Boston Bruins Bruins Prospects Discussion IV - Mod warning 565

[LouJersey]

^^ Every player has to put up at least 40-60 points in first AHL year or will be a bust. Look at that bum Draisatl who had 2 points in 6 ahl games. 0.33 point player in the AHL. Yikes thats scary numbers

So I was wrong to say to myself....hmmmmmm a combined 2 goals and 1 assist in 41 combined games for Senyshyn, Zboril, Lauzon and Gabrielle is absolutely shocking to me?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

So I was wrong to say to myself....hmmmmmm a combined 2 goals and 1 assist in 41 combined games for Senyshyn, Zboril, Lauzon and Gabrielle is absolutely shocking to me?

Senyshyn and Gabrielle? Sure.

But, I'm not sure why you would even include Zboril and Lauzon in the same category?

1) D take longer to develop.

2) This isn't a hard and fast rule, but most D will worry more about defense first when they get to a new level. The offense doesn't typically come until they are comfortable at the new level.

3) Any offense you get from first year D pros is gravy. If they are progressing defensively, I am good with it.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

More properly in ex-Bruin injury thread-- vicious check on Danny Paille:

Where was the puck? I can't even see it in frame.

 

[Dueling Banjos]

Where was the puck? I can't even see it in frame.

Telling by goalie's head movement, i think it was passed out of the bottom corner.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Senyshyn and Gabrielle? Sure.

But, I'm not sure why you would even include Zboril and Lauzon in the same category?

1) D take longer to develop.

2) This isn't a hard and fast rule, but most D will worry more about defense first when they get to a new level. The offense doesn't typically come until they are comfortable at the new level.

3) Any offense you get from first year D pros is gravy. If they are progressing defensively, I am good with it.

Agreed on the D. Torey Krug finished with good numbers in his first year in Providence but he was basically scoreless through his first 20 games. He was also older at 21/22.

Edit: Looked it up. In his first 30 games he had 5 assists and 3 goals.

https://theahl.com/stats/player/4643/40/torey-krug

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Agreed on the D. Torey Krug finished with good numbers in his first year in Providence but he was basically scoreless through his first 20 games. He was also older at 21/22.

Edit: Looked it up. In his first 30 games he had 5 assists and 3 goals.

https://theahl.com/stats/player/4643/40/torey-krug

I want Zboril and Lauzon to learn how to play big boy D against men in the AHL. They have all the tools, so once they get that down, they can worry about contributing to the offense and jumping into the play.

 

[LouJersey]

Senyshyn and Gabrielle? Sure.

But, I'm not sure why you would even include Zboril and Lauzon in the same category?

1) D take longer to develop.

2) This isn't a hard and fast rule, but most D will worry more about defense first when they get to a new level. The offense doesn't typically come until they are comfortable at the new level.

3) Any offense you get from first year D pros is gravy. If they are progressing defensively, I am good with it.

Just shocked they are 22-0-1-1 after what I saw in the preseason. While no one should be freaking out I think it was fair to assume the offensive stats would have looked a little better for the four players overall ten games in

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Just shocked they are 22-0-1-1 after what I saw in the preseason. While no one should be freaking out I think it was fair to assume the offensive stats would have looked a little better for the four players overall ten games in

As I just said to you via text, I don't see a ton of PRO games, but it appeared through the first few weeks of the season, Senyshyn and Gabrielle were given Bottom 3 roles behind players like Heinen, Czarnik, Szwarz, Cave, Fitz, Aggy, JFK, Cehalrik. Players who were older and more experienced for the most part. It's frustrating at times, but PRO wants to win games while they develop kids, so they aren't always going to get the starring roles.

With all the injuries and three or four of the aforementioned players up in Boston, I would expect Gabrielle and Senyshyn to be called on to play larger roles and more than likely put up better numbers. From what I saw of Gabrielle in Camp, he probably could have played a 4th line NHL role, but the B's must want to bring him along slower.

