TSN: Brown will no longer be Captain

[WHOneedsSOX]

Lombardi's making sure he has the cap to sign Yandle to a 7X7!!!

Brown isn't going anywhere. Kings won't retain on him for 6-7 more years before possibly losing him in the expansion for free. The upside is Brown's the Lucic replacement!

Can't wait for a full season of King AND Brown in the top 6 while Pearson wastes away on the third line with Nick Shore and Trevor Lewis.

 

[Trolfoli]

Can't wait for a full season of King AND Brown in the top 6 while Pearson wastes away on the third line with Nick Shore and Trevor Lewis.

Don't worry. That will never happen. Right?

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Don't worry. That will never happen. Right?

With Darryl Sutter at the helm, no way. Man my dream lineup is shaking up just like I imagined it.

12-11-23
74-77-73
70-21-22
13-15-70

7-8
6-27
3-52
2

Man, going to be a fun year!

 

[Omni Owl]

Interesting to hear that Lucic may be walking, which I wouldn't mind, partially because of this:

good

less PIMS

less PK

more success!

He can't control his temper and takes really dumb penalties. He also had a **** post-season. A guy like that should be absolutely beasting in the playoffs. I'd rather see that money allocated to our most gaping hole, top 4 D.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Interesting to hear that Lucic may be walking, which I wouldn't mind, partially because of this:



He can't control his temper and takes really dumb penalties. He also had a **** post-season. A guy like that should be absolutely beasting in the playoffs. I'd rather see that money allocated to our most gaping hole, top 4 D.

I actually thought he controlled himself pretty well. The penalty in game 3 was incredibly stupid but the game 2 penalty wasn't in my opinion. He was just looking to make a hit, did, and got penalized. Only was a killer because Toffoli also got one. He took maybe 5-7 dumb penalties this season (Connauton)? Not bad compared to in the past.

That being said, another long term deal would not be ideal unless they can move Brown.

 

[Omni Owl]

If we don't have Brown's albatross of a contract, then yeah, bring him back. But he's going to be looking for a big number + term. He has the potential to turn into another Brown situation, or he could go the way of Shane Doan, who the **** knows. That whole Connauton situation was embarrassing.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

If we don't have Brown's albatross of a contract, then yeah, bring him back. But he's going to be looking for a big number + term. He has the potential to turn into another Brown situation, or he could go the way of Shane Doan, who the **** knows. That whole Connauton situation was embarrassing.

I'd be willing to bet a lot that Lucic goes more towards the Brown situation than Doan. I've watched him a lot in his career and it seems like his hands got really bad this past season compared to past seasons.

 

[The Night King]

Interesting to hear that Lucic may be walking, which I wouldn't mind, partially because of this:



He can't control his temper and takes really dumb penalties. He also had a **** post-season. A guy like that should be absolutely beasting in the playoffs. I'd rather see that money allocated to our most gaping hole, top 4 D.

He also scores a fair amount and opens up space for his teammates.

No one on the Kings beasted in the playoffs.

I won't be too upset if he walks as I think he'll want too much and could decline sooner than we'd like, but he won't be an easy player to replace.

 

[Kingsfan1]

If Lucic leaves this team will be less of a threat next year then this year. They atleast scored more goals than previous years because Lucic would always be in the goalies grill. Offense will be difficult to watch once again next year.

You sign Lucic and rid Greene and Scuderi and King pieces you can replace within. This is going to be another mistake . Id rather sign Lucic. We will still have cap space.

Again we gave up a chance at Kyle Connor or another great prospect. Jones who is in the SC finals right now and Colin Miller who is most NHL ready for 1 year of Lucic. We just keep ****ing ourselves .

 

[Kingspiracy]

Friedman generally knows what he's taking about, I think he's very trusted by teams he contacts. And I agreed with most of what he said. The team telling Brown on Monday and giving him 4 days for it to sink in before the 'media' leaks it. And I think he was correct in that Brown will now get an agent and give a list of teams. It would be better for him, esp given the caustic relationship with Sutter, to move on. IN 2014 at the Olympics one of his teammates said Brown told him Sutter took his confidence away and you look at the yrs since and his numbers going down reflect that. And the mayor alluded to that in the interview, something that a Sportsnet reporter hinted at when the Kings were eliminated. Anyway, a fresh start new coach, new team, new leaf.

And Brown wasn't Sutter's choice for Captain, he is Kopi guy all the way, and perhaps that was part of his bargaining chip in the contract negotiations. That the team needed a new direction, and he wanted that to start with Kopi being the Captain.

I can't see Brown remaining, and I hope he finds success if he does leave, and help another team to find the path to the Silver Cup. Good teammate, good leader, good work ethic and perhaps new wind in his sails.

Subtle

If Lucic leaves this team will be less of a threat next year then this year. They atleast scored more goals than previous years because Lucic would always be in the goalies grill. Offense will be difficult to watch once again next year.

