Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals/Rumours '17 - '18 II (post 'em here)

[BruinDust]

I think I have decided I would rather bring big Joe Colbourne back. Big guy could center 3rd/4th line, could play wing. A LH draw who had been good on faceoff prior to this year. Loves to his people. Solid defensively. He brings some offence. He should be available at a reasonable price as Colorado is going nowhere

Joe Colborne didn't even crack the Colorado line-up out of training camp, was placed on and cleared waivers, and has been in the AHL all season.

Not sure he can do much to help this Bruins team, nor do I see where he would fit in.

 

[Kosikarzzz]

Does K.Miller play RHD and LHD? Pretty sure he us dual...but not sure. It's a good thing to have a player that can switch. Injuries force your hands.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if other GM's are calling Sweeney about Miller. They know that a d-man will have to come out of the lineup sooner then later. They won't trade Chara, McAvoy, Carlo or Krug.

That leaves Miller as the obvious choice for a trade. The Bruins may (or may not) want to move McQuaid, but Miller has a higher value to other teams.

I dunno, to me it's a no brainer he is who other GM's would be inquiring about.

 

[DominicT]

Kevan is starting to look like a younger version of Dennis Seidenberg. I know that they have too many NHL d-men but buys like him are priceless going into the playoffs. IF the B's were to consider trading him, what would you expect the price (coming back) would be Dom? Is there an equivalent LD that the Bruins would target to fill the impending need on the left side?

I'm not sure and I am not going to speculate. The only thing I've heard that involves the Bruins relates to prospects/picks - no roster players.

The point I was trying to make is this: The other 30 GM's around the league are looking at the Bruins roster and asking themselves who could be available? The obvious answer, with McQuaid almost ready to go is on the blue line. They know the Bruins are not about to trade one of their top 4. Gryz has no value to those teams as of right now (maybe no value isn't the right term? Maybe not as much value?) Too many questions with McQuaid so the obvious answer is Miller.

GM's are not stupid. They know the situation in Boston. They are not about to ask Sweeney about the Carlo's Krug's of the world. They are going to inquire about the guy they think the Bruins might deem expendable. I'm just surprised we have to be told about this.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Pittsburgh renting Hossa and NJ renting Kovalchuk (even though he did re-sign that summer as UFA) are probably the closest comparables in terms of renting legit superstar level players in the cap era.

Hossa deal was

#1 pick
A rapidly devaluaing first round prospect (Esposito)
2 3rd line guys (Armstrong and Christensen)

And pit got another NHL player in the deal (Pascal Dupuis)

Kovalchuk deal was
Rookie Nick Bergfors
Johnny Oduya
Patrice Cormier
#1


So in that value range you would be looking at something like
Spooner
DeBrusk
#1
(maybe a lesser prospect added)

 

[DominicT]

Does K.Miller play RHD and LHD? Pretty sure he us dual...but not sure. It's a good thing to have a player that can switch. Injuries force your hands.

Not sure what this has to do with my post but.....

Miller can play the left side, but he is not nearly as effective there. And the coaching staff likes d-men to play their strong side.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Pittsburgh renting Hossa and NJ renting Kovalchuk (even though he did re-sign that summer as UFA) are probably the closest comparables in terms of renting legit superstar level players in the cap era.

Good recall. Hossa and Dupuis were traded for Colby Armstrong, Eric Christenson, a prospect I’ve never heard of and a 1st. That makes my offer look reasonable.

 

[BruinsPortugal]

MOving Miller to accommodate a rusty and injury prone Mcquiad before the playoffs would be one of the dumbest decisions ever.
I believe Sweeney is a smart guy though.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Good recall. Hossa and Dupuis were traded for Colby Armstrong, Eric Christenson, a prospect I’ve never heard of and a 1st. That makes my offer look reasonable.

The Prospect you never heard of was Angelo Esposito, who entering his draft year was a clear cut #1 pick, and plummeted down to I think 19th in the draft, and whose value continued to plummet the next season to the point where he was traded 8 months later, and yes he was a complete bust

 

[DominicT]

MOving Miller to accommodate a rusty and injury prone Mcquiad before the playoffs would be one of the dumbest decisions ever.
I believe Sweeney is a smart guy though.

Just because rival GM's are calling, doesn't mean Sweeney isn't replying without a polite no

 

[BruinsPortugal]

Just because rival GM's are calling, doesn't mean Sweeney isn't replying without a polite no

Uff

Do they really need to move salary out to bring mcquaid from ir?? If they don’t I don’t think they need to do anything at This point.

