Prospect Info: Bruins Prospect Thread Part V

[DominicT]

Joe, no free 'Battle Creek Basher' T shirt for you- Danny yes, and your wife gets the 'Knight Knighty' but your out

I'm not sure how Joe won the signed Dougie Hamilton jersey I gave away. I can get Knight's Memorial Cup jersey signed and give that away. But I would have to disqualify Joe for not knowing where he is from

 

[BronxBruin]

The Czechs play Canada again on Friday afternoon but I definitely will not be watching that game.

And of course the one game I don't watch, Pastrnak goes off. He has a goal & primary assist midway through the game -- and got stopped on a breakaway (all according to Twitter).

Hopefully there will be some video highlights somewhere later on.

 

[DoubleAAAA]

And of course the one game I don't watch, Pastrnak goes off. He has a goal & primary assist midway through the game -- and got stopped on a breakaway (all according to Twitter).

Hopefully there will be some video highlights somewhere later on.

And a roughing Minor! Go Pasty!

 

[DKH]

I'm not sure how Joe won the signed Dougie Hamilton jersey I gave away. I can get Knight's Memorial Cup jersey signed and give that away. But I would have to disqualify Joe for not knowing where he is from

Dom, yesterday me and Joe made a 10 player deal in which I got Knight in it and Joe got Ryan- as soon as the trade is done he can't remember what country he was born. I got Sam Bennett also - the smear campaign on Bennett's ability to do even 1 pull up at the combine will probably come up now he's gone.

That Hamilton jersey is pretty awesome - he's worn it a couple of times at games and I'm willing to go signed Bergeron shirt and maybe a 1970 autographed Reggie Leach Northland with puck marks that may have been on a pass or two from you-know-who.

Going to be adding Knight stick to the stable soon enough!

 

[YNWABoston]

Gord Miller @GMillerTSN
Boston first rounder David Pastrnak (Sodertalje SWE) strikes again with a beautiful wrist shot to make it 5-2 Czechs.

Putting on a show today

 

[DoubleAAAA]

Gord Miller @GMillerTSN
Boston first rounder David Pastrnak (Sodertalje SWE) strikes again with a beautiful wrist shot to make it 5-2 Czechs.

Putting on a show today

His assist might've been the most impressive play too. Also sounds like he's getting under TC's skin ... good to hear he's not shy

 

[DoubleAAAA]

Looked really good, only caught the back end of the 2nd and 3rd periods. Really liked his creativity on the PP. Took a pretty bush dive near the end though when things started to get stupid.

 

[BronxBruin]

Hopefully there will be some video highlights somewhere later on.

Haven't seen highlights anywhere but video of the full game can be found here: http://stats.hockeycanada.ca/game/show/7838021?subseason=165586&referrer=1253933&referrer=1253933

The boxscore underneath the video will help you fast forward to Pastrnak's goals & assist (and penalty). All 3 of his points showed some good offensive instincts which was nice to see. The roughing penalty was kinda weak...basically went to grab a guy after the goalie froze the puck and the Canadian player fell down.

I've been rough on the Czech team with my previous reviews but looks like they deserve some credit today for getting under Canada's skin and capitalizing on their chances -- though it is worth noting that they had an 11 to 6 PP advantage and were still outshot 27-35.

The Czechs play another U20 exhibition game (I believe their final) against the U.S. tomorrow at 1:00. The game will probably be streamed live here: http://usahockey.fasthockey.com/login.php

 

[Alan Ryan]

Here are the highlights for Pastrnak's 2 goals and an assist: http://nesn.com/2014/08/bruins-draft-pick-david-pastrnak-lights-it-up-for-czech-republic-gifs/

Very nice.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Here are the highlights for Pastrnak's 2 goals and an assist: http://nesn.com/2014/08/bruins-draft-pick-david-pastrnak-lights-it-up-for-czech-republic-gifs/

Very nice.

Get to see that shot that people talk about. Beautiful finish on both of his goals.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I'm not sure how Joe won the signed Dougie Hamilton jersey I gave away. I can get Knight's Memorial Cup jersey signed and give that away. But I would have to disqualify Joe for not knowing where he is from

Brain fart in my haste to be a smart a$$. I know where Knight is from and should have said two NA players and one Russian, as an astute poster pointed out.