You sign Lucic and rid Greene and Scuderi and King pieces you can replace within. This is going to be another mistake . Id rather sign Lucic. We will still have cap space.

Again we gave up a chance at Kyle Connor or another great prospect. Jones who is in the SC finals right now and Colin Miller who is most NHL ready for 1 year of Lucic. We just keep ****ing ourselves .

If you've got a core like Doughty, Quick,Kopitar and TT you've got to use it. You don't **** around waiting for bobby new balls to learn the game. If DL didn't do these "go for it" trades we'd be *****ing about that too. Sekera and Lucic were prime acquisitions that could have pushed us over the top. Sekera got injured last year, and we faced a red hot Sharks team, hell bent on revenge, that is coming out of the west this year. **** happens.

We weren't keeping Jones anyway with Quick locked up and we didn't trade him to our div rival.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Don't worry. That will never happen. Right?

I'd love to say "no way that ever happens," then I look at the World Cup team DL just put together...I'm starting to think he's lost his mojo.

Maybe all that free time you get when you aren't a GM set him up for all those wonderful decisions and now he just doesn't know the league's youth like he used to, I don't know.

 

[Rorschach]

I wonder if the Sutter re-hire caused this to materialize even though everyone thinks the Kings are justified anyway.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wonder if the Sutter re-hire caused this to materialize even though everyone thinks the Kings are justified anyway.

I forget where I saw it (hell maybe its even on this page, been a crazy afternoon for me) but someone reputable pointed out Brown felt friction with sutter and had lost his confidence under him. Would make a lot of sense but man.

 

[LAKings88]

I love Sutter but it's sad to hear if the Brown stuff is true. Thanks for your role during the cup years DB. Hope next season goes well for you with or without the Kings.

I don't think this will solve much honestly. Lucic's deal falling apart is a bigger story imho. If true that is.

 

[kings11]

Well since all this Brownie is gone crap seems like it might come true, who is going to replace both Brown and Lucic????? do we see Mersch and Kempe arrive next season??? do both Gravel and Forbort finally crack the D core... lots of questions and very few answers considering how weak this FA class is....Also how does this affect our ability to attract FAs with the way DL and the FO have revoked/terminated contracts and now the Brown situation????

MERSCH-KOPITAR-GABORIK
PEARSON-CARTER-TOFFOLI
KING-DOWD-SHORE
CLIFFORD-ANDREOFF-NOLAN

DOUGHTY-GRAVEL
McNABB-MUZZIN
MARTINEZ-FORBORT

QUICK-????

Now granted we should have some decent cap space if Brown is moved and Lucic isn't re-signed, who do we go after???

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I just want to give Brown insane props no matter what happens from here. He was Deadmarsh reincarnate to me.

Very unique player with unique company, only him and Ovechkin were players with 60+ points and 200+ hits for years. He led the way with 50-60 points a year, a literal league leading hitter, excellent at drawing penalties without losing his cool himself, insanely hard worker, ferocious body checker, and excellent in the community and in helping establish the pro culture amongst the youth. He has a place in the Kings' hall of legends for being the guy who helped catalyze a transformation. Will never forget his contributions.

That's whats make this all the sadder, but still the right thing. Just goes to show you how much the hockey landscape can change in even 3 short years.

 

[kingsfan28]

I think its a pretty sad situation. Brown has been a fantastic warrior and leader for the team, but unfortunately his play has dropped off. Cant always be a fairytale ending I guess.

Was there a bit of friction between Brown and Sutter? Perhasp this was a condition of Sutter re upping.

There had to be . The way Sutter used Brown since 2013 said it all. Brown starts the season on the top line, 2 weeks in he's on the 3rd line. Then back to the top line, then dropped to the 4th line. He all but killed his confidence since the start of 2013. How and why would you do this to the captain of the team? This, as well as other reasons were why I wish the Kings not brought Sutter back.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

There had to be . The way Sutter used Brown since 2013 said it all. Brown starts the season on the top line, 2 weeks in he's on the 3rd line. Then back to the top line, then dropped to the 4th line. He all but killed his confidence since the start of 2013. How and why would you do this to the captain of the team? This, as well as other reasons were why I wish the Kings not brought Sutter back.

Sutter made some questionable decisions this past season, but I don't know what else he could've done with Brown. Brown really left him with no other option given his lack of performance when placed on a line with Kopitar.

In fact, check out who he played with most, it may surprise some of you how often Brown played with Kopitar:

http://dobberhockey.com/players/Dustin-Brown

I really can't think of a player who makes worse decisions when the puck is on his stick inside the blueline than Dustin Brown. Ill advised passes, poor shot selection, stays on the perimeter; there's a reason why his numbers and shooting percentage have shown a steady decline since the 2013 season. It's Dustin Brown.

 

[Quattro]

I don't think any Kings fan hates Brown, the player. We all just hate the contract.

I could quote half a dozen posts from this thread alone that say otherwise but why bother.

