Value of: Bruins Off Season Thread

[dugg133]

Zero chance they do a full tear down rebuild cause that would involve trading McAvoy and Pasta. If Bergeron is back they'll try to push to compete again cause why wouldn't they, they'll still have a very good roster and a core that'll hopefully be hungry to redeem themselves. If Bergeron isn't back the smart thing to do is a retool around the younger core. Swayman, Pasta. McAvoy, Carlo, Lindholm, Zacha, Frederic. That's the core to build around, add Debrusk in if you can agree on an extension. Everyone else gets trade to the highest bidder. Between Hall, Ullmark, Grzelyck, Coyle, and maybe Marchand you should be able to get some valuable pieces back. Then you integrate the youth from Providence in the roster spots that are open, see what you have in guys like Merkulov and Lysell. And if they aren't ready for the NHL and we absolutely stink, then the pick we traded to Detroit for Bertuzzi was top 10 protected and we can hopefully fall far enough to be able to draft a real franchise changing center.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Zero chance they do a full tear down rebuild cause that would involve trading McAvoy and Pasta. If Bergeron is back they'll try to push to compete again cause why wouldn't they, they'll still have a very good roster and a core that'll hopefully be hungry to redeem themselves. If Bergeron isn't back the smart thing to do is a retool around the younger core. Swayman, Pasta. McAvoy, Carlo, Lindholm, Zacha, Frederic. That's the core to build around, add Debrusk in if you can agree on an extension. Everyone else gets trade to the highest bidder. Between Hall, Ullmark, Grzelyck, Coyle, and maybe Marchand you should be able to get some valuable pieces back. Then you integrate the youth from Providence in the roster spots that are open, see what you have in guys like Merkulov and Lysell. And if they aren't ready for the NHL and we absolutely stink, then the pick we traded to Detroit for Bertuzzi was top 10 protected and we can hopefully fall far enough to be able to draft a real franchise changing center.

To add, as a Wings fan. I hope Boston does get a top 10 pick in 2024.

Rather have the unprotected 2025 1st.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Wonder what Swayman would get on the trade market, top 6 C?

 

[wintersej]

Wonder what Swayman would get on the trade market, top 6 C?

If WPG is going to move Hellebuyck to avoid him walking for nothing, you wonder if Swayman/Ullmark could be part of a return for PLD. Just don't know how Boston can clear enough cap to sign him.

 

[Hookslide]

Wonder what Swayman would get on the trade market, top 6 C?

For cap reasons the bruins should be trading Ullmark not Swayman , both had solid seasons , but cap must addressed.......

 

[bergeronsboys]

100 year anniversary for the Bruins organization next year - the cap situation looks bleak but Sweeney will do everything he can to ensure they still play like a “contender” next year. My guess is Bergeron comes back and the entire room digs deep to go for it once more with the bitter and disappointing end to this season still fresh.

 

[UConn126]

If Bergeron and Krejci are done they're done.

They don't have any good Centers at that point and have some crazy high bonus carryover for next year.


It would actually be a good year to start a retool. Sell off one of the goalies, a couple of other non core pieces, grab some draft capital and tank the season. Pick high and grab a guy who will likely be ready to make an impact by 2025.

Except they went up 3-1 in the series without those two and faltered when they came back. People seriously overestimate the impact losing those two will have.

The Bruins are too good to tank. The defense and goaltending alone will keep them in the playoff hunt, and they have a now 60-goal scorer in Pasta, who played some of his best hockey with Zacha as his center, to drive the offense.

They're going to do everything in their power to keep both goalies. Swayman is clearly the better long term option, and likely will sign a 2-year bridge deal at a decent cap hit to play with his best bud Ullmark until Ullmark's contract is up and Swayman can sign the big 8-year, fulltime starter salary pay day.

They'll trim the fat off the blueline, give some kids from Providence full time roles and fill out the roster with a couple league minimum vets. Lauko will be ready for a full time spot, and they'll probably give Lysell a shot because why not. Beecher may get a crack at 4C.

They won't set another wins record but you can subtract two 35+ players from a 65 win team and still expect 50 wins.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Except they went up 3-1 in the series without those two and faltered when they came back. People seriously overestimate the impact losing those two will have.

The Bruins are too good to tank. The defense and goaltending alone will keep them in the playoff hunt, and they have a now 60-goal scorer in Pasta, who played some of his best hockey with Zacha as his center, to drive the offense.