 

[DKH]

So I was wrong to say to myself....hmmmmmm a combined 2 goals and 1 assist in 41 combined games for Senyshyn, Zboril, Lauzon and Gabrielle is absolutely shocking to me?

I'm not the hockey afficionado (obviously) so I'm probably wrong on this but I went to a couple of games and as someone who coached youth hockey (terribly I'm sure) those two defenseman played simple positional hockey and didn't stray too far. I was surprised expecting to see some of that swashbuckling play at least from Zboril.

Then again when I watched McAvoy last winter play BC and at Lowell he appeared to go by the same blueprint- clean up own end and support but not lead. Defense first.

But there is a good chance Sweeney missed on all 4 but who they should have taken you'll have to wait till the HF scouts weigh in when they have more information to cherry pick who is doing best and came after the pick

 

[AK37]

The reports I have read said that both Lauzon and Zboril have played well for Providence. I'm planning on getting to a game or two and want to see them. I put no stock in AHL defenseman stats from an offensive perspective. I want to see how comfortable they look with the eye test, how do they play postionally, quick decisions, smooth on the breakout, etc. I don't cre one bit if they score or not and you can't even make a determination on these guys until they are 22 or 23. Heck, most college D-men are in their junior or senior seasons at 23

In regard to Senyshyn and Gabrielle, they're both first year pros......DeBrusk didn't exactly tear it up in the early going last year, see me in February or March and we'll have a much better idea of what Senyshyn and Gabrielle can be. They are playing against men in the pros for the first time and adjusting to a different speed an physicality than they have ever played against. All prospects are differenet and develop differently. I wouldn't be shocked to see either of them have a 3 or 4 goal weekend soon, then it's just a matter of gaining confidence and continuing that development. Thereis no reason Senyshyn shouldn't start to score, Gabrielle shouldn't be expected to score as much as Senyshyn....he's a different type of player and projects as a bottom 6 energy guy

People can question the Senyshyn, Zboril, DeBrusk selections.....but if all 3 become NHL contributors- there is no reason to complain.....just because they were 1st round picks doesn't mean they will all be top line or top pairing players. Any time your 1st rounders become NHL regulars - you hit, unless it's a top 5 pick who winds up on your 4th line for his career..

 

[wintersej]

Remember when everyone on here was all about the Bruins drafting Fabbro and McAvoy rarely came up? Glad Sweeney made that choice.

 

[Bmessy]

They didn't draft the best player available. We knew it then and we know it now. Just live with it. They addressed the organizational need for wingers at the time.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

BTW, my dog does a great job on the driveway during the winter. That being said, I'm not sure why people are getting up in arms over the pick. I'm sure everyone who is a legitimate Bruins fan wants Seny to succeed but I also think its fair to question the pick after a few years when most saw him as a reach and he is somewhat underperforming albeit very early in his professional career. Especially when those ( who we won't name ) who were viewed as consensus higher/safer picks are doing well in the NHL

It’s a marathon and we are about a mile in. Far too early for anyone to be calling any winners yet.

And I disagree about everyone wanting Senyshyn to do well because they are B’s fans. There are people here who would rather see Senyshyn fail just so they can say I told you so, than have the team and him do well.

 

[Gee Wally]

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NOT who could of should been a Bruin's prospect.

If anyone wants to discuss other team's players use the NHL talk thread.

This is the last public warning on the matter.

 

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[DKH]

In Providence, Zach Senyshyn is still adjusting to the pro game

 

[World of Wardlow]

Still too early. But with all the callups, Zenyshyn, Gabrielle will have more TOI than before; more PP time too. It'll give them more of an opportunity to get adjusted.

 

[LouJersey]

In Providence, Zach Senyshyn is still adjusting to the pro game

I like it. Especially this

He has a remarkable shot and incredible speed

 

[Fenian24]

We'll see where Senyshyn is in a few years, all I'll say is right now it isn't looking too promising. You may be able to use him for trade bait at the deadline but...well...Sweeney and trades are hard (apparently the one thing he learned from Chiarelli). Ideally you move a failing prospect before he is found to be untradeable, think Jordan Caron.

