Confirmed with Link: Buch traded to STL for Blais + 2nd (2022)

[patnyrnyg]

I think a lot of people are overreacting. Do I think they should have got a little more? Yes. But, they have 2 cheaper younger RW's to play top-6. What they do not have is a real 3rd and 4th line. Gallant said he does not want to play young players on the bottom-6 if that is not their game. So, they are trading an excess top-6 RW and bringing in a need, a legit bottom-6 guy who can actually play the role. Just wish they got more than a 2nd with him.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I don't think it's a matter of defending the trade. Value wise, it's a stinker.

It's the pushback against people who are suicidal and saying they won't watch the Rangers this year over it.

Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kakko
Kreider - Chytil - Kravtsov
Barron - Rooney - Blais

Goodrow is replacing Blackwell. Kakko is going into his third year after being #2 OA. He's the one who is "replacing" Buch. Kravtsov is basically replacing Gauthier/Howden/DiGiuseppe. Ditto Blais. If Laf, KK, Chytil OR Krav breaks out, we're already better than last year, and more diverse and defensively sound. If a few of them take steps forward, we're very good.


Let's look at it this way:

Kreider/Zib/Buch = Kreider/Zib/Kakko
Panarin/Strome/Blackwell = Panarin/Strome/Goodrow
Lafreniere/Chytil/Gauthier = Lafreniere/Chytil/Kravtsov
Lemiuex/DiGiueseppe/Rooney/Howden = Blais/Rooney/Gauthier/Barron

Goodrow is upgrade on Blackwell. Blais is an upgrade on Lemieux/DiGiussepe/Howden. Kravstov is an upgrade on Gauthier. Can Kakko step up and START to fill Buch's shoes? Can Laf/Chytil/Krav also take steps forward? If yes, we're improved.

If we did nothing but sign FAs to fill out holes we are a better team next year. We over paid for Goodrow and gave away Buch for pennies on the dollar.

I am not saying I won't watch but as a fan I am not happy with these moves. Drury is off to a terrible start. These 2 moves are not good moves valuewise.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Unfortunately, just because the Flyers let themselves get ripped off, it doesn't mean the other 30 teams will follow suit.

Just because the flyers got ripped off doesn't mean we need to follow. That's more appropriate.

 

[smoneil]

You ever heard of Artemi Panarin?

He forgot about him while he was counting all the unhatched chickens.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You don’t think if there was a better offer that Drury would have taken the better offer?

Better offer is subjective. I can see them going with Blais over a better player because muh #toffness.

 

[will1066]

Buchnevich is very good. I see the potential for 70 points and 200-foot play with an edge.

That being said, if Kaapo Kakko isn't doing that in two years, then we have problems that Buchnevich wasn't fixing.

It's a cap league. By the time he signs with the Blues, we will have added Blais and Goodrow while shedding salary.

I wanted more value, but we don't know what picks and prospects teams were willing to part with. Bringing back NHL talent would have defeated the purpose of reducing salary.

I must be getting old. I'm a conscience on here now.

And our moral compass

 

[egelband]

I’m seeing a lot of people calling Buchnevich a play-driver. I always saw him as a complementary player. A good one and lately a very complete one. But his line is never “The Buchnevich Line”.

 

[Machinehead]

And our moral compass

Let's not get crazy now

 

[DutchShamrock]

You do realize several of these prospects will have to be moved, correct? You can only dress 18 skaters each night.

I get that. It doesn't mean we should just piss them away for awful value. Someone had a great analogy before. It's like Jeff Bezos paying $8 for a candy bar.

I had Buchnevich pegged to leave for a while now. I'm not mad he was traded. I'm not even mad in general. I'm just concerned we are going to do the same stupid New York Ranger things the New York Rangers have done for decades.

 

[2014nyr]

Isnt it in 22?