They're going to do everything in their power to keep both goalies. Swayman is clearly the better long term option, and likely will sign a 2-year bridge deal at a decent cap hit to play with his best bud Ullmark until Ullmark's contract is up and Swayman can sign the big 8-year, fulltime starter salary pay day.

They'll trim the fat off the blueline, give some kids from Providence full time roles and fill out the roster with a couple league minimum vets. Lauko will be ready for a full time spot, and they'll probably give Lysell a shot because why not. Beecher may get a crack at 4C.

They won't set another wins record but you can subtract two 35+ players from a 65 win team and still expect 50 wins.

Do you expect Hall to be there next season?

 

[Mainehockey33]

For cap reasons the bruins should be trading Ullmark not Swayman , both had solid seasons , but cap must addressed.......

But how much will Swayman’s next deal cost? I’m sure if we weren’t up against the cap it would still be great value for two of the best goalies in the league but if we can get a solid center or pick for one of them it might be worth it.

 

[UConn126]

Do you expect Hall to be there next season?

That's an interesting one. I think if they want to try to re-sign Bertuzzi, Hall is the one to move. He stepped it up in the playoffs but had a lackluster regular season. Hall could be flipped for hopefully a first to recover some draft capital and free up some space to make an offer to Tyler, but I think ultimately Bertuzzi will get way more than the Bruins can offer elsewhere and the Bruins probably keep Hall.

I think Reilly is bought out, and I think Gryzlec is definitely traded. They'll probably try to trade Forbort as well, but I doubt there are many takers. Those three free up about 9 million counting Reilly's buyout hit to re-sign Frederic and Swayman + round out the roster with ELCs and vet minimum deals.

 

[Huffer]

If WPG is going to move Hellebuyck to avoid him walking for nothing, you wonder if Swayman/Ullmark could be part of a return for PLD. Just don't know how Boston can clear enough cap to sign him.

Swayman could be a maybe IMO, because I'm not sure if the Jets do indeed to move on from Helle (and PLD and Scheifele), if the best thing for them to do is really to focus on getting young picks and prospects instead as "now" type return pieces. He's young enough that it could make sense, but otherwise the team won't improve IMO after moving those guys, so focusing on the future makes more sense than trying to cobble something together and try to sneak into the playoffs and be a 1 and done again. But ownerships can think differently....

 

[wintersej]

Swayman could be a maybe IMO, because I'm not sure if the Jets do indeed to move on from Helle (and PLD and Scheifele), if the best thing for them to do is really to focus on getting young picks and prospects instead as return pieces. He's young enough that it could make sense, but otherwise the team won't improve IMO after moving those guys, so focusing on the future makes more sense than trying to cobble something together and try to sneak into the playoffs and be a 1 and done again. But ownerships can think differently....

Yeah it's a lot of money left on the table when you re-build. I think WPG should be a lesson to all fan bases that want a scorched earth rebuild. WPG had the best prospect pool and piles of young talent and...blub blub blub...here they are talking about it again.

 

[Hookslide]

But how much will Swayman’s next deal cost? I’m sure if we weren’t up against the cap it would still be great value for two of the best goalies in the league but if we can get a solid center or pick for one of them it might be worth it.

I am not a expert on what players will sign for but I do not see Swayman getting Ullmark money at this time ( 5 mil) . The question needs to be asked is what does Ullmark get on his next contract he will get a raise for sur unless the next two years are complete disaster and if that happens you will wish you moved him.......Would a team like Calgary be interested in Ullmark ?

 

[Jacob582]

That's an interesting one. I think if they want to try to re-sign Bertuzzi, Hall is the one to move. He stepped it up in the playoffs but had a lackluster regular season. Hall could be flipped for hopefully a first to recover some draft capital and free up some space to make an offer to Tyler, but I think ultimately Bertuzzi will get way more than the Bruins can offer elsewhere and the Bruins probably keep Hall.

Yeah, Hall will be hard to move.

Some high-priced wingers are going for cheap. Bjorkstrand ($5.4M for four more years) went for a 3rd and a 4th. That's after a 57 point season.

Hall has a 16 team no trade list this season and 10 team next season. He had a good playoffs but is coming off a 36 point season. Boston may need to pay to dump him. Teams know they need the space. They shouldn't do Boston any favors.

 

[Lainestache]

If there's one thing I've learned during these about fifteen years I've been watching the game.. it's that whenever Bruins were said to be done, they somehow got right back in.

That said, with Bergy and Krejci most likely done and their prospect pool being bare and picks traded.. It's hard.

