Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals V

[Tmac37]

Schenn would be a good get, he and Debrusk are very similar I find.

 

[veganbruin]

Rick Nash sighting

Going to happen

Where what?

 

[Gordoff]

 

[wintersej]

No thanks to this. Seems like an overpayment for Stepan. Adding either Bjork/Heinen for Fischer is overkill. Stepan is paid 1.25M more than Krug, and while he's signed for an extra year, over the last 2 seasons Krug gives you the same production on the back end.

And how do you protect Krug and our bottom 6 against Toronto and Tampa on the road? Moving Krug certainly mutes one of the Bruins strengths, their PP. And you will miss Krug at 4 on 4 and 3 on 3. But moving out Krug and bringing in Stepan drastically reduces the amount of unfavorable matchups the Bruins are exposed to in the playoffs on the road. I say this as someone that thinks Krug deserves a letter on his jersey. Just feel a LOT better about Bergeron, Krejci and Stepan against Matthews, Tavares and Kadri or Stamkos, Point, Cirelli and Paquette.

I think the bigger question would be if AZ would be interested in Krug as a primary piece for their #1C. And the answer is probably not.

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

Not really interested in Stepan or Brassard. Namestnikov or Schenn, that’s about it.

 

[HeartsAlive]

How much are we adding to Heinen or Bjork to get Toffoli out of LA? I know its not a sexy add, but to me those two are too similar. I think there would be value in bringing in another shoot first guy. Toffoli has more shots this year than those 2 combined, and from the right side. I know their ceilings are basically Toffoli, so you might as well reap the cheap years while they get there. But he should have a higher floor than either for the rest of the season and is signed for next year as well.

 

[veganbruin]

Not really interested in Stepan or Brassard. Namestnikov or Schenn, that’s about it.

Only Stepan if the cost is low, which I imagine it won’t be.

 

[wintersej]

I just don't think Krug has that much value. He's a bottom pairing PP specialist. That's just reality. Huge detriment 5on5. Take away his PP point he gets by standing there and touching the puck and his incidental assists and I'm not sure he gets you more goals than he costs you. Makes 5 million and only has another year after this. And if I'm St Louis I want to find anyway I can to get into the 1st round this year/ dump money and get a cost controlled roster player.

He is elite on the PP. And 4 on 4. Those things would be SORELY missed. Since Krug joined the Bruins full-time they have had a top THREE power play in the NHL. Long gone are the days of "can we just decline this power play?". The Bruins power play is a very real part of their offense. The Bruins right now are 26th in 5 on 5 goals. They are tied for 4th in PP goals. Krug is a big part of that and Gryz just does not have the threat of a shot that Krug has to keep the PK honest.

But I think his 5 on 5 offense is overrated around here. Over last year and this year he has 23 5 on 5 points. That is one more than Jamie Oleksiak and one less than Olli Maata. One more than Jonas Brodin and two less than Darnell Nurse. There is obviously more to defenseman's offensive contributions than points. Look at Gryz. But, this isn't the Bruins D of Chara, Boychuk, Siedenberg and McQuaid. A lot of guys can move the puck.

I both want to give Krug a letter on his jersey and a long term deal... and think that he really might be the teams best asset to move.

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

Only Stepan if the cost is low, which I imagine it won’t be.

I don’t think he’s that good. I thought he was overrated when on NYR and still is. I guess if he was cheap but even then I’d rather stay as is.

Last year Brassard was considered a sort of big fish and some people were like, “Wow, Pitt got him!” It was very confusing.

If the cost for either includes Krug, eff that.

 

[McGarnagle]

When's the Christmas roster freeze?

 

[BruinDust]

Only Stepan if the cost is low, which I imagine it won’t be.

The cost would probably be prohibitive. I recall when Arizona traded for Stepan at the draft their GM basically saying he really liked Stepan and had been badgering the Rangers for a long time about dealing him to the Coyotes.

And Arizona isn't really a "rebuilding" team anymore. They made the moves to bring in Stepan, Hjallmarsson, and Raanta to get better now. They had one of the league's better records last season from Feb. onward. They've extended their best D-man in OEL. They are a budget team with a pretty significant amount of money tied up on left-side defenders after this season (almost $19 million commited to OEL, Goligoski, and Chychrun). Not to mention Hjalmarsson who plays a lot of RD but is also a left-shot guy.

Meanwhile Stepan's numbers aren't spectacular but he's 1st among Coyotes F in ice time, 1st in PP time, 2nd among forwards in SH time. So he's a pretty important player for them.

So I'm not really sure how dealing for 2-years of Krug in exchange for 3-years of Stepan really helps the Coyotes now or moving forward. And I don't see why they would move him for a package of picks and prospects at this stage.

 

[Mainehockey33]

He is elite on the PP. And 4 on 4. Those things would be SORELY missed. Since Krug joined the Bruins full-time they have had a top THREE power play in the NHL. Long gone are the days of "can we just decline this power play?". The Bruins power play is a very real part of their offense. The Bruins right now are 26th in 5 on 5 goals. They are tied for 4th in PP goals. Krug is a big part of that and Gryz just does not have the threat of a shot that Krug has to keep the PK honest.

But I think his 5 on 5 offense is overrated around here. Over last year and this year he has 23 5 on 5 points. That is one more than Jamie Oleksiak and one less than Olli Maata. One more than Jonas Brodin and two less than Darnell Nurse. There is obviously more to defenseman's offensive contributions than points. Look at Gryz. But, this isn't the Bruins D of Chara, Boychuk, Siedenberg and McQuaid. A lot of guys can move the puck.

