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Confirmed with Link: Buch traded to STL for Blais + 2nd (2022)

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I feel like the same fans who are defending the Buch trade are doing the same thing when we traded MCD. Sure we all knew Buch was going to be traded but its inexcusable to get this return. Risto got a 1st and is not half the player Buch is. I am not even a Buch fan but this is terrible. Could of got Blias for a 3rd round pick.
 
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Im not sure what's available center wise to me it would seem the obvious is Eichel but I would not be shocked if the rangers walk away with Monohan or Kusnetsov this evening as plans B & C. I just don't see any other centers truly available with experience. While a coke head Kusnetsov has a cup and tons of playoff experience and Monohan has just playoff experience.

They are not going for a young non proven potential type otherwise they would roll with Chytll.
 
Flan the incredible said:
I feel like the same fans who are defending the Buch trade are doing the same thing when we traded MCD. Sure we all knew Buch was going to be traded but its inexcusable to get this return. Risto got a 1st and is not half the player Buch is. I am not even a Buch fan but this is terrible. Could of got Blias for a 3rd round pick.
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I don't think it's a matter of defending the trade. Value wise, it's a stinker.

It's the pushback against people who are suicidal and saying they won't watch the Rangers this year over it.

Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kakko
Kreider - Chytil - Kravtsov
Barron - Rooney - Blais

Goodrow is replacing Blackwell. Kakko is going into his third year after being #2 OA. He's the one who is "replacing" Buch. Kravtsov is basically replacing Gauthier/Howden/DiGiuseppe. Ditto Blais. If Laf, KK, Chytil OR Krav breaks out, we're already better than last year, and more diverse and defensively sound. If a few of them take steps forward, we're very good.


Let's look at it this way:

Kreider/Zib/Buch = Kreider/Zib/Kakko

Panarin/Strome/Blackwell = Panarin/Strome/Goodrow

Lafreniere/Chytil/Gauthier = Lafreniere/Chytil/Kravtsov

Lemiuex/DiGiueseppe/Rooney/Howden = Blais/Rooney/Gauthier/Barron

Goodrow is upgrade on Blackwell. Blais is an upgrade on Lemieux/DiGiussepe/Howden. Kravstov is an upgrade on Gauthier. Can Kakko step up and START to fill Buch's shoes? Can Laf/Chytil/Krav also take steps forward? If yes, we're improved.
 
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Loki Dog 74 said:
I don't think it's a matter of defending the trade. Value wise, it's a stinker.

It's the pushback against people who are suicidal and saying they won't watch the Rangers this year over it.

Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kakko
Kreider - Chytil - Kravtsov
Barron - Rooney - Blais

Goodrow is replacing Blackwell. Kakko is going into his third year after being #2 OA. He's the one who is "replacing" Buch. Kravtsov is basically replacing Gauthier/Howden/DiGiuseppe. Ditto Blais. If Laf, KK, Chytil OR Krav breaks out, we're already better than last year, and more diverse and defensively sound. If a few of them take steps forward, we're very good.


Let's look at it this way:

Kreider - Zib - Buch = Kreider - Zib - Kakko
Panarin - Strome - Blackwell = Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Lafreniere - Chytil - Gauthier = Lafreniere - Chytil - Kravtsov
Lemiuex/DiGiueseppe - Rooney - Howden = Blais - Rooney - Gauthier/Barron
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goodrow on the first line? That’s not good
 
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Buchnevich is very good. I see the potential for 70 points and 200-foot play with an edge.

That being said, if Kaapo Kakko isn't doing that in two years, then we have problems that Buchnevich wasn't fixing.

It's a cap league. By the time he signs with the Blues, we will have added Blais and Goodrow while shedding salary.

I wanted more value, but we don't know what picks and prospects teams were willing to part with. Bringing back NHL talent would have defeated the purpose of reducing salary.

I must be getting old. I'm a conscience on here now.
 
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I won't try to make this trade look any better than it is but I do really like Blais. The guy hits everything on the ice and has more skill than he's given credit for. If Rags fans can look at him without thinking of this trade they'll at least appreciate what he brings. But ya, I think we are all shocked on both sides Buch didn't return more.
 
