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[bert]

The only matching I would do is getting the Kastelic line far away from the Bergeron line

I think getting Stutzle, Debrincat etc away from the matchup is what the coach should be doing.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Do you guys not listen to the broadcast? It was clearly mentioned several times that DJ was making sure Kastelic and Chabot were out against Matthews all game.

They did well, and if that 4th line can be our ‘shut down’ line eventually (Crookshank inserted) that would be huge for our top three lines.

Putting a rookie 4th line center and an offensive defenseman up against Matthews is not great strategy, even if it didn't blow up in our face on Saturday.

Motte-Pinto-Joseph with Sanderson-Hamonic on D should be the shutdown group, obviously.

 

[PlayOn]

Putting a rookie 4th line center and an offensive defenseman up against Matthews is not great strategy, even if it didn't blow up in our face on Saturday.

Motte-Pinto-Joseph with Sanderson-Hamonic on D should be the shutdown group, obviously.

Pinto is a rookie too and one that hasn’t played hockey in a year. Eventually they will be the shutdown line but it’s probably best to let that line gel considering they are all relatively new to the team. And Pinto has to improve his faceoffs before getting those tough matchups, can’t go against Matthews and lose every draw or we’d be in trouble.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Putting a rookie 4th line center and an offensive defenseman up against Matthews is not great strategy, even if it didn't blow up in our face on Saturday.

Motte-Pinto-Joseph with Sanderson-Hamonic on D should be the shutdown group, obviously.

If you say so. Kind a funny though…

I mean they did great, so what’s the problem again? It didn’t ‘not blow up in our face’, they shut them down.

As for your obvious choice, Zub is a better defender than Hamonic, and Chabot is a more seasoned transition player than Sanderson, who is also a rookie.

Pinto is also a rookie centre, and is not nearly as physical against a big centre like Matthews. Motte and Kelly are both PK players, so the difference is the top PK forward in Watson, or Joseph.

It’s not really as obvious as you would like to think. I personally am happy to see it tried, as any time you can make a line more useful that’s great.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Putting a rookie 4th line center and an offensive defenseman up against Matthews is not great strategy, even if it didn't blow up in our face on Saturday.

Motte-Pinto-Joseph with Sanderson-Hamonic on D should be the shutdown group, obviously.

Not sure that's so obvious. None of Pinto, Motte or Joseph are stout defensive players who can "shutdown" lines. Not to say Kastelic, Kelly or Watson are better, but it's not a given which unit would be better.

 

[Hale The Villain]

If you say so. Kind a funny though…

I mean they did great, so what’s the problem again?

As for your obvious choice, Zub is a better defender than Hamonic, and Chabot is a more seasoned transition player than Sanderson, who is also a rookie.

Pinto is also a rookie centre, and is not nearly as physical against a big centre like Matthews. Motte and Kelly are both PK players, so the difference is the top PK forward in Watson, or Joseph.

It’s not really as obvious as you would like to think. I personally am happy to see it tried, as any time you can make a line more useful that’s great.

The Hurricanes won a game against the Leafs playing a Zamboni driver in net, should they start him again the next time they play each other?

It worked out well for one game, but I highly doubt it would work if we try it again.

Pinto is far better defensively than Kastelic, partly because he can actually control the puck. Same goes for Motte over Kelly and Joseph over Watson.

Best way to defend against Matthews and Marner is to force them to play defense.

 

[DaveMatthew]

The Hurricanes won a game against the Leafs playing a Zamboni driver in net, should they start him again the next time they play each other?

It worked out well for one game, but I highly doubt it would work if we try it again.

Pinto is far better defensively than Kastelic, partly because he can actually control the puck. Same goes for Motte over Kelly and Joseph over Watson.

Best way to defend against Matthews and Marner is to force them to play defense.

Pinto/Motte/Joseph aren't forcing anyone to play defense. You can argue that they'd be better than the Kastelic line, sure, but they're far from a "shutdown" line. They have a ways to go before being considered good defensively.

If you want to try and force the other team's best players to play defense, it has to be against either the Norris or Stützle lines.

 

[Mingus Dew]

It looked that way on the replay, but like I said, it seems out of character for even the biggest dummies...

Idk, maybe there was some yapping between them as the went up ice and he snapped, or got baited into it and the other guy went down easy or something, but something about it just seemed odd.

Kelly is a guy that needs to play right up to that line to be effective so I get that he'll cross it from time to but he needs to pick his spots better if that's what happened here

Yeah I'm just going off what I saw. Maybe I missed some context.

 

[Ice-Tray]

The Hurricanes won a game against the Leafs playing a Zamboni driver in net, should they start him again the next time they play each other?