I both want to give Krug a letter on his jersey and a long term deal... and think that he really might be the teams best asset to move.

You’re right that Krug is the main reason the power play is so good, and before Krug we had a bad PP. I wonder if we’d need the power play to be top 3 in the league if we had Bergeron, Krejci, and Schenn down the middle. Before Krug joined the team we were dominant 5 on 5 and didn’t need the power play to be top of the league to create offense.

I wonder if getting a player like Schenn would boost the teams 5 on 5 play enough to offset the switch from a Krug led PP to a Grzelcyk or Mcavoy PP.

The Krejci line has shown glimpses of dominant 5 on 5 play recently and we know the Bergeron line is capable, imagine if we had Schenn on the 3rd line dominating matchups?

 

[wintersej]

You’re right that Krug is the main reason the power play is so good, and before Krug we had a bad PP. I wonder if we’d need the power play to be top 3 in the league if we had Bergeron, Krejci, and Schenn down the middle. Before Krug joined the team we were dominant 5 on 5 and didn’t need the power play to be top of the league to create offense.

I wonder if getting a player like Schenn would boost the teams 5 on 5 play enough to offset the switch from a Krug led PP to a Grzelcyk or Mcavoy PP.

The Krejci line has shown glimpses of dominant 5 on 5 play recently and we know the Bergeron line is capable, imagine if we had Schenn on the 3rd line dominating matchups?

From the opposite POV, what teams are most likely to be interested in sacrificing some 5 on 5 play to help the PP?

From an xGF point of view, the Canucks and the Coyotes are off the charts brutal. By actual PP% the Hawks and Kings are really bad. The Coyotes are the 8th worst by %.

The Blues are pretty average on the PP by xGF and by actual conversion. Is that the team that is going to be dying for Krug? I dunno.

 

[NeelyDan]

Torey can't catch a break up in here.

 

[sarge88]

I’ve always liked Dzingel.

I know LW isn’t a priority, but he could be a sneaky good get.

Maybe DeBrusk can move to RW (it seems like a lot of his good rushes originate from the RW anyway).

Dzingel has 10 goals already this year, I think he kills penalties too.

 

[veganbruin]

I’ve always liked Dzingel.

I know LW isn’t a priority, but he could be a sneaky good get.

Maybe DeBrusk can move to RW (it seems like a lot of his good rushes originate from the RW anyway).

Dzingel has 10 goals already this year, I think he kills penalties too.

I like the player don’t get me wrong but we reeeeeeallly need Right handed players.

 

[DKH]

Where what?

 

[veganbruin]

Dang, that probably means he’s making some type of decision, whether it be retirement or looking to continue playing. Would surely be welcome back.

 

[Absurdity]

When's the Christmas roster freeze?

Dec. 18 at 11:59 p.m. to Dec. 27 at 12:01 a.m

 

[chizzler]

Yes I agree he's not great on his signing and trade record but that Hamilton trade now paying dividends. Lauzon and JFK are for real. Let's give Donny a dollar tip for that.

I this for real? Another 180 from your rants.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I this for real? Another 180 from your rants.

His trolling is new level stuff.

 

[sarge88]

I like the player don’t get me wrong but we reeeeeeallly need Right handed players.

No argument here...RH/RW is definitely where I’d start....but if there’s nothing available, he’d be a good pick up.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Not really interested in Stepan or Brassard. Namestnikov or Schenn, that’s about it.

Stepan >> Namestnikov

I doubt Schenn is available.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say any deal involving Krug/Schenn is going to have to include the Bruins taking another contract back in an expanded deal.

The Blues have less then 400K in LTIR space left. That becomes less then $300K in a straight up Krug/Schenn deal.

They have a couple of contracts they probably wish they could get out of, but they are also restricted with NTC/NMC.

Doable? Sure it is. But the proposals are going to have to be more creative and take everything into account. Like how would a potential deal make room for the Blues to do something creative on trade deadline. A Krug/Schenn deal doesn't help that. In fact, it hinders it.

Dom, the Blues are kind of a dumpster fire this year, no? Can't see them doing anything at the deadline other than dumping contracts and stocking up on picks & prospects ala the Rangers last year. That's what it seems to me like they should be doing anyway. With that said, does trading Schenn for Krug even make sense for them given their current situation? if they were looking to move Schenn I'd have to think they'd be looking for loads of futures, not for a hockey deal involving a guy with similar age & contract status who may not even help them in their current predicament.

 

[wintersej]

The cost would probably be prohibitive. I recall when Arizona traded for Stepan at the draft their GM basically saying he really liked Stepan and had been badgering the Rangers for a long time about dealing him to the Coyotes.

And Arizona isn't really a "rebuilding" team anymore. They made the moves to bring in Stepan, Hjallmarsson, and Raanta to get better now. They had one of the league's better records last season from Feb. onward. They've extended their best D-man in OEL. They are a budget team with a pretty significant amount of money tied up on left-side defenders after this season (almost $19 million commited to OEL, Goligoski, and Chychrun). Not to mention Hjalmarsson who plays a lot of RD but is also a left-shot guy.

Meanwhile Stepan's numbers aren't spectacular but he's 1st among Coyotes F in ice time, 1st in PP time, 2nd among forwards in SH time. So he's a pretty important player for them.

So I'm not really sure how dealing for 2-years of Krug in exchange for 3-years of Stepan really helps the Coyotes now or moving forward. And I don't see why they would move him for a package of picks and prospects at this stage.

Goligoski mostly played RD for them.