Boston Bruins Bruins Prospects Discussion IV - Mod warning 565

[GloryDaze4877]

I've always been wary of senyshyn because he seemed 1 dimensional. Elite speed doesn't always translate to elite player. In some cases it does like with patches or kreider, but it others it doesn't and those players have to find ways to contribute in bottom 6 roles. Paille had world class speed and was a first round
Pick for it but he didn't have the rest of the offensive game to warrant top 6 minutes so he used his speed and his work ethic to turn it into an elite penalty killer and grinder.

The fact the constant issues that come up with senyshyn game is his aptitude and awareness I'm hoping that if that doesn't come around he figures out what paille did and focus on defense to earn a job because a defensive specialist with speed is a valuable player to any championship level team, particularly if he can shoot, like on a PK breakaway, something paille could rarely finish off but often (through hard work) managed to get.

Once again, 10 games in and Senyshyn has already been relegated to 4th line grinder upside? What a joke

Also, the only place I see Senyshyn’s aptitude and awareness brought up constantly...is here, by a select few posters, most of whom probably have never even seen the kid play.

Fact.

 

[wintersej]

Yeah I've seen this from another poster, and I don't get it. Vatrano skates hard and has pretty good speed. He's got a funky stride, but he gets to Point A from Point B at a good clip.

His first few strides though?

 

[pkunit]

Senyshyn will make the Bs next year! He's more skilled than most in Prov and he fits the game Sweeny is implementing. It's a young season.

 

[LouJersey]

Yeah I've seen this from another poster, and I don't get it. Vatrano skates hard and has pretty good speed. He's got a funky stride, but he gets to Point A from Point B at a good clip.

He's not remotely fast. He's slow in this day and age NHL and nowhere near comparable to Senyshyn (poster compared the two)

 

[LouJersey]

His first few strides though?

If he was "fast" or "explosive" he would score 20 goals a year not breaking a sweat with that shot. His first few strides are Jason Allison like. I still think he could be a decent up and down winger though

 

[mikelvl]

perfect world/icing on the cake scenario for me, a kid plays a season in the AHL, develops nicely, earns a spot in camp the following year with the big club.

Reality part of my small brain, the majority of these kids need time, 2-3 years is not, IMO, a negative. Just like the draft itself, how quickly or how slowly a kid develops and shows he`s ready for the NHL is an inexact science

I think the reality is that Bjork could probably use a little time down there as well. But injuries aren't affording that opportunity. He is one that we need to be patient with. May take a couple of years before we see this kid start to put things together. You can't teach his speed.

 

[PlayMakers]

His first few strides though?

Vatrano is fast. Period.

It's more straight line speed than cuts and spins, but he wins races all day long.

 

[BronxBruin]

Vatrano is fast. Period.

It's more straight line speed than cuts and spins, but he wins races all day long.

I agree. He is one of the fastest straight line skaters on the team.

 

[chizzler]

Coming in

I agree. He is one of the fastest straight line skaters on the team.

late on this but skating isn't his problem. Positioning to get that shot off is.

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

I wonder what Don and chums are thinking of doing with Frederic at the end of this year. Do they let him play a third year of college and risk free agent media talk? Donato will probably be signed at the end of this year too. My preference is for them to eliminate the risk. Let the JFK/Frederic/Donato battle commence as soon as possible - it can only be good for Boston in the long run.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I wonder what Don and chums are thinking of doing with Frederic at the end of this year. Do they let him play a third year of college and risk free agent media talk? Donato will probably be signed at the end of this year too. My preference is for them to eliminate the risk. Let the JFK/Frederic/Donato battle commence as soon as possible - it can only be good for Boston in the long run.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Frederic turned pro after this college season. If he does, it will be because he and the B’s think it’s the next step in his development, and have zero to do with free agency.

Fredric was a true freshman last year, so even if he doesn’t turn pro this spring, he has TWO more years of eligibility, so why would there be FA talk? Also, having seen him and his family at Dev Camp the last two years, they seem pretty happy with him being drafted by Boston. They took him in the first round and were roundly criticized in most circles at the time.