Ideally you give a first year prospect 20 games before making any type of judgment but for a purported goal scorer to be have 2 goals in his first 14 games isn't reassuring

As disappointing as Senyshyn has been this year last years playoffs didn't show him in a great light either. The shot and the speed are nice, but Vatranos shot and release are nice as well,I expect more from Senyshyn.

 

[LouJersey]

We'll see where Senyshyn is in a few years, all I'll say is right now it isn't looking too promising. You may be able to use him for trade bait at the deadline but...well...Sweeney and trades are hard (apparently the one thing he learned from Chiarelli). Ideally you move a failing prospect before he is found to be untradeable, think Jordan Caron.

As disappointing as Senyshyn has been this year last years playoffs didn't show him in a great light either. The shot and the speed are nice, but Vatranos shot and release are nice as well,I expect more from Senyshyn.

Vatrano is slow tho. Speed kills and he has plenty of it. Speed also covers up a multitude of sins.

The funny part is you think Senny is already a disappointment but yet you want to deal him, so if he's a disappointment who will take him?

You can't write this guys off at the 11 game mark. Whatever happened to the two years in the AHL? Some guys just develop slower.

 

[PlayMakers]

Vatrano is slow tho...

 

[Fenian24]

Vatrano is slow tho. Speed kills and he has plenty of it. Speed also covers up a multitude of sins.

The funny part is you think Senny is already a disappointment but yet you want to deal him, so if he's a disappointment who will take him?

You can't write this guys off at the 11 game mark. Whatever happened to the two years in the AHL? Some guys just develop slower.

Normally I am fully on board with longer development, I like the way the wings do things keeping their prospects in the A until they are really ready.

My issue with Senyshyn is that the Bruins reached and where he was taken, I don't like "project" picks in the top 15.

Gamble in round two, it looks like they may have had a great second round in 2015, go for the sure thing in the first.

 

[PB37]

Yeah I've seen this from another poster, and I don't get it. Vatrano skates hard and has pretty good speed. He's got a funky stride, but he gets to Point A from Point B at a good clip.

 

[Montecristo]

I've always been wary of senyshyn because he seemed 1 dimensional. Elite speed doesn't always translate to elite player. In some cases it does like with patches or kreider, but it others it doesn't and those players have to find ways to contribute in bottom 6 roles. Paille had world class speed and was a first round
Pick for it but he didn't have the rest of the offensive game to warrant top 6 minutes so he used his speed and his work ethic to turn it into an elite penalty killer and grinder.

The fact the constant issues that come up with senyshyn game is his aptitude and awareness I'm hoping that if that doesn't come around he figures out what paille did and focus on defense to earn a job because a defensive specialist with speed is a valuable player to any championship level team, particularly if he can shoot, like on a PK breakaway, something paille could rarely finish off but often (through hard work) managed to get.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

We'll see where Senyshyn is in a few years, all I'll say is right now it isn't looking too promising. You may be able to use him for trade bait at the deadline but...well...Sweeney and trades are hard (apparently the one thing he learned from Chiarelli). Ideally you move a failing prospect before he is found to be untradeable, think Jordan Caron.

Ideally you give a first year prospect 20 games before making any type of judgment but for a purported goal scorer to be have 2 goals in his first 14 games isn't reassuring

As disappointing as Senyshyn has been this year last years playoffs didn't show him in a great light either. The shot and the speed are nice, but Vatranos shot and release are nice as well,I expect more from Senyshyn.

1) Are you for f***ing real?

2) Comparing Senyshyn to Caron 10 games in?

3) 10 games not 14

4) 4 playoff games as his first taste of pro experience and you were already disappointed?

5) Are you for f***ing real?