It worked out well for one game, but I highly doubt it would work if we try it again.

Pinto is far better defensively than Kastelic, partly because he can actually control the puck. Same goes for Motte over Kelly and Joseph over Watson.

Best way to defend against Matthews and Marner is to force them to play defense.

The flip side is you don’t know what works until you give it a try.

That third line hasn’t looked great in either game, and while Pinto has looked good in preseason, he is a rookie who hasn’t played in a long time, hasn’t been great at the dot, and isn’t very strong yet.

Joseph is better than Watson for sure, but I’m not seeing a ton of separation between Kelly and Motte.

This doesn’t have to be a forever thing, but it could be a good situation to put out in the D zone where you want to win the draw and not be overpowered. I’m sure Pinto will get there, but I don’t see him as our best shutdown centre option right this second after watching the first two games.

 

[Loach]

Wow! This is amazing stuff. Love it.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Personally, if we can get to a place where our shut down centre is 230lbs, physical, good at the dot, skates well, and defends well, and has some offensive flair, that’s a great peice to have. Ideally I would prefer that Pinto plays a 2way game and uses his offensive talent.

In the short term, if Kelly Kastelic Crookshank can smother other teams scoring lines, we’d be a true 4 line team. I think Kastelic needs to have a higher ceiling to work towards, and at the NHL level shut down centre is the goal for him.

Throw Greig in there along with Formy on the third line and we are cooking….

 

[playasRus]

I can't tell what to make of that Bruins D.

It looks worst than ours lol but they seem to have better two way high IQ forwards with mucho experience, years of chemistry and I would assume a smarter HC with actual defensive systems in place.

 

[Johnny Hanson]

You guys with your hot takes on how stupid DJ is for trying to get the Kastelic line on Bergerons are proving just how little you know about the sport.

The real disaster would be putting stutzles line up against either Bergeron or or kreijcis line. And pinto has proven he is not ready for the shutdown role as he cannot win a face off if his life depended on it right now and starting without the puck is asking for trouble.

Kastelics line will win draws, play very physical and are responsible defensively. I just wish dj would’ve taken out Kelly and put in brassard. Baby steps

 

[bert]

You guys with your hot takes on how stupid DJ is for trying to get the Kastelic line on Bergerons are proving just how little you know about the sport.

The real disaster would be putting stutzles line up against either Bergeron or or kreijcis line. And pinto has proven he is not ready for the shutdown role as he cannot win a face off if his life depended on it right now and starting without the puck is asking for trouble.

Kastelics line will win draws, play very physical and are responsible defensively. I just wish dj would’ve taken out Kelly and put in brassard. Baby steps

Bingo.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think getting Stutzle, Debrincat etc away from the matchup is what the coach should be doing.

Thought we were stacked? We have to keep TWO separate lines away from Bergeron now? And leave pinto and Kelly-kastelic-watson to fend him off? Potential 8-7 game incoming we might get our money’s worth at least.

You guys with your hot takes on how stupid DJ is for trying to get the Kastelic line on Bergerons are proving just how little you know about the sport.

The real disaster would be putting stutzles line up against either Bergeron or or kreijcis line. And pinto has proven he is not ready for the shutdown role as he cannot win a face off if his life depended on it right now and starting without the puck is asking for trouble.

Kastelics line will win draws, play very physical and are responsible defensively. I just wish dj would’ve taken out Kelly and put in brassard. Baby steps

Yes I can definitely see kastelic and Kelly shutting down like the one dude who could take the game to Sidney Crosby.

 

[bert]

Thought we were stacked? We have to keep TWO separate lines away from Bergeron now? And leave pinto and Kelly-kastelic-watson to fend him off? Potential 8-7 game incoming we might get our money’s worth at least.

I dont know why you think the Stutzle line would be better defensively than Kastelics line. The point of having the home matchup is to get your stars away from debatably the best defensive forward of all time.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Thought we were stacked? We have to keep TWO separate lines away from Bergeron now? And leave pinto and Kelly-kastelic-watson to fend him off? Potential 8-7 game incoming we might get our money’s worth at least.


Yes I can definitely see kastelic and Kelly shutting down like the one dude who could take the game to Sidney Crosby.

The Bergeron line isn't even the Bruins' top offensive unit. Bergeron is playing with Zacha and Debrusk. Is it surprising that we'd want to get our best offensive players from their defensive line? If we want to score goals, yeah, we should be trying to get away from them when we're at home.

Their offensive line is Hall - Krejci - Pastrnak. That's who will be going head to head with either the Norris or Stützle lines.

