Tuna

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  • Patrick Nemeth

  • Julius Gauthier

  • Kevin Brodkiznki

  • Barclay Goodrow

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He has been like that for years, could just be my interpretation

Fans trying to invalidate his opinion by calling his career "forgettable" is one of the many things that's wrong with hockey culture. This notion that only star players have a valid opinion is terrible.

I honestly think Gretzky is an empty shell on that TNT broadcast, and he's the best player ever. A good player doesn't automatically make a good coach/GM/pundit etc.
 
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Fans trying to invalidate his opinion by calling his career "forgettable" is one of the many things that's wrong with hockey culture. This notion that only star players have a valid opinion is terrible.

I honestly think Gretzky is an empty shell on that TNT broadcast, and he's the best player ever. A good player doesn't automatically make a good coach/GM/pundit etc.
Not saying you are wrong, fans have rose colored glasses when it comes to their teams.
The networks seem to think that star players opinion Carrie’s more weight
 
Not saying you are wrong, fans have rose colored glasses when it comes to their teams.
The networks seem to think that star players opinion Carrie’s more weight

Gretzky draws viewers because it's Gretzky. Same with Messier and Chelios on the ESPN+ broadcast. I'm not saying they are bad at analyzing the game because they're good players, but more the opposite that being a good player isn't a guarantee.

If I were a casual fan, I would tune in for Gretzky, but Anson Carter's ability to analyze the game, for me at least, outweighs what Gretzky brings to the broadcast. And when I hear people just moving Carter's quotes aside because "He had a forgettable career" I just roll my eyes because it's a very short-sighted response IMO.
 
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Gretzky draws viewers because it's Gretzky. Same with Messier and Chelios on the ESPN+ broadcast. I'm not saying they are bad at analyzing the game because they're good players, but more the opposite that being a good player isn't a guarantee.

If I were a casual fan, I would tune in for Gretzky, but Anson Carter's ability to analyze the game, for me at least, outweighs what Gretzky brings to the broadcast. And when I hear people just moving Carter's quotes aside because "He had a forgettable career" I just roll my eyes because it's a very short-sighted response IMO.
I hear you and see your point. He is a broadcaster and like I said most fans don’t like hearing some things that the more knowledgeable studio guys say
Rose colored glasses
 
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Funny it was Panarin on the backcheck who forced none other's than Brandon Saad's pass to go to a ranger instead of ROR. And then scored the EN

And we had people suggesting trading him 2 days ago
 
I was just demonstrating that I'm not the only one who has a vivid imagination. Your comment about me having too much time really hit home. I blame my job. It currently sucks. I get paid sitting at the computer all day doing mostly nothing.
I am sooo sorry, didn't mean that viciously. Was joking with you. Yeah, this damned Covey thing, threw everyone for a loop. Except for the extremely introverted people that HATE people and would prefer to be alone and as distant from people as possible.
Being HOME all the time isnt all its cracked up to be. My Godchild gained prob 100lbs. doing the same. Boredom creeps in. Told her to start smoking, lol.
 
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Gretzky draws viewers because it's Gretzky. Same with Messier and Chelios on the ESPN+ broadcast. I'm not saying they are bad at analyzing the game because they're good players, but more the opposite that being a good player isn't a guarantee.

If I were a casual fan, I would tune in for Gretzky, but Anson Carter's ability to analyze the game, for me at least, outweighs what Gretzky brings to the broadcast. And when I hear people just moving Carter's quotes aside because "He had a forgettable career" I just roll my eyes because it's a very short-sighted response IMO.
Totally agree. Gretzky has the personality and insight of a gluten free cracker. It's clear he spent zero time training to be a tv personality. When asked which team is better, he always says "both." When asked whether the rangers should go for it at the trade deadline, he punts on the question.

Everything is safe with his presentation and he sounds bored when he's watching the game. And he drones on about nothing when they do manage to get more than 2 words out of him.

Contrast him with someone like Steve Valiquette, who understands analytics, picks out great plays to talk about, connects different moments together throughout a game or season to create "narratives" etc. and you can see a huge difference in quality. Valiquette can make a 60 second segment sound significant and spark conversation online. Nothing Gretzky says requires any further examination or reveals a single insight.

Just because you're a good player doesn't mean that you're fit to be a TV analyst. Gretzky, Messier, and Chelios - all three are only there for their reps as players rather than their ability as analysts. And that's fine, but to me, it prioritizes the wrong thing and makes for a crappier broadcast.

Heck, I'd take the dumb takes of Mike Milbury over these guys, because at least Milbury had takes, ignorant as they may be. Gretzky literally doesn't share any opinions about anything happening ever.

You have to prioritize what is right for the medium. Big names CAN and likely DID bring in new viewers to watch the national broadcasts. But those big names without the personalities to back them up CANNOT make those new viewers FANS of the game.

