Value of: Brown/Kapanen for Kylington/Andersson

[one77]

Connor Brown was drafted 156th over all (6th round)....he has dominated at every level, gets very little regard other than from Leaf fans.

Exactly. Brown is going to be one of the best draft picks in recent history for the Leafs (not talking about 1st overall picks here, talking about steals)

 

[Skobel24]

I really don't have interest in Kapanen, and wouldn't want to give up what the Leafs would want for Brown. Outside of the Flames top 3 defense, there isn't much at an NHL level. Can't really afford to move Kylington or Rasmus.

 

[Mugzy97]

I really hope Kapanen becomes a good 2nd line winger, because he gets annihilated around here after having a really good AHL season as a 19 year old. People act like he has no value because "he was a throw-in in the kessel deal". Well, to get traded for Kessel is almost a compliment because Kessel is a hell of a hockey player.

I'd rather keep Kappy and let him prove people wrong instead of trading him off for less than he's worth.

 

[Skobel24]

I really hope Kapanen becomes a good 2nd line winger, because he gets annihilated around here after having a really good AHL season as a 19 year old. People act like he has no value because "he was a throw-in in the kessel deal". Well, to get traded for Kessel is almost a compliment because Kessel is a hell of a hockey player.

I'd rather keep Kappy and let him prove people wrong instead of trading him off for less than he's worth.

I like Kapanen, and I don't think he was a 'throw in', but he definitely lacks IQ. I think that's the only thing holding him back from being an excellent player.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Connor Brown was drafted 156th over all (6th round)....he has dominated at every level, gets very little regard other than from Leaf fans.

Toronto's prospects are also discussed a lot more than Calgary's. I'm sure that more know who Connor Brown is and how good he is than Kylington...especially after a summer of the Leafs pumping his tires, ha ha.

 

[CatchyTune]

I wouldn't trade Brown for either and maybe not even both.

I really don't like Kylington (at least not at that price) but I would trade Kapanen for Andersoon

 

[Liferleafer]

Toronto's prospects are also discussed a lot more than Calgary's. I'm sure that more know who Connor Brown is and how good he is than Kylington...especially after a summer of the Leafs pumping his tires, ha ha.

Connor Brown:
3 Years in the OHL
199 games, 250 points 1.26PPG

2 Years in the AHL
110 games, 90 points .82PPG

7 NHL games, 6 points (obviously very small sample)

We don't need to "pump his tires", they are plenty pumped already,

 

[Chaos]

Kylington is such a ridiculously underrated prospect because of his draft position. Remember, this kid was ranked to go top 10 and slid for some strange reason, and since the draft has shown that it was a mistake for so many teams to pass on him. Not suggesting Brown isn't good, but Kylington is very underrated by nearly everyone. And I hate to admit that, I'm an Oilers fan and wish all of Calgary's picks were trash.

I'd argue he's way overrated because of his high ranking before his draft year began. Then when he doesnt perform well in his draft year and slides in the rankings, all of a sudden he's a "steal" because he as ranked highly before the year began. and because he gets picked later.

There's usually a pretty good reason guys like that "fall" in the draft.

 

[Skobel24]

I'd argue he's way overrated because of his high ranking before his draft year began. Then when he doesnt perform well in his draft year and slides in the rankings, all of a sudden he's a "steal" because he as ranked highly before the year began. and because he gets picked later.

There's usually a pretty good reason guys like that "fall" in the draft.

I'd call him a bit of a steal, simply because there is a ton of potential in him, especially considering where he was drafted. He's far from a bluechip guy though. High risk/reward type.

 

[tyflames]

What's with the recent proposals for kylington/Anderson or both? Calgary is going to need both of them and will have no interest trading them as giordano is aging and Wideman is off the books next summer.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Not trading Brown.

I'm not as high on Kapanen though so maybe

 

[Some Other Flame]

No interest in trading either Kylington or Andersson, especially for Kapanen. Brown seems good but is slightly undersized, so not much interest there either.

 

[DJJones]

Short of a gross over-payment there is no way we trade either of Kylington or Andersson.

Not even remotely interested. Don't see how Brown is any different than Agostino or Shinkaruk and both those guys are pretty meh to me.

Edit; Now I'm thinking about how mad I am about not signing Derek Grant haha. God I hate some of our contracts

 

[Reinhart]

Andersson is expendable in my eyes - though I like him.

Kylington would require an overpayment. Why else move him? He has tremendous upside, great offensive IQ, great shot from the point and is an absolutely filthy skater.

Org is really high on him too. Hickey is a step or two below him, and then Andersson is next.

Seriously, I doubt the Flames would entertain many offers for Kylington at this point. He was playing on the top pairing in the AHL for long stretches - kid was 18 for most of the season. I consider him a blue-chipper, and it seems the Flames' brass feels the same way about him.

 

[Gavy]

Not worth it for the Leafs

 

[WTFMAN99]

Andersson is expendable in my eyes - though I like him.

Kylington would require an overpayment. Why else move him? He has tremendous upside, great offensive IQ, great shot from the point and is an absolutely filthy skater.

Org is really high on him too. Hickey is a step or two below him, and then Andersson is next.