 

[SensontheRush]

You guys with your hot takes on how stupid DJ is for trying to get the Kastelic line on Bergerons are proving just how little you know about the sport.

The real disaster would be putting stutzles line up against either Bergeron or or kreijcis line. And pinto has proven he is not ready for the shutdown role as he cannot win a face off if his life depended on it right now and starting without the puck is asking for trouble.

Kastelics line will win draws, play very physical and are responsible defensively. I just wish dj would’ve taken out Kelly and put in brassard. Baby steps

Tell us more, Mr. Science.

There isn't one answer to the equation. Maybe it makes sense in DJ's system to line up rookie Kastelic, penalty prone Kelly and reasonably reliable Watson against the Bergeron line, maybe it doesn't in other systems.

There are two ways to shut down a line, the physical way, or the skill way. Though this Kastelic line probably wins the physical battle, the sheer gulf in talent means that if the BOS top line decides to play a skill game our 4th line won't have a chance. There are ways to play around a tight checking team.

I say this, however, I feel like I have to give Gambrell a shout out. He was surprisingly good at that last year.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

You guys with your hot takes on how stupid DJ is for trying to get the Kastelic line on Bergerons are proving just how little you know about the sport.

The real disaster would be putting stutzles line up against either Bergeron or or kreijcis line. And pinto has proven he is not ready for the shutdown role as he cannot win a face off if his life depended on it right now and starting without the puck is asking for trouble.

Kastelics line will win draws, play very physical and are responsible defensively. I just wish dj would’ve taken out Kelly and put in brassard. Baby steps

He won 7/11 faceoffs against the Leafs. Maybe watch the games before telling people they don't know about hockey lol.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Tell us more, Mr. Science.

There isn't one answer to the equation. Maybe it makes sense in DJ's system to line up rookie Kastelic, penalty prone Kelly and reasonably reliable Watson against the Bergeron line, maybe it doesn't in other systems.

There are two ways to shut down a line, the physical way, or the skill way. Though this Kastelic line probably wins the physical battle, the sheer gulf in talent means that if the BOS top line decides to play a skill game our 4th line won't have a chance. There are ways to play around a tight checking team.

I say this, however, I feel like I have to give Gambrell a shout out. He was surprisingly good at that last year.

The Bergeron line isn't the Bruins' top line. He's playing with Zacha and DeBrusk. Good wingers, but not exactly a "gulf" in talent. People are thinking it's still Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak. It's not.

 

[Que]

16 beer in the fridge.

Steak, nachos, hot dogs on deck.

Leaving work on time instead of putting in extra for others.

Let’s go baby.

 

[DaveMatthew]

He won 7/11 faceoffs against the Leafs. Maybe watch the games before telling people they don't know about hockey lol.

Pinto was being sheltered, as he should have been, since he's a rookie who missed all of last year with an injury. He wasn't being asked to take faceoffs against Matthews or Tavares.

 

[Korpse]

That's pretty much what I got from the tweet, not going to hard match was right there, and the implication of Kastelic being out against Bergeron 'sometimes' pretty much implies for Dzone starts.

What's not clear is whether he just means having Kastelic there for the draw, and then hops off if they go on a rush, or having the whole fourth line out in those situations

I think the point he was trying to make was specifically that they won’t be matching lines. He also mentioned that he feels all the centres are defensively responsible so matching lines isn’t something they are going to focus on. Mentioning Kastelic and Bergeron was just an example, their best Center vs our worst isn’t something they are going to hide from. At least that’s how I took his comments.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Do you guys not listen to the broadcast? It was clearly mentioned several times that DJ was making sure Kastelic and Chabot were out against Matthews all game.

They did well, and if that 4th line can be our ‘shut down’ line eventually (Crookshank inserted) that would be huge for our top three lines.

It looks good at first glance but I'm pretty sure that other teams' coaches will be happy to have Kastelic, Kelly and Watson on for first line (5-on-5) minutes instead of the likes of Giroux, Tkachuk, Debrincat, Norris, Batherson and Stützle.

At some point you have to get your scorer's out there. The likelihood that the Kastelic line will outscore a line like Matthews's or Bergeron's is very small. Most nights they might hold them to 1 goal or on exceptional nights keep them off the scoresheet. Hardly ever will they actually outscore top lines.

Here's hoping one of our top 3 lines establishes itself as a true 2-way threat and we can roll with them against top lines, because playing the Kastelic (or Brassard/Gambrell) line for the most 5-on-5 minutes will not work out for us.

 

[BankStreetParade]

16 beer in the fridge.

Steak, nachos, hot dogs on deck.

Leaving work on time instead of putting in extra for others.

Let’s go baby.

How long do you think a hockey game is? LOL.