Value of: Brock Nelson & Kyle Palmieri
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miscs75
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They can get more for Brock. He’ll go for a 1st, prospect and young roster player easily. However, I’m dumping Wahlstrom before Palmieri honestly.
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What do you mean? Whalstrom could be had for whatever.. palms is legit
Yea I’d agree that Brock should be had for around the Horvat package but maybe a little lesser prospect. I’d definitely want a nhl player in the package back though that could at least play next year. I think Palmieri would probably go for a 2nd with retention. Idk why anybody’s mentioning Wahlstrom, he probably clears waivers lol
I don’t think trading as a package is feasible, you’re talking about 11 mil in cap and probably needing another team to help out? Just trade them separately, it’s less complicated and they should get decent value. If Nelson continues trending towards yet another 35 goal season it’s an easy first rounder plus and Palmieri is off to a solid start too.
Nelson is severely underrated. 69 points last year and 75 the year before that. And he only makes $6 million. At 50% retention, most playoff teams would be able to fit him in under the cap. So you get a damn good 2C at 3C money.
Palmieri scored 30 last year. Less valuable than Nelson imo but still a good piece.
If a team acquires both, it immediately stacks their top 9.
So yes, it would put a teams offence over the top. Over the top in general will depend on how the rest of the team is constructed, obviously.
I don't see a package deal being worth it. You are severely limiting the teams that would be interested and have both the assets and cap space to take on both. The TDL assets that net the best return vis-a-vis their perceived value are ones that have the biggest range of potential suitors.
Nelson seems like a potential fit for Nashville if they have rebounded (looks like they already are to some degree) and "in the hunt" come February/TDL time period. Too many options suggested for them seem to either be bottom six centers, which they have already or wingers who occasionally can masquerade as centers. Nelson would be a viable short-term true top six center solution if available.
I'm not a Nashville fan so they may have their own opinions and cap hit would certainly be an issue as would be the idea of expenditure of higher end assets for what would almost assuredly be a rental only. But in terms of filling the gap that they have - it seems reasonable.
Nelson seems like a potential fit for Nashville if they have rebounded (looks like they already are to some degree) and "in the hunt" come February/TDL time period. Too many options suggested for them seem to either be bottom six centers, which they have already or wingers who occasionally can masquerade as centers. Nelson would be a viable short-term true top six center solution if available.
I'm not a Nashville fan so they may have their own opinions and cap hit would certainly be an issue as would be the idea of expenditure of higher end assets for what would almost assuredly be a rental only. But in terms of filling the gap that they have - it seems reasonable.
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I'm assuming you mean top 9 with more potential young roster player, and at least a B tier prospect? That seems like a lot for UFA that turned 33. I think if they can get a 1st and a good prospect, or a 1st and a solid contributing player, that's a win. He's good player and any playoff team would gladly take him but I don't know how many can sign him going forward. I would trade them separately.
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Nelson is their best forward and arguably best player. He’d return a boatload. That guy is a hockey player.
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Basically that but if it’s the equivalent of Beauvillier, Raty and a mid-late 1st it’s an iffy one. Beau already on his 3rd team since the trade and won’t move the needle on any team. As for Raty, he doesn’t move much of a needle either. I’d ask for a higher end prospect if the roster player is mediocre or a cap dump (most likely scenario).
As for Palmieri, I can see him easily signing in the offseason at a pay cut to stay here. I don’t think he wants to play anywhere that isn’t here or NJ.
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I’d love Nelson on the Canes. He’d be perfect behind Aho as the 2nd line center playing for Rod.
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Nelson's worth a 1st and a very good prospect.
Palmieri's probably worth a 2nd and another pick...maybe someone's former 1st that's doing nothing instead of the 2nd.
Regardless, they're both going to be around the 25-30 goal mark by the trade deadline and their value will be pretty high...depends on the market (obviously!)
Palmieri's probably worth a 2nd and another pick...maybe someone's former 1st that's doing nothing instead of the 2nd.
Regardless, they're both going to be around the 25-30 goal mark by the trade deadline and their value will be pretty high...depends on the market (obviously!)
Who is the contender that doesn't have a better 2C than Nelson. Every guy the Islanders have ever dealt at the deadline does the same thing. He goes from getting premium minutes for the Isles and gets traded to a deeper team, doesn't get the linemates or PP time, and immediately looks like a bust because he isn't producing like did on Long Island.
Granted some of these teams are arguable but I would say Colorado, Tampa, Boston, Carolina, Winnipeg. Probably a couple more where Nelson is very close to that team’s current 2C, in which case the addition of Nelson would give them insane depth down the middle.
Production will take a hit when ice time takes a hit, but the limited production Nelson would provide on a third line is more than any other third liner, hence my point about depth.
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I’m an Islanders fan but I don’t follow the Canes much. Would you view Kotkaniemi as a positive or negative value, cause I remember last year he was pretty bad and the contract was looking like an albatross, which we don’t need more off. Also I like Roslovic and Blake, but I feel there’s too many pieces for a realistic trade. I’d say something like Roslovic, 2025 1st, and a better prospect than Blake might fit better but I’d be curious to hear what other fans think.
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That doesn't work. Kotkaniemi and that 8 year deal and salary is not something we want. Roslovic is a negative value.
We would be looking for something similar to the Horvat deal. A 1st, a top spec (Raty was rated in our top 5) and a top 9 forward.
I'm thinking more 1st rounder, Drury and a top 10 spec winger.
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I would strongly consider doing this, NYI gets younger and gets an additional 1st for an expiring contract. NYI needs to reset some of the lineup.
KK = 24yo
Roslovic = 28yo
2025 1st = 18yo
Jackson Blake = 21yo
Trade JGP at the TDL as well. Then separate Barzal from Horvat and have to roll centers as follows:
Horvat
Barzal
Roslovic
Cizikas/MacLean
Of course, moving forward you'd probably have to re-sign Roslovic to a shorter term deal to be the 3C but hey he just signed a 1yr - $2.8m AAV,
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I can’t see them moving Drury but that could be an outsiders perspective that’s wrong.