You don’t think Frederic would remember that faith in him even if he did get to his senior year?? (Which is never going to happen anyway)

 

[PlayMakers]

I wonder what Don and chums are thinking of doing with Frederic at the end of this year. Do they let him play a third year of college and risk free agent media talk? Donato will probably be signed at the end of this year too. My preference is for them to eliminate the risk. Let the JFK/Frederic/Donato battle commence as soon as possible - it can only be good for Boston in the long run.

I hope Frederic comes out. Like GD said, no risk of free agency for 2 years but Heinen came out after year 2 and is looking good.

Fwiw, I think Donato is better suited to wing.

 

[Fenian24]

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Vatrano is fast. Period.

It's more straight line speed than cuts and spins, but he wins races all day long.

I really think it is all hockey sense with him, he was probably a top player all through his development because of his shot and release and could score pretty much every game in lower leagues but at an NHL level he needs to learn how to get open, set himself up to use his shot and play smarter. His work ethic has not been an issue so far this year but he is not producing at all.

While I put a certain amount of blame on Cassidy it's possible this is what Vatrano is, a lower line guy who never had to learn the game completely and could get away with having mediocre positioning and hockey sense due to his one or two superior skills. We'll see if he fares better as the season progresses or as player return from IR if he slides further down the lines and eventually into the press box or another organization.

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Frederic turned pro after this college season. If he does, it will be because he and the B’s think it’s the next step in his development, and have zero to do with free agency.

Fredric was a true freshman last year, so even if he doesn’t turn pro this spring, he has TWO more years of eligibility, so why would there be FA talk? Also, having seen him and his family at Dev Camp the last two years, they seem pretty happy with him being drafted by Boston. They took him in the first round and were roundly criticized in most circles at the time.

You don’t think Frederic would remember that faith in him even if he did get to his senior year?? (Which is never going to happen anyway)

If they let him play his junior year in 2018/19 (and plays well) there's always a chance that talk will heat up about him potentially playing through his final year, after which anything could happen. That's all I meant.

I'm not concerned. But this quote from Langenbrunner had me scratching my head a little.

“Our philosophy is we want the kid to have his plan, and if it matches up with when ours hits, great,” Langenbrunner said. “If he wants to play at Wisconsin for four years and keep on developing that way, we’re not one to push anybody in any which direction.”

Maybe he's saying one thing and thinking another. But letting a top prospect play 4 years is obviously a risk, even if they seem to be loyal, as Frederic does.

In any case, his talent will dictate when he comes out, as you said. So it probably won't be long.

 

[ODAAT]

If they let him play his junior year in 2018/19 (and plays well) there's always a chance that talk will heat up about him potentially playing through his final year, after which anything could happen. That's all I meant.

I'm not concerned. But this quote from Langenbrunner had me scratching my head a little.

“Our philosophy is we want the kid to have his plan, and if it matches up with when ours hits, great,” Langenbrunner said. “If he wants to play at Wisconsin for four years and keep on developing that way, we’re not one to push anybody in any which direction.”

Maybe he's saying one thing and thinking another. But letting a top prospect play 4 years is obviously a risk, even if they seem to be loyal, as Frederic does.

In any case, his talent will dictate when he comes out, as you said. So it probably won't be long.

what are you scratching your head about? Sounds to me that Langenbrunner is simply stating that if a kid believes he`s ready to make the jump, and the B`s also believe that to be true, then they start discussing contract. If a kid is adamant about finishing his studies and playing for their school, they support that too.

I think how it appears the Preds handled the Vesey situation has GM`s approach these college kids with caution in regards to putting undue pressure on them. From the articles I read when the Vesey thing was going on, it sounded like the Preds were really pushing Vesey hard and it sounded like he was not comfortable with this. I could be way off base, could simply have been JV never liked the prospect of playing in Nashville? I don`t know but that`s not the impression I got

There is a way to communicate to a prospect that the organization is really excited about the prospect of having you on the team without making a kid, his family feel like they are being pressured or backed into a corner.

