Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

[PuckMunchkin]

I've been thinking about this quite a bit...

He has obviously looked far more effective these two games then the previous part of the season.

I don't actually like that at all. I don't quite know how to phrase this... My background in physio probably has me focus too much on player injuries as excuses for lack of performance. That is a bias that lead me to give Olli Juolevi an infinite number of passes as an example... But that is just an excuse. If Brock can turn it on to this degree when he cares to... To be honest, that is bullshit.

I'm going to owe @MS a massive apology for fighting him (dirty) on this matter. And I am already preparing a massive serving of crow for my self.

 

[racerjoe]

I've been thinking about this quite a bit...

He has obviously looked far more effective these two games then the previous part of the season.

I don't actually like that at all. I don't quite know how to phrase this... My background in physio probably has me focus too much on player injuries as excuses for lack of performance. That is a bias that lead me to give Olli Juolevi an infinite number of passes as an example... But that is just an excuse. If Brock can turn it on to this degree when he cares to... To be honest, that is bullshit.

I'm going to owe @MS a massive apology for fighting him (dirty) on this matter. And I am already preparing a massive serving of crow for my self.

If it helps I have already started to eat crow on re-signing him, though I won't finish said crow until he is traded.

 

[26Mats]

If it helps I have already started to eat crow on re-signing him, though I won't finish said crow until he is traded.

Habs fan here. Was wondering, why has his production been declining?

 

[racerjoe]

Habs fan here. Was wondering, why has his production been declining?

From my perspective is injuries have caught up to him. People talk about his wrists, but he can still shoot the puck, it is his skating and quickness. While never a fast skater, now being even slower is causing major issues. This also means less time on PP1, and at times playing in the top 6.

 

[Gstank]

Habs fan here. Was wondering, why has his production been declining?

Not getting PP1 minutes and isnt on a line with Petey

As far as our wingers go
Miller > Kuz > Mik > Boeser > Garland

 

[tyhee]

I'd be in favour of a 100% salary payout with no cap repercussions. The NHLPA ought to be okay with that -- a player gets all the money they signed for, plus they become a UFA. I'm not seeing a downside here.

If one doesn't care about the owners' profitability or any league attempt to minimize the financial advantage rich teams have then there is no downside, but this would ruin what the owners fought so hard and cancelled an entire season for. Rich teams could simply sign most of the good players at will and keep those that show best relative to their cap hits, cutting the rest.

 

[kanucks25]

F**king pay the man

 

[Aphid Attraction]

F**king pay the man

Lol. They did… but I know what you did.

 

[kanucks25]

Lol. They did… but I know what you did.

I'm baked, thought this was the Kuzmenko thread.

Carry on.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

 

[Uhmkay]

I think the question between whether to keep Boeser or Kuzmkenko.... you have to consider what you're going to get in return and what's best for the long term... we're not winning the cup this year.

With Boeser, you're lucky if you get anything back and probably even going to be asked to retain money.

With Kuzmenko, if he's going to score 30-35+, you're likely easily getting a 1st round pick... plus Brock replaces Kuzmenko on the Pettersson line and his goal scoring likely goes up significantly. Like on at least a 25 goal pace over the coarse of 82. Could we also possibly use Kuzmenko in a package to get rid of another terrible contract?

So, do you want

1) Kuzmenko + nothing

2) Boeser + 1st round pick (at least).

 

[David71]

why not reunite the lotto line. petey boeser miller.



preinjury boeser we probbaly wont ever see this again.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

why not reunite the lotto line. petey boeser miller.



preinjury boeser we probbaly wont ever see this again.

He was so agile before the back injury.. forgot that.

 

[Tact]

That video just makes me miss the Sedins lol

 

[PuckMunchkin]

That video just makes me miss the Sedins lol

Well, that too.

We were a respectable sports organisation back then.

 

[Fatass]

He was so agile before the back injury.. forgot that.

I think Brock was 20 pounds lighter then too, wasn’t he?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Canucks are going to have to make a decision on Kuzmenko around the TDL....Sign him or trade him.

 

[MS]

I think the question between whether to keep Boeser or Kuzmkenko.... you have to consider what you're going to get in return and what's best for the long term... we're not winning the cup this year.

With Boeser, you're lucky if you get anything back and probably even going to be asked to retain money.

With Kuzmenko, if he's going to score 30-35+, you're likely easily getting a 1st round pick... plus Brock replaces Kuzmenko on the Pettersson line and his goal scoring likely goes up significantly. Like on at least a 25 goal pace over the coarse of 82. Could we also possibly use Kuzmenko in a package to get rid of another terrible contract?

So, do you want

1) Kuzmenko + nothing

2) Boeser + 1st round pick (at least).

You want (1) over (2) and it isn't even close.

The track record of picks in the last 10 of the first round absolutely blows. Getting dazzled by the most overrated asset in hockey and keeping a bad, overpaid player over an actual difference-maker as a result is just about the worst management possible.

 

[iceburg]

Habs fan here. Was wondering, why has his production been declining?

Boeser has always been inconsistent, in part due to injuries. This year he is clearly being outplayed by a 26 year old rookie from the KHL. As a result, his opportunities have lessened, leading to an even greater decrease in production. He needs a new zip code (assuming he wants to go back to the states).

 

[VanJack]

Let's face it, the biggest reason the Canucks will probably have to trade Horvat and will struggle to re-sign Kuzmenko, is because they signed Boeser and Miller to big-ticket contracts first.

Why? Nowhere for Miller and Boeser to go but down.....meantime they could lose one of their best two-way centers, and a scoring winger in his prime, which are almost impossible to find.

Did this questionable decision rest with Allvin or Rutherford.....or was the owner meddling again?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

You want (1) over (2) and it isn't even close.

The track record of picks in the last 10 of the first round absolutely blows. Getting dazzled by the most overrated asset in hockey and keeping a bad, overpaid player over an actual difference-maker as a result is just about the worst management possible.

I dont really see that when I look at the -18, -17, -16, -15, and -14 drafts.

Not sure how you came up with this idea.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Boeser has always been inconsistent, in part due to injuries. This year he is clearly being outplayed by a 26 year old rookie from the KHL. As a result, his opportunities have lessened, leading to an even greater decrease in production. He needs a new zip code (assuming he wants to go back to the states).

Just want to add that said 26 year old rookie is outplaying all the wingers on this team.

 

[MS]

I dont really see that when I look at the -18, -17, -16, -15, and -14 drafts.

Not sure how you came up with this idea.

I … really?

Of those 50 picks, there are 5-7 guys who would qualify as quality core NHL players. It’s a 10-15% hit rate on getting actual value from those picks in that range.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I … really?

Of those 50 picks, there are 5-7 guys who would qualify as quality core NHL players. It’s a 10-15% hit rate on getting actual value from those picks in that range.

Core NHLer is your bar?

Okay wow.

Are we even likely yo get that with our this years own 1st? Might as well trade that away as a sweetener for a cap dump?

 

[MS]

Core NHLer is your bar?

Okay wow.

Are we even likely yo get that with our this years own 1st? Might as well trade that away as a sweetener for a cap dump?

I mean, those are the players with actual value. Maybe 30% of guys stick in the NHL but half are guys who simply aren’t worth much of anything.

If you trade a core player that you could re-sign and get back a late first round pick, you are generally losing that trade.


It’s frankly f***ing astonishing how many fans think that trading actual good NHL players for crappy overrated draft picks is some sort of big win.

Top-10 picks are worth a fortune. A #26 overall pick is not much of anything.