I like the positivity. Needed. But not getting a star in the 2nd.

ah you're right on the pick. still good value but i'd love more picks in those 2/3/4 rounds this year.

i do think this year stars will be found into the middle rounds. these kids have missed so much hockey. its impact is both in the pure lack of tape for scouts to go off of. but on the other side, development is all about rate of change in progress - and obviously the 2 years leading up to the draft are critical years for it. there's been so much disruption to that progress its going to create some unexpected outcomes out of the draft. i'd guess there's going to be an unusually large group that emerges post 1st round from this years class that become extremely good players / stars.

and there's tons of stars around the league drafted 2nd round or later - the reigning norris winner was a 3rd rounder. sure its far less common, but they're out there. and this year in particular i expect there to be some volume to the group.

 

[AWall THE CLAW]

I’m seeing a lot of people calling Buchnevich a play-driver. I always saw him as a complementary player. A good one and lately a very complete one. But his line is never “The Buchnevich Line”.

He is a complementary player. The overreaction is ridiculous, but expected.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch!

 

[SRHRangers]

I think a lot of people are overreacting. Do I think they should have got a little more? Yes. But, they have 2 cheaper younger RW's to play top-6. What they do not have is a real 3rd and 4th line. Gallant said he does not want to play young players on the bottom-6 if that is not their game. So, they are trading an excess top-6 RW and bringing in a need, a legit bottom-6 guy who can actually play the role. Just wish they got more than a 2nd with him.

You don't take first line talent to acquire bottom 6 help.

It's horrific asset management.

Reality here.

After all the salaries in the Totes/Van deal..... Garland got more value in a deal than Buch.

That's f***ing embarrassing.

 

[SRHRangers]

Think Drury needs to go into concussion protocol.

He took too many shots in the head to be a GM.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I knew Buch was gone and I was fine with it. My only issue is the return is very light

 

[Guyute]

I'm sorry, and I love Buch as much as the next guy, but that dude has no edge whatsoever. He's Charmin ultrasoft soft on the puck. Still a great 2-way player though.

 

[smoneil]

I’m seeing a lot of people calling Buchnevich a play-driver. I always saw him as a complementary player. A good one and lately a very complete one. But his line is never “The Buchnevich Line”.

I was the one who used that term, and it was based on the fact that his line never seems to be the problem (regardless of which line he's on) and based on a chart one of the stat crew here posted a few times a while back showing that whatever line Buch was on, his linemates played better with him than without.

I have no problem with the idea of moving Buchnevich. It was always going to be a gamble because we literally can't say whether we have a single legit top 6 RW on the roster right now (we can hope and we can speculate, but at the end of the day, our best RW has a career high of 24 points). My concern is that we didn't need to move Buch right now. If this was the best offer, then turn it down, sign him for a year or two RFA and see what the offers look like at the TDL. By that point, we would have a better sense of what we have in Kakko and Kravtsov. Moving him now was worth the gamble if we were getting the return on an all situations 1st line winger. The return we were offered was shit. We should have stepped back and reassessed.

 

[mas0764]

I knew Buch was gone and I was fine with it. My only issue is the return is very light

Thats pretty much everybody’s take.

 

[SRHRangers]

And let's get to the root of all this.

f*** YOU DOLAN for meddling with this organization.

f***ing rat faced cheese eating trust fund baby that can't play music.

 

[will1066]

Let's not get crazy now

Honestly, it's too late.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Thats pretty much everybody’s take.

I understand that…

 

[wafflepadsave]

More moves are definitely on the radar.

I think for better or worse Drury has vision for what he wants the bottom six to be and I think he's going to make some of those Amonte for Matteau/Noonan type moves we've discussed on here.

The concern for me right now is that Drury, from most reports, has kind of taken an isolationist approach thus far. Maybe that works for him. We will see.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Jake Bean to Columbus for a 2nd round pick per EF

damn it wrong thread

 

[egelband]

I guess - I hope - the Rangers see something in Blais that made them willing to overpay for him.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Everything is polar narratives. Can hardly say anything that wont fire up one side of the debate.

+ It solves the log jam on RW. Kaapo's time to step tf (!) up here and now.

+ more cap space (yay?)

- team chemistry. I'll be a believer in it to my death. Many players will be heartbroken. (but it's pro business and who give af, but there will be some dent)

- the trade value sucks major [REDACTED]