Compare that with someone like Michael Strahan when providing analysis on NFL games. This dude was a major market defensive all star for the game, and is 100% made for TV. His personality is huge and bombastic. When Gronk did pre-game coverage, he wasn't super insightful but he also had a ton of fun with it. Gretzky looks, to me, like a wallflower and an old man in comparison to guys like these.
 
Not once did I mention the word rental, but either reading comprehension isn't your strong suit or you just like being intentionally obtuse to create friction.

Oh, so you're talking about emptying the prospect pool for a young cost controlled 1B center, then? Cool, we agree.

If you're talking JT Miller though, that's a terrible idea.

Let's agree to stop replying to one another. We have completely different ideas of how to improve this roster & you just wanna argue for the sake of arguing, while putting words in my mouth.

I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your stand on renting at the deadline is well documented whether you mentioned it in the last few posts or not, hence it's fair to assume where you are heading when you argue that trading three of our top assets wouldn't be emptying the cupboard.

I'm not agreeing to anything. Message boards are for arguing. If everyone agrees then it's an echo chamber.

It's nice to resolve arguments as well instead of having them go around and around but that's the occupational hazard of being a forum participant.
 
Are we really concerned with the prospect pool rankings when the NHL roster is the 3rd youngest in the league?

Absolutely, I am. We are an incomplete NHL roster with limited cap room to fix things via free agency. On top of that, not only are the Hurricanes a better on-ice team than us right now but they have a better farm system as well.

My philosophy is 100% against the idea of "let's build a 'good enough,' team and then hope to ride the hot goaltender to a Cup." That's loser talk. That's what you got with Hank for a decade. We SHOULD be trying to build a powerhouse. We aren't going to be able to build a Pittsburgh-like dynasty because we lack a Malkin and a Crosby, but there are other templates that can get us there.

As I've said many times, we cut off the rebuild too early. We needed to push it another year or so, just one more deadline of selling and one more draft with high picks. We needed (need) to get like 2-3 more high end forwards, especially with Lias busting and Kravtsov bouncing.

Yes, we are very concerned with our prospect pool. Our forward depth is a flashing red warning sign that we aren't good enough long term to get over the hump.

And a 3 for 1 trade for a guy like JT Miller does greatly improve our depth over the next 2 years, especially when all 3 assets (Nils/Krav/1st) are either blocked or unrealistic to contribute in the near term.

I don't disagree with dealing a blocked player like Nils (even though I do dispute the nature of him being blocked, as I think Trouba doesn't see the end of his contract here which therefore opens a RD spot for Nils).

I disagree with the return being a year and a half rental. Or whatever term you want to use, if not rental. Miller would be gone in 2 playoff runs.

I like Arthur Staples' most recent article - the emergence of Lafreniere and the pending return of Kakko hopefully pushes them off the need for a top 6 rental and more to the realm of middle 6 cheaper options.

The next 2 seasons this team has a great chance to do serious damage in the playoffs. How many games do they have to go nose to nose with other contenders and win before we can trade a prospect or a pick? Because as of right now, Drury hasnt traded any of the fruits of the rebuild, despite how much you irrationally hate him.

We can trade prospects and picks, just not the top ones who fill future needs here, or who can be turned into pieces who do.

If VAN wont budge on their ask of Schneider, we move on and save Nils & the 1st rounder for the summer, when both absolutely will be traded. Kravtsov & the 2 2nd rounders will both surely be traded, for rentals or otherwise, and the writing is on the wall with Chytil as well.

Right, but as Staple suggests, this summer they move Nils and the first for a long term piece.

That's way more acceptable.

Three for ones are still bad ideas for us at this point though, unless we're getting a really, really attractive piece back.

The fans have also been plenty patient. Adding a veteran top 6 center does much more good than harm for this team. Othmann/Cuylle/Berard/Robertson are all still around. We'll survive a 3 for 1 trade.

Survive, yes. Thrive? Probably not if it's for rentals.

And this fan base has been the opposite of patient. It has never endured a full long term rebuild and didn't even have the patience to see this one through.

It loves it's long term mediocrity instead of building a championship team. Cuylle/Berard/Robertson are not enough to bring aboard needed young top 6 forwards.
 
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Not so sure about that. Let’s see the next time they are on TNT.
Yeah I’ll take that bet.

I’m not trying to fight w you or anything I just don’t get where ur post comes from.

There are a billion on air talent who hatebash us but he’s not one of them.

Aim your vitriol at the guy w a 1994 ring who wanted to play more over the Messiers, Graves’ and Kovalevs of the world… Since he felt he was black aced… I mean black balled lol (Eddie O)
 
Oh, so you're talking about emptying the prospect pool for a young cost controlled 1B center, then? Cool, we agree.