Unfortunately, our big trade has been put on hold for now. The natives were afraid I was taking advantage of poor Dan, even though he knows more about most of these prospects than I do. The only guy I would trade Knight to is Dan and I am going to put a clause in the trade that he must trade him back to me if he leaves the SIM league.


ps that Hamilton jersey is sweet and the only way I am parting with it is if my children bankrupt me with college and youth hockey costs

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Get to see that shot that people talk about. Beautiful finish on both of his goals.

Finnish?...I thought he was Czech?

Ba-doom-boom!

So, if Pasternak was a bust after his other two games, can we assume he will now the lead the B's in scoring this year after that performance? #thereisnomiddleground

 

[PlayMakers]

So, if Pasternak was a bust after his other two games, can we assume he will now the lead the B's in scoring this year after that performance? #thereisnomiddleground

Fwiw, I didn't think he was a bust in the first two games. He did have some miscues, like the flubbed one-timers, and the points were harder to come by BUT I still thought he made lots of great plays.

In the first, he stole a puck from a Canadian Dman and made a great spinning feed (as he was getting hit) onto the tape of his line mate who one-timed it and I swear he scored but it came out so fast they kept playing. The announcers said the water bottle popped off but since no players reacted it must not have gone in. (But the only one who would have been in a good position to see if it went in was Pastrnak and he was underneath the guy who drilled him as he was dishing). Regardless, great hustle and determination on the wall to steal the puck. Amazing vision to find his man. Showed courage sticking in there and making the play knowing he was exposing himself to a big check...

He had some nice plays on the PK, marking his man and then coming across to help his line mate out, picking up a puck in traffic and then dancing through traffic to stickhandle it out of danger...

One of his line mates took a high hit behind the net and he came over and gave the hitter an after the whistle pop. It wasn't very intimidating, but at least he did something and didn't avert his eyes or skate away...

That's not to invalidate someone else's opinion. He did attempt some high risk passes and so forth but I don't think that's uncommon for someone of his age and ability. He can probably get away with passing it through three guys at lower levels because nobody expects it or sees what he sees. Finding that balancing act between challenging defenders with your creativity and making the safe, smart play is something all young high-end talents have to figure out.

 

[reffree]

Finnish?...I thought he was Czech?

Ba-doom-boom!

So, if Pasternak was a bust after his other two games, can we assume he will now the lead the B's in scoring this year after that performance? #thereisnomiddleground

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm one of those who said I don't think Pastrnak will make the team this year. One good game later I still beleive it. Now if you think not making the Bruins as an 18 yo means bust, your problem might just be in the definition of the word "bust".

 

[KnightofBoston]

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm one of those who said I don't think Pastrnak will make the team this year. One good game later I still beleive it. Now if you think not making the Bruins as an 18 yo means bust, your problem might just be in the definition of the word "bust".

Ref code 2a08000

Your sarcasm meter is in need of service

 

[Saxon Eric]

In case you missed it Donato will be playing local with the South Shore Kings till Prep Season starts,not a fan of this move

 

[bigbadbruins7]

In case you missed it Donato will be playing local with the South Shore Kings till Prep Season starts,not a fan of this move

That's too bad. Was really hoping to see him in the USHL this year

 

[Beesfan]

In case you missed it Donato will be playing local with the South Shore Kings till Prep Season starts,not a fan of this move

What is your source?

 

[PlayMakers]

In case you missed it Donato will be playing local with the South Shore Kings till Prep Season starts,not a fan of this move

Why aren't you a fan? The EJHL is a step up from prep hockey, it should only help his development.

 

[Saxon Eric]

What is your source?

Mark Divver from the Pro Jo

 

[Saxon Eric]

Why aren't you a fan? The EJHL is a step up from prep hockey, it should only help his development.

It's a half step and he's not even doing a full season, he should be doing USHL , that's what's best for his development

 

[PlayMakers]

It's a half step and he's not even doing a full season, he should be doing USHL , that's what's best for his development

Was that ever an option? I thought he was just going back to Dexter.

A lot of NE prep players put some time in the EJHL to get ready for college. Ryan Fitzgerald did it (26 games) and it set him up for a great rookie year at BC. I figure any time Donato gets there is a good thing.

 

[Montecristo]

Was that ever an option? I thought he was just going back to Dexter.