Well, it's the Bruins. Somehow Coyle and Zacha step up next year and their prospects slide in to become the next core of youngguns.. i wouldn't be surprised.

Anyways, interesting times ahead. Wish the Bruins well no matter what happens.

 

[wintersej]

Yeah, Hall will be hard to move.

Some high-priced wingers are going for cheap. Bjorkstrand ($5.4M for four more years) went for a 3rd and a 4th. That's after a 57 point season.

Hall has a 16 team no trade list this season and 10 team next season. He had a good playoffs but is coming off a 36 point season. Boston may need to pay to dump him. Teams know they need the space. They shouldn't do Boston any favors.

In fairness, Hall did play at a 50 point pace with Charlie Coyle and Trent Frederic in a little under 16 minutes a game and didn’t get PP1 time. Will Boston get anything for him? No. But I do think it’s possible they find a taker if a team uses their scouts instead of their stat sheet. He is still the guy that can drive zone entries and he had more 5 on 5 goals than Bergeron or Marchand. The play making suffered dishing to Coyle and Frederic instead of Pasta.

 

[Mike Liut]

Sometimes you have no other option but to re-tool. I like what the Blues did with trading 5 UFA’s and gaining 2- 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd and a really good prospect in Dean and also getting Blais back.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Give us debrusk!

Debrusk
For
Boston 2nd in 23
Penguins 3rd in 24

Based value off bjorkstrand, moved picks up 1 round as I think debrusk is better… could also put in comtois rights if bruins prefer

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

To add, as a Wings fan. I hope Boston does get a top 10 pick in 2024.

Rather have the unprotected 2025 1st.

Neither pick will be close to top 10.

Yeah, Hall will be hard to move.

Some high-priced wingers are going for cheap. Bjorkstrand ($5.4M for four more years) went for a 3rd and a 4th. That's after a 57 point season.

Hall has a 16 team no trade list this season and 10 team next season. He had a good playoffs but is coming off a 36 point season. Boston may need to pay to dump him. Teams know they need the space. They shouldn't do Boston any favors.

Swing and a miss on the evaluation of Hall. Scouts will have a better idea on his value.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Give us debrusk!

Debrusk
For
Boston 2nd in 23
Penguins 3rd in 24

Based value off bjorkstrand, moved picks up 1 round as I think debrusk is better… could also put in comtois rights if bruins prefer

I know you watched a fair bit of Bruins games so you know how good Debrusk is and I politely say . . . get away from him!! He's my boy!

 

[wintersej]

Give us debrusk!

Debrusk
For
Boston 2nd in 23
Penguins 3rd in 24

Based value off bjorkstrand, moved picks up 1 round as I think debrusk is better… could also put in comtois rights if bruins prefer

I would want more than that. DeBrusk had more 5 on 5 goals than Stamkos and Draisaitl(!) and 1 or 2 goals behind Horvat, Kucherov, Connor, Meier, and Kaprizov.

DeBrusk only played 64 games.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Comtois and a 2nd for DeBrusk.

 

[SPV]

Might be better with Max Jones over Comtois. similar numbers, but he’s signed for cheap next year already.

 

[HFpapi]

I actually agree with OP. Teams try to pry open a closing window for too long, it delays the inevitable and exacerbates the impending bottoming out.

Bruins are poised to lose their #1 + 2 C's with not only no cap space to replace them but, even worse, bonuses counting against the cap that allowed them to have so much depth this year.

I don't see how a team over comes that.

It would be extremely bold and tough to swallow but trading McAvoy, Pasta, and Lindholm would make the Bruins maybe the most prospect/draft pick rich team in the league.

This is not a team on the rise to say the least and with no picks or elite prospects, they are going to be in the wilderness soon enough and a couple of elite players won't mean much. I see them becoming what the Sharks are now.

 

[wintersej]

I actually agree with OP. Teams try to pry open a closing window for too long, it delays the inevitable and exacerbates the impending bottoming out.

Bruins are poised to lose their #1 + 2 C's with not only no cap space to replace them but, even worse, bonuses counting against the cap that allowed them to have so much depth this year.

I don't see how a team over comes that.

It would be extremely bold and tough to swallow but trading McAvoy, Pasta, and Lindholm would make the Bruins maybe the most prospect/draft pick rich team in the league.

This is not a team on the rise to say the least and with no picks or elite prospects, they are going to be in the wilderness soon enough and a couple of elite players won't mean much. I see them becoming what the Sharks are now.

Why take a step back for one year when you can take a step back for five!