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

what are you scratching your head about? Sounds to me that Langenbrunner is simply stating that if a kid believes he`s ready to make the jump, and the B`s also believe that to be true, then they start discussing contract. If a kid is adamant about finishing his studies and playing for their school, they support that too.

I think how it appears the Preds handled the Vesey situation has GM`s approach these college kids with caution in regards to putting undue pressure on them. From the articles I read when the Vesey thing was going on, it sounded like the Preds were really pushing Vesey hard and it sounded like he was not comfortable with this. I could be way off base, could simply have been JV never liked the prospect of playing in Nashville? I don`t know but that`s not the impression I got

There is a way to communicate to a prospect that the organization is really excited about the prospect of having you on the team without making a kid, his family feel like they are being pressured or backed into a corner.

Should they put pressure on? No way. Should they let him play four years? No way. So it’s a chess game. The quote was a ‘nice’ thing to say but I don’t believe they want him to play four years.

There’s isn’t really much else that they could say at this point though, so I get it.

 

[whitetape]

Mount Kramer cameras said:
Let the JFK/Frederic/Donato battle commence as soon as possible - it can only be good for Boston in the long run.

I thought Donato was primarily a wing ... at least that's where I've seen him play.

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

I thought Donato was primarily a wing ... at least that's where I've seen him play.

I presumed his preference was still down the middle. My bad. Saw him play the wing in the Frozen Four last year and he looked good.

 

[Ratty]

I remember a quote from Sweeney at DC that he was pleased that Donato's coach (hi, Dad) told him he plans to play Ryan at center this year.

Regardless, he is skilled enough to play at either forward position.

 

[DKH]

I wonder what Don and chums are thinking of doing with Frederic at the end of this year. Do they let him play a third year of college and risk free agent media talk? Donato will probably be signed at the end of this year too. My preference is for them to eliminate the risk. Let the JFK/Frederic/Donato battle commence as soon as possible - it can only be good for Boston in the long run.

I'm hearing they will sign him and he will play wing to start all things equal

 

[ODAAT]

Should they put pressure on? No way. Should they let him play four years? No way. So it’s a chess game. The quote was a ‘nice’ thing to say but I don’t believe they want him to play four years.

There’s isn’t really much else that they could say at this point though, so I get it.

Why shouldn`t they allow him to play 4 years? This is where I often disagree with fans, every kid is different, some will show there is little gained by playing another year in Junior/NCAA or even the AHL, some will benefit greatly with the patient approach allowing them to develop.

I`m not as familiar as many here with the NCAA game, I don`t have access to the climate of it down here but unless he`s made it absolutely clear based on his play on the ice that there is little benefit to staying at Wisconsin, I see no need to have him come out early.

 

[Bmessy]

In Providence, Zach Senyshyn is still adjusting to the pro game

You sure like to call out stat watchers on this board and that article looks like it was purely based off of stat watching.

 

[DKH]

You sure like to call out stat watchers on this board and that article looks like it was purely based off of stat watching.

I use whatever makes me win. I'll dance or I'll fight just as long as I get a shiny trophy for my case

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

Why shouldn`t they allow him to play 4 years? This is where I often disagree with fans, every kid is different, some will show there is little gained by playing another year in Junior/NCAA or even the AHL, some will benefit greatly with the patient approach allowing them to develop.

I`m not as familiar as many here with the NCAA game, I don`t have access to the climate of it down here but unless he`s made it absolutely clear based on his play on the ice that there is little benefit to staying at Wisconsin, I see no need to have him come out early.

That Butcher kid has looked pretty good for the Devils. I'm sure Sakic is over the moon for him.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

That Butcher kid has looked pretty good for the Devils. I'm sure Sakic is over the moon for him.

When a kid goes the four year college route and then leaves as a FA, what makes you think he would have signed with his drafting team after year three?

I think it’s a moot point because Frederic is going to sign this coming spring, but every kid’s situation is different. I think generally speaking, the B’s have good relationships with their draft picks. It seems like we have this same conversation every time the B’s have an NCAA prospect and so far the only one that left was Benning.

I’m not sure I understand the angst, particularly when the prospect being discussed is only a sophomore??