A lot of NE prep players put some time in the EJHL to get ready for college. Ryan Fitzgerald did it (26 games) and it set him up for a great rookie year at BC. I figure any time Donato gets there is a good thing.

the ushl was an option for him, i think he had the oppurtunity to go to omaha to play. unfortunately since he has yet to be accepted at harvard where he is commited to play I think the fear for him was that transfering to a school in the midwest would hurt his chances at being accepted. Also it would force him to probably live with a billet and I wouldn't be surprised if his Dad had his hesitations about sending his son so far away to essentially live on his own heading into his senior year of HS, without an acceptance letter to one of the most difficult schools to be accepted into. The question then becomes, what is more important for a 2nd round draft pick into the NHL? Spending your senior season playing HS prep hockey so you can then play in the Ivy League and get an A+ education, or risk the education, play against better competition in the most competitive junior league in the country, and worst case scenario have to play at a school with less prestige (but just as much if not more so in terms of hockey) like a BC or BU, as they can actually give out athletic scholarships.

To be honest I tend to agree with the philosophy that ryan is going to make his money as a hockey player, he has to think that way as well. so why risk hindering your development playing in a league you have already dominated two years in a row just for an education. Not to jump sports (but I'm about to) jurgen klinsman (spelling wrong, head coach of USA Soccer) said in an interview that the problem with american raised soccer players is that they destroy their development by playing in prep HS and D1 college in the late teens, early 20s. His belief is that if you want to be the greatest, you have to forgo education and commit to a youth development team overseas and put 100% of your focus on the sport you intend to play. He cited it as the downfall of american soccer players, their inability to take the leap, and forgo education.

I'm not saying that donato should skip college, I think harvard can generate good hockey players and they have, as have many many other D1 programs. D1 hockey is much better competiton then D1 soccer obviously, but this isn't so much about me being upset that he is playing at harvard. It's that I think he is playing at dexter because he wants to play at harvard, and he needs his diploma from dexter in order to attend. Thats the fault I see. He shouldn't cost himself a year of development skating circles around freshman in the prep circuit when he could easily have played in the USHL and worst case scenario, suit up for any hockey east school the following year and come out of this a more prepared hockey player. He's risking his growth as a player to try to maintain a family legacy. Thats the way I interpret all this. I could be way off, I just think that I'm not..

The South Shore Kings are a good team, I have a several friends that played in the EJHL, and they turned into very productive players in college and some have recently turned pro (ECHL, AHL). But none of them were drafted, all of them had to play until 20 before getting scholarships, and all of them played all 4 years in college. Donato doesn't profile as a kid who should play all 4 years, he was drafted, and he will be attending college as a true freshman I think. He shouldn't be playing in the EJHL, thats a draft year league to play in, not a post draft year team, and the fact he isn't playing the full year so he can go back to dexter, where he won't be challenged as a player, is going to be a lost year of sorts.

For a frame of reference take Zach Sanford, a 2013 draft pick from NH. He spent a year in the EJHL with the islanders his draft year, was drafted, then spent the following year in waterloo of the USHL, and will be attending BC in the fall. That is a more traditional route to take for draft picks taken in the first 3 rounds who are local products. I still am going to route for donato, but I have to say for me, this is a red flag. Not a major one, but something I'll look back on years down the road if he doesn't pan out as the first mistake he makes as a player.

 

[Beesfan]

the ushl was an option for him, i think he had the oppurtunity to go to omaha to play. unfortunately since he has yet to be accepted at harvard where he is commited to play I think the fear for him was that transfering to a school in the midwest would hurt his chances at being accepted. Also it would force him to probably live with a billet and I wouldn't be surprised if his Dad had his hesitations about sending his son so far away to essentially live on his own heading into his senior year of HS, without an acceptance letter to one of the most difficult schools to be accepted into. The question then becomes, what is more important for a 2nd round draft pick into the NHL? Spending your senior season playing HS prep hockey so you can then play in the Ivy League and get an A+ education, or risk the education, play against better competition in the most competitive junior league in the country, and worst case scenario have to play at a school with less prestige (but just as much if not more so in terms of hockey) like a BC or BU, as they can actually give out athletic scholarships.

To be honest I tend to agree with the philosophy that ryan is going to make his money as a hockey player, he has to think that way as well. so why risk hindering your development playing in a league you have already dominated two years in a row just for an education. Not to jump sports (but I'm about to) jurgen klinsman (spelling wrong, head coach of USA Soccer) said in an interview that the problem with american raised soccer players is that they destroy their development by playing in prep HS and D1 college in the late teens, early 20s. His belief is that if you want to be the greatest, you have to forgo education and commit to a youth development team overseas and put 100% of your focus on the sport you intend to play. He cited it as the downfall of american soccer players, their inability to take the leap, and forgo education.