If you're talking JT Miller though, that's a terrible idea.



I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your stand on renting at the deadline is well documented whether you mentioned it in the last few posts or not, hence it's fair to assume where you are heading when you argue that trading three of our top assets wouldn't be emptying the cupboard.

I'm not agreeing to anything. Message boards are for arguing. If everyone agrees then it's an echo chamber.

It's nice to resolve arguments as well instead of having them go around and around but that's the occupational hazard of being a forum participant.

You're just trolling at this point. Here's some screenshots of my prior posts showing my stance on renting. I've been consistent that this team should use some of its assets to add to this year's roster. If you think this year's first is off the table, that's fine, but I'm going to believe that pick is in play as is our 2nd rounder. If you think those are depleting our prospect pool or you're more concerned about our ranking in the Athletic, we're going to be on opposite sides of the aisle indefinitely.

Now, would I make a deal for JT Miller, yes, if the right deal presents itself & Schneider isn't part of the return. However, I don't consider him a rental, when A, he'll be here for at least 2 playoff runs & B, I believe they would look to move out salary in order to keep him long term if he's a fit.

Again, you're free to disagree, but stop being so f***ing self righteous & stop calling me a liar. My position on this hasn't wavered at all, but you're free to search my post history & show me where I've contradicted myself.



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Yeah I’ll take that bet.

I’m not trying to fight w you or anything I just don’t get where ur post comes from.

There are a billion on air talent who hatebash us but he’s not one of them.

Aim your vitriol at the guy w a 1994 ring who wanted to play more over the Messiers, Graves’ and Kovalevs of the world… Since he felt he was black aced… I mean black balled lol (Eddie O)

His issue should be with the lunatic, egomaniacal head coach who lasted one season here before going full scorched earth, not the organization itself.
 
You're just trolling at this point.

I don't think you know what that term means.

Here's some screenshots of my prior posts showing my stance on renting. I've been consistent that this team should use some of its assets to add to this year's roster. If you think this year's first is off the table, that's fine, but I'm going to believe that pick is in play as is our 2nd rounder. If you think those are depleting our prospect pool or you're more concerned about our ranking in the Athletic, we're going to be on opposite sides of the aisle indefinitely.

So you would be opposed to trading Nils, Krav, and a first for a player who is not long term?

This includes JT Miller.
 
I am sooo sorry, didn't mean that viciously. Was joking with you. Yeah, this damned Covey thing, threw everyone for a loop. Except for the extremely introverted people that HATE people and would prefer to be alone and as distant from people as possible.
Being HOME all the time isnt all its cracked up to be. My Godchild gained prob 100lbs. doing the same. Boredom creeps in. Told her to start smoking, lol.
It's fine, no worries. My department at work went to FT remote permanently, I actually don't mind working from home. Without getting into specifics, my role has morphed due to reorganizations and my boss is an idiot, and the leadership (a regime of predominantly new people) is ignorant of my skill set. The only things keeping me around are the remote work, flexwork schedule and being paid fairly handsomely.
 
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I actually don't mind working from home. Without getting into specifics, my role has morphed due to reorganizations and my boss is an idiot, and the leadership is ignorant of my skill set. The only things keeping me around are the remote work, flexwork schedule and being paid fairly handsomely.
can relate
 
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Yeah I’ll take that bet.

I’m not trying to fight w you or anything I just don’t get where ur post comes from.

There are a billion on air talent who hatebash us but he’s not one of them.

Aim your vitriol at the guy w a 1994 ring who wanted to play more over the Messiers, Graves’ and Kovalevs of the world… Since he felt he was black aced… I mean black balled lol (Eddie O)
No fight , just an opinion.
No vitriol or anger, just a feeling and maybe a vibe.
I do get that from Eddie O also
 
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Fans trying to invalidate his opinion by calling his career "forgettable" is one of the many things that's wrong with hockey culture. This notion that only star players have a valid opinion is terrible.

I honestly think Gretzky is an empty shell on that TNT broadcast, and he's the best player ever. A good player doesn't automatically make a good coach/GM/pundit etc.

Gretzky does seem to be getting more comfortable. Imagine how much of a shell he must have had to develop since he was deemed a superstar as a young teen. He might work out, given time.
 
Gretzky draws viewers because it's Gretzky. Same with Messier and Chelios on the ESPN+ broadcast. I'm not saying they are bad at analyzing the game because they're good players, but more the opposite that being a good player isn't a guarantee.

If I were a casual fan, I would tune in for Gretzky, but Anson Carter's ability to analyze the game, for me at least, outweighs what Gretzky brings to the broadcast. And when I hear people just moving Carter's quotes aside because "He had a forgettable career" I just roll my eyes because it's a very short-sighted response IMO.

I can't imagine there's a bunch of people who tune in because Gretzky is on television.
 
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