If a guy like Tavares becomes available at the deadline, you try to get him and improve but otherwise I don’t see anyone really available that i’d Like to see here longterm (and maybe there are players out there that could be moved and we don’t know about).

 

[neelynugs]

Joe Colborne didn't even crack the Colorado line-up out of training camp, was placed on and cleared waivers, and has been in the AHL all season.

Not sure he can do much to help this Bruins team, nor do I see where he would fit in.

i know we're not seriously discussing colborne, but i do think he's been sidelined by post-concussion syndrome
for quite a while (he hasn't played much this year). lucky for him he got a nice contract and his dad is a bazillionaire,
so that's one issue he won't have.

 

[BostonBob]

I think I have decided I would rather bring big Joe Colbourne back. Big guy could center 3rd/4th line, could play wing. A LH draw who had been good on faceoff prior to this year. Loves to his people. Solid defensively. He brings some offence. He should be available at a reasonable price as Colorado is going nowhere

He's not even playing with Colorado - he's got 4 points ( 2 Goals + 2 Assists ) in 13 games playing in the AHL this season. As for providing any offense - 8 points with Colorado in 62 games last season says otherwise.

 

[DominicT]

Uff

Do they really need to move salary out to bring mcquaid from ir?? If they don’t I don’t think they need to do anything at This point.

If a guy like Tavares becomes available at the deadline, you try to get him and improve but otherwise I don’t see anyone really available that i’d Like to see here longterm (and maybe there are players out there that could be moved and we don’t know about).

No they don't. And they have the open roster spot for him with Cehlarik and Bjork having been sent down to Providence.

When looking for teams that have some decisions to make, look at the Wild.

They are on the bubble - on the outside looking in but are right there. They are at the 50 contract limit with two more on entry level slides. They have 71 players under their control with 8 more draft picks coming in 2018. Getting to close to the max allowed that teams want to operate at.

They have 14 contracts expiring that are RFA and another 9 that will be UFA.

There is a team that could potentially be moving out some bodies if they feel they are out of the race on February 26

 

[JoeIsAStud]

i know we're not seriously discussing colborne, but i do think he's been sidelined by post-concussion syndrome
for quite a while (he hasn't played much this year). lucky for him he got a nice contract and his dad is a bazillionaire,
so that's one issue he won't have.

I'll admit, looking at his stats, I think I thought this was his Colorado year, not last year. (getting old)

Never mind then. He has actually developed into a very strong player in Calgary, and if we could have gotten the 2015 version of him, that would have been an ideal pickup. Kid of course had good size, he had developed into a solid defensive player, contributor on offense, and a guy who piled up hits.

Oh well back to the drawing board, Would love to find that type of player

 

[JoeIsAStud]

I had looked at Minny. I'm just not convinced that any of the guys I would want, would be the guys they would move on from if they decide to deal

Niederreiter (I can't imagine him coming available)
Coyle (Maybe, but probably not)
Brodin (Maybe, but probably not)

On the other hand, definitely guys like Staal, Curren.

Maybe if they want to get bold they consider moving Koive to try and move away from the long term liability

 

[s3antana5757]

Your premise was to not give up a key NHL piece, and you included Heinen as one of the options to deal? This is incongruous.

Obviously this is a lot to give up for a player who can walk at the end of the year. At the same time it is 6 nickels for a quarter deal. What is the most valuable piece? The forward prospect? Maybe the #1. There are other teams who might be willing to give up bigger key pieces, and getting the best key pieces usually drive deals more than the most pieces.

I wouldn't call Heinen a key piece just yet. He's playing 3rd line LW. To me, the key pieces are Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta, Krejci, Chara, McAvoy, Rask, etc. He's great and I wouldn't want to move him, but we need to pump the brakes a little bit. He's played about 30 good NHL games. Not trying to knock Heinen at all, because he's been great and only getting better. Calling him a key piece is a bit early IMO.

I'm not sure how you could call the #1 the most valuable piece. They could potentially pick from two former 1st round picks that have had 2-3 years of development (Zboril, DeBrusk, etc.). You're getting a 50 point guy in Spooner, a choice of a young winger, choice of a young LHD, and some picks and maybe a center. This was also on the assumption that he would sign or was likely to sign.