I'm not saying that donato should skip college, I think harvard can generate good hockey players and they have, as have many many other D1 programs. D1 hockey is much better competiton then D1 soccer obviously, but this isn't so much about me being upset that he is playing at harvard. It's that I think he is playing at dexter because he wants to play at harvard, and he needs his diploma from dexter in order to attend. Thats the fault I see. He shouldn't cost himself a year of development skating circles around freshman in the prep circuit when he could easily have played in the USHL and worst case scenario, suit up for any hockey east school the following year and come out of this a more prepared hockey player. He's risking his growth as a player to try to maintain a family legacy. Thats the way I interpret all this. I could be way off, I just think that I'm not..

The South Shore Kings are a good team, I have a several friends that played in the EJHL, and they turned into very productive players in college and some have recently turned pro (ECHL, AHL). But none of them were drafted, all of them had to play until 20 before getting scholarships, and all of them played all 4 years in college. Donato doesn't profile as a kid who should play all 4 years, he was drafted, and he will be attending college as a true freshman I think. He shouldn't be playing in the EJHL, thats a draft year league to play in, not a post draft year team, and the fact he isn't playing the full year so he can go back to dexter, where he won't be challenged as a player, is going to be a lost year of sorts.

For a frame of reference take Zach Sanford, a 2013 draft pick from NH. He spent a year in the EJHL with the islanders his draft year, was drafted, then spent the following year in waterloo of the USHL, and will be attending BC in the fall. That is a more traditional route to take for draft picks taken in the first 3 rounds who are local products. I still am going to route for donato, but I have to say for me, this is a red flag. Not a major one, but something I'll look back on years down the road if he doesn't pan out as the first mistake he makes as a player.

Not only is it a mistake for him to play Prep hockey this year, it was probably a mistake LAST YEAR.

Most 1st, 2nd round picks played major junior, NCAA or european pro hockey before getting drafted, some for two or three years. Others at least played in the USHL, or an equivalent league in Canada.

Donato, as a full 18 year old, is set to play hockey against kids that are mostly 15, 16 and 17, and who come from a regional talent pool.

If Donato had gone to the USNTDP or USHL last year, and enrolled in BC this year, he would have increased his chances of being an NHL player by 100% at least.

Also, the difference between BC and Harvard is huge from a hockey standpoint. Not so much for the games--although Harvard plays in a weaker league--but for the practices. At BC, Donato would have been shooting on Demko, going up against Mattheson, Savage, etc., and lining up against Milano, Tuch, Calnan, Fitzgerald, Gilmour, etc. You can't replace that type of competition on a daily basis.

 

[WreckItRask]

Not only is it a mistake for him to play Prep hockey this year, it was probably a mistake LAST YEAR.

Most 1st, 2nd round picks played major junior, NCAA or european pro hockey before getting drafted, some for two or three years. Others at least played in the USHL, or an equivalent league in Canada.

Donato, as a full 18 year old, is set to play hockey against kids that are mostly 15, 16 and 17, and who come from a regional talent pool.

If Donato had gone to the USNTDP or USHL last year, and enrolled in BC this year, he would have increased his chances of being an NHL player by 100% at least.

Also, the difference between BC and Harvard is huge from a hockey standpoint. Not so much for the games--although Harvard plays in a weaker league--but for the practices. At BC, Donato would have been shooting on Demko, going up against Mattheson, Savage, etc., and lining up against Milano, Tuch, Calnan, Fitzgerald, Gilmour, etc. You can't replace that type of competition on a daily basis.

The bolded simply isn't true anymore. The last two National Champs are from the ECAC, and top to bottom it's simply becoming a better league than Hockey East on a national level. BC is better than Harvard, and likely always will be, so your point about practice is valid. But playing in Hockey East simply isn't a vastly better option than playing in ECAC anymore. Playing at BC versus Harvard is.

Specific to Donato, I agree he shouldn't be going back to Dexter for another year. However, anyone intimating that the EJHL is better competition than Prep hockey is working on outdated information. It isn't. The USHL/NDTP route is vastly better, and should really have been taken imo, but the EJHL just isn't anything close to what it used to be. It's barely a blip on the hockey landscape anymore.