Short memories.

 

[Herby]

What is the point?

Is this because they want to go in a new leadership direction?
Did Brown do something wrong off the ice?
Or is this Kings management trying to shame Brown into accepting a trade?

Brown's play has clearly fallen off, but what does that have to do with being the captain of the team?

Brown was an integral part of two championship teams and has been with the franchise for 13 years, captain for almost nine, and this is how he gets treated?

And yes, in the past three years two peoples job performances have fallen off more than anyone else, one of them is the team captain and the other one is the general manager. If one has to move on, maybe the other should as well (or atleast uptairs). Is there a team that has been as poorly managed the last two calendar years as the Kings?

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Don't know why they would strip the C and THEN trade. Maybe to send a message to the rest of the team?

I don't know what I think about that. This team is a shell.

 

[Herby]

This team is a shell.

Looking more and more like they are going the way of the 2010-2013 Boston Bruins.

Players falling off, management making awful decision on top of awful decision.

Kings are fortunate to be in the Pacific which features those three garbage Canadian teams and the Coyotes.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I really do think that Dean is doing this in the best interest of Brown. Not to humiliate him, but to get him to play with the edge, vim and vigor he used to display when he didn't have to think.

Brown used to play with emotion and you can tell he was a reactionary player who played at an insane level of intensity. This is back when he was delivering crushing blows to guys like Chris Pronger, Nick Lidstrom, Joe Sakic, he wouldn't care who he ran over and he would get under the skin of his opponents due to his abrasive nature. I won't forget when he drilled Marty Turco and how often Brendan Morrow would go after him.

Those are reasons why Dustin Brown was awarded with a retirement contract from the Kings. I think that is the player Dean Lombardi wants to see return in that #23 sweater. If he can get back to doing what he was known to do prior to 2014, then I don't think anyone would have a problem with his cap hit. The player over the past three seasons is not something we want to see for the upcoming five years.

I really don't think this spells the end of Dustin Brown in LA. I highly anticipate to see how he responds, particularly with his on-ice performance. If he's going to sandbag it and mail in his performance then I hope there are options out there to move Brown elsewhere. His struggles are a large part of why this team has struggled over the past couple of seasons. They're not getting the performance that is needed from him.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

What is the point?

Is this because they want to go in a new leadership direction?
Did Brown do something wrong off the ice?
Or is this Kings management trying to shame Brown into accepting a trade?

Brown's play has clearly fallen off, but what does that have to do with being the captain of the team?

Brown was an integral part of two championship teams and has been with the franchise for 13 years, captain for almost nine, and this is how he gets treated?

And yes, in the past three years two peoples job performances have fallen off more than anyone else, one of them is the team captain and the other one is the general manager. If one has to move on, maybe the other should as well (or atleast uptairs). Is there a team that has been as poorly managed the last two calendar years as the Kings?

I think these are all fantastic questions that everyone wants answered regardless of what comes next. I hope we get a long-winded response from DL at some point this offseason.

But...

I really do think that Dean is doing this in the best interest of Brown. Not to humiliate him, but to get him to play with the edge, vim and vigor he used to display when he didn't have to think.

Brown used to play with emotion and you can tell he was a reactionary player who played at an insane level of intensity. This is back when he was delivering crushing blows to guys like Chris Pronger, Nick Lidstrom, Joe Sakic, he wouldn't care who he ran over and he would get under the skin of his opponents due to his abrasive nature. I won't forget when he drilled Marty Turco and how often Brendan Morrow would go after him.

Those are reasons why Dustin Brown was awarded with a retirement contract from the Kings. I think that is the player Dean Lombardi wants to see return in that #23 sweater. If he can get back to doing what he was known to do prior to 2014, then I don't think anyone would have a problem with his cap hit. The player over the past three seasons is not something we want to see for the upcoming five years.

I really don't think this spells the end of Dustin Brown in LA. I highly anticipate to see how he responds, particularly with his on-ice performance. If he's going to sandbag it and mail in his performance then I hope there are options out there to move Brown elsewhere. His struggles are a large part of why this team has struggled over the past couple of seasons. They're not getting the performance that is needed from him.

I'm definitely hoping this is why.

Sort of like Mike Richards, a last-ditch effort to get performance out of the guy.

 

[Herby]

I don't think the comparisons are similar.

Richards had substance abuse problems going back to his days in Philly, he was a party animal who's habits finally caught up to him, and how was he rewarded by the GM, he was brought back despite all signs pointing to his career being over. Same thing with Stoll, he was rewarded witha ridiculous three year extension in 2012 coming off the worst season of his career, guess on ice performance didn't matter in this cases.

Brown is/was everything you would want out of a captain, he is one of the good guys in the entire NHL.

I'm sorry, but this just reeks of desperation and is yet another black eye on this organization, which there have been many since June 2014. Would have no problem with a trade, but stripping a two time cup winning captain and longest tenured player of his C is pathetic.