 

[don]

Yes Miller has and can play LD. In fact, IMO, he did an outstanding job paired with Carlo. Would like to see it again. I would not trade any LD prospects this year because we are going to need to replace 2 soon; the one we're missing now and the one when Chara retires in a year or 3. I also still maintain that Krug in package give us the best return combined with the most CAP relief. Any trade we make should include him.

 

[neelynugs]

Yes Miller has and can play LD. In fact, IMO, he did an outstanding job paired with Carlo. Would like to see it again. I would not trade any LD prospects this year because we are going to need to replace 2 soon; the one we're missing now and the one when Chara retires in a year or 3. I also still maintain that Krug in package give us the best return combined with the most CAP relief. Any trade we make should include him.

i give you a lot of credit - you've been trying to trade him for years and stick to that line of thinking.
of course i don't agree with it at all, but to each his own.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Yes Miller has and can play LD. In fact, IMO, he did an outstanding job paired with Carlo. Would like to see it again. I would not trade any LD prospects this year because we are going to need to replace 2 soon; the one we're missing now and the one when Chara retires in a year or 3. I also still maintain that Krug in package give us the best return combined with the most CAP relief. Any trade we make should include him.

Any trade we make should include Krug? So for a forward as well? The only way moving Krug makes sense is if you're getting an upgrade at LHD back. You move him and you've just destroyed the left side of your defense for now and the near future. I'm sorry Miller up to the 2nd pairing, playing his off-side that he's not as strong on, isn't putting the Bruins in a position of strength.

 

[pkunit]

Yes Miller has and can play LD. In fact, IMO, he did an outstanding job paired with Carlo. Would like to see it again. I would not trade any LD prospects this year because we are going to need to replace 2 soon; the one we're missing now and the one when Chara retires in a year or 3. I also still maintain that Krug in package give us the best return combined with the most CAP relief. Any trade we make should include him.

Throw Bergy in there too!

Then think about the return, the cap relief and the golf.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Joe Colborne didn't even crack the Colorado line-up out of training camp, was placed on and cleared waivers, and has been in the AHL all season.

Not sure he can do much to help this Bruins team, nor do I see where he would fit in.

What happened to him? I know he didn't progress like we wanted him to, but seemedl ike he almost established himself as an NHLer for a couple seasons, then fall off a cliff.

Always thought we could have tried a Colborne for Hayes swap, but in the end same result, but maybe given us one less year of a buy out? (did they have almost identical contracts?)

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I stand by the belief, no rentals. We have plenty of vets and leadership, what we need is for the young kids to get experience, and that includes growing pains, and possibly losing short term, but gaining the playoff experience long term. Any rental vets are likely pushing a young kid out of the line up (or blocking another coming up). Staffords and Stempniak's of this world are good in their own right, but I don't want to see assets wasted nor playing time squandered for players that will actually be here beyond this season.

Can't find the original post, but someone else already said this.

Only moves I'd be interested in are, long term upgrades to Krug or Spooner. And/or Upgrading to a younger Krejci/Backes/McQuaid. These are likely off season moves, with possible subsequential deals moving around the roster, but I'm just not fan of the acquisitions or the results.

Too many assets we've given up with little or no long term return. With the way this team drafts, we should be holding onto picks like they are freakin' gold. And invest some of those assets later on into actual long term assets. Considering the plethora of talent we've gotten even in the top 4 rounds coming through the system, I trust the amateur scouts more than any of the pro scouts we've had.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

What happened to him? I know he didn't progress like we wanted him to, but seemedl ike he almost established himself as an NHLer for a couple seasons, then fall off a cliff.

Always thought we could have tried a Colborne for Hayes swap, but in the end same result, but maybe given us one less year of a buy out? (did they have almost identical contracts?)

Hard to say, he had a fantastic season in 2015/16, but Calgary let him go. He joined the cesspool in Colorado, and had a bad year, and then got hurt missed all of camp and preseason this year, got sent down and got hurt again. I guess he must have fallen off the same cliff Matt Belesky fell off during the summer of 2016

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Too many assets we've given up with little or no long term return. With the way this team drafts, we should be holding onto picks like they are freakin' gold. And invest some of those assets later on into actual long term assets. Considering the plethora of talent we've gotten even in the top 4 rounds coming through the system, I trust the amateur scouts more than any of the pro scouts we've had.

I see people criticize the "pro scouts" a lot but other than Beleskey, who was good his first season here, who have they missed on lately?

 

[BostonBob]

I see people criticize the "pro scouts" a lot but other than Beleskey, who was good his first season here, who have they missed on lately?

Jimmy Hayes for sure.