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Dijock94 said:
goodrow on the first line? That’s not good
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Like Blackwell? Or Fast?

That's what Panarin likes. He's one of the most effective players in the NHL since coming here and that's what works for him. People get so caught up with "you need 1st line talent on the 1st line!!" but that's not how it really works. Many teams spread it out. Put bangers and grinders with the offensive talent to bring energy, create room and turnovers, provide some defensiveness and spread the talent across 3 or 4 lines instead of loading up 1 or 2.
 
Machinehead said:
Buchnevich is very good. I see the potential for 70 points and 200-foot play with an edge.

That being said, if Kaapo Kakko isn't doing that in two years, then we have problems that Buchnevich wasn't fixing.

It's a cap league. By the time he signs with the Blues, we will have added Blais and Goodrow while shedding salary.

I wanted more value, but we don't know what picks and prospects teams were willing to part with. Bringing back NHL talent would have defeated the purpose of reducing salary.

I must be getting old. I'm a conscience on here now.
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The corpse of Risto just got 13ov plus, and Drury sold Buch for 45 cents on the dollar.

He's a hack.
 
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Loki Dog 74 said:
The over reactions in here are pretty amazing.

The return is underwhelming. The roster is still moving in the exact direction we expected/wanted. We knew Buch was going. We just didn't know if it would be a package for a center or for futures to make cap space. Turns out, it was the latter, but we got bad value on the futures. Doesn't change the fact that we knew Buch wouldn't be on our wing this year. Blais will be a great bottom six guy for us. The 2nd is underwhelming. A 1st and no one is complaining. The "I don't wanna watch Drury's Rangers" posts are silly. I expect we're a better team this year. If you're here posting in late July, you're definitely going to be here next March when we're sitting in a playoff spot.
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You are probably right about the overreaction. Here's the thing. I thought it was an overreaction when Gorton got fired and people were saying Sather is pulling the strings again. I didn't agree with the sentiment that we would go back to the old ways of overpaying for stars, speed up the process, and bail on our prospects

It's hard to deny those calls now. The return was bad because everyone knows Drury has this other move in the works. He's hell bent on adding a star, presumably Eichel. Which will cost prospects. And we are obsessed with addressing a single, post whistle scrum with the loosest cannon in the league.

It's not necessarily the return, it's the implication.
 
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I think Laf moving to RW and Blais sliding over to the left wing is certainly a possibility in that scenario.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Kreider start the year at RW while we find out where Kakko and Krav slot.
 
Flan the incredible said:
I feel like the same fans who are defending the Buch trade are doing the same thing when we traded MCD. Sure we all knew Buch was going to be traded but its inexcusable to get this return. Risto got a 1st and is not half the player Buch is. I am not even a Buch fan but this is terrible. Could of got Blias for a 3rd round pick.
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Unfortunately, just because the Flyers let themselves get ripped off, it doesn't mean the other 30 teams will follow suit.
 
NYSPORTS said:
dislike the Buch deal but, hey, Fox for nothing, Panarin for only cash and two draft lotteries.
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Another example of asset management that Drury crashed and burn worse than me in high school hitting on college girls.

Thank God I went out to dinner before I heard of this news.
 
DutchShamrock said:
You are probably right about the overreaction. Here's the thing. I thought it was an overreaction when Gorton got fired and people were saying Sather is pulling the strings again. I didn't agree with the sentiment that we would go back to the old ways of overpaying for stars, speed up the process, and bail on our prospects

It's hard to deny those calls now. The return was bad because everyone knows Drury has this other move in the works. He's hell bent on adding a star, presumably Eichel. Which will cost prospects. And we are obsessed with addressing a single, post whistle scrum with the loosest cannon in the league.

It's not necessarily the return, it's the implication.
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You do realize several of these prospects will have to be moved, correct? You can only dress 18 skaters each night.
 
Baby Punisher said:
Kratzov made Buch expendable. I
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I'm as high on Kravtsov's potential as anyone, but a 21 year old player with 20 games and 4 points on his resume doesn't make a 1st line RW expendable. They are gambling that Krav/Kakk can make the leap. Based on both players' body of work the last couple years, it's a BIG gamble.
 
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