Seriously, I doubt the Flames would entertain many offers for Kylington at this point. He was playing on the top pairing in the AHL for long stretches - kid was 18 for most of the season. I consider him a blue-chipper, and it seems the Flames' brass feels the same way about him.

I'd be willing to do Kapanen for Andersson, doesn't seem like a lot of Flames fans are up for it though. Our prospect strength is on wing right now and we need some more RD.

 

[Erndog]

Yet the Leafs have the best prospect pool in the league, so your post is way off, I can smell the bitterness from here.

I thought it was pretty clear I was being sarcastic and just trying to sound like a typical fanbase for about 20 teams on here.

 

[DJJones]

I have Andersson higher than Kylington. Kylington has an elite ceiling but who knows if he'll get there. If everything works out perfectly, he may be like Brodie.

Andersson is a lot more likely to crack a top 4 though.

 

[Kritty]

Not sure if serious...if so...can you name just ONE organization that brown and kapanen are not top 10 prospects in?

Haha, easily. The team that this post wants to send Brown to, Calgary. Depending on how you classify a prospect:

Tkachuk
Gillies
Jankowski
Mangiapane
Kylington
Andersson
Poirier
Parsons
MacDonald
Pollock

Hickey, Kulak, Fox and Dube are all guys I would put in contention with Brown as well and that's not to mention some darkhorse picks that have some definite potential in guys like Tuulola, Phillips and others. To be honest, I'd almost put all of their 2016 picks ahead of Brown.

 

[garyturner3]

Haha, easily. The team that this post wants to send Brown to, Calgary. Depending on how you classify a prospect:

Tkachuk
Gillies
Jankowski
Mangiapane
Kylington
Andersson
Poirier
Parsons
MacDonald
Pollock

Hickey, Kulak, Fox and Dube are all guys I would put in contention with Brown as well and that's not to mention some darkhorse picks that have some definite potential in guys like Tuulola, Phillips and others. To be honest, I'd almost put all of their 2016 picks ahead of Brown.

I would LOVE to see your logic for each of these guys being a better prospect than Brown. It must be good because any prospect ranking list you can find out there drastically disagrees with your clearly very biased opinion. The latest big one (ESPN's top 120) has Kylington and Tkatchuk ranked higher than Brown and not a single other of the guys you mentioned even on the list.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Haha, easily. The team that this post wants to send Brown to, Calgary. Depending on how you classify a prospect:

Tkachuk
Gillies
Jankowski
Mangiapane
Kylington
Andersson
Poirier
Parsons
MacDonald
Pollock

Hickey, Kulak, Fox and Dube are all guys I would put in contention with Brown as well and that's not to mention some darkhorse picks that have some definite potential in guys like Tuulola, Phillips and others. To be honest, I'd almost put all of their 2016 picks ahead of Brown.

Tkachuk is probably the only prospect I'd put clearly above Brown, maybe Poirier, Connor Brown has been very productive in the AHL and had a great stint in the NHL posting 6 pts in 7GP.

Calgary's prospect pool is nothing special.

 

[Flamesjustwin]

Both fanbases say no, nothing to discuss here.

 

[DJJones]

Tkachuk is probably the only prospect I'd put clearly above Brown, maybe Poirier, Connor Brown has been very productive in the AHL and had a great stint in the NHL posting 6 pts in 7GP.

Calgary's prospect pool is nothing special.

Poirier ranked 8th in our prospect pool rankings. Mangiapane, Kulak and Parsons should all be ahead of him imo. Fox and Dube are intriguing as well. We just always give extra credit because he's more developed.

We have the best prospect depth we've ever head right now. Monahan, Bennett, and Gaudreau all graduated recently so we're a little low on elite prospects but the depth is just fantastic. Probably 5 defensive prospects that are NHL caliber. We won't have to sign a UFA defense for 5 years after this year. Tkachuk and Jankowski should be top 6. A few long shots that could be as well. Then we have a steady supply of bottom 6 players. We are set up very nicely to being able to go young and cheap whenever contracts are up.

We already have our core, we need the depth now and I think we have the potential for some surprises.

 

[McSuper]

Connor Brown:
3 Years in the OHL
199 games, 250 points 1.26PPG

2 Years in the AHL
110 games, 90 points .82PPG

7 NHL games, 6 points (obviously very small sample)

We don't need to "pump his tires", they are plenty pumped already,

Not to compare they players but Justin Schultz ripped the AHL a new one . He also look good in a shorten year ( Lock out ) His tires needs plenty of air .

Point is just hope for the best but don't count on all prospects to become good players , some will bust

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

What's with the recent proposals for kylington/Anderson or both?

I am not sure, but my reaction to pretty much all of them:

Kylington in particular should be pretty much untouchable unless a cost-controlled NHL star player or Boeser-type RW prospect is in the return. All his perceived weaknesses turned out to be overblown and easily fixed and he had a fine draft+1 year in the AHL for us, and with his incredible skating has a lot of margin for error anyways. Other knowledgeable Flames fans like Caged Great have noted that he is now as a 19YO where Brodie was as a ~22YO. Why we would let him go for anything short of a glaring long term team need is baffling.