Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

[David Bruce Banner]

So, maybe we should think of moving him now?

 

[Canucker]

So, maybe we should think of moving him now?

And replace him with? I understand the whole "sell high" thing, but we need scoring from the wing and he's now providing that, and playing well defensively on a very good 2nd line...I'm not sure what the end goal is if we're trading high production players when we're clearly in a "win now" window (and near the top of the standings). Of course, this could all go in the shitter by the trade deadline and maybe he is worth selling off, but I wouldn't consider it right now myself.

 

[Luck 6]

It’s looking like a bit of a break out year for Boeser. Guys need to realize that players can break out in their mid to late twenties, it isn’t always “they are what they are”. Heck, even the Sedins broke out to their peak in their late twenties, and they were good players before that. Miller is another example.

I guess that’s why teams stack and don’t give up on players in that age range. Sometimes they are working though injuries, maturity problems, practice / professional problems, etc. that temporarily hold them back.

I’m not saying Boeser can maintain this pace, but he passes the eye test, we can’t rule out that he’s taken another step. This team is going to be fun for this reason… Lots of guys in this age range that could break out in a positive winning situation.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

And replace him with? I understand the whole "sell high" thing, but we need scoring from the wing and he's now providing that, and playing well defensively on a very good 2nd line...I'm not sure what the end goal is if we're trading high production players when we're clearly in a "win now" window (and near the top of the standings). Of course, this could all go in the shitter by the trade deadline and maybe he is worth selling off, but I wouldn't consider it right now myself.

Maybe give Garland a chance?
Or Pod, when he's healthy again?

If we could move both Bo and Beau, we might have the cap room for that center or RD that we want. Hell, a good enough center might just move Miller back to the wing.

Regardless, at this point I'm of the opinion that Brock's current streak is more the outlier and not his last few seasons.

 

[Canucker]

Maybe give Garland a chance?
Or Pod, when he's healthy again?

If we could move both Bo and Beau, we might have the cap room for that center or RD that we want. Hell, a good enough center might just move Miller back to the wing.

Regardless, at this point I'm of the opinion that Brock's current streak is more the outlier and not his last few seasons.

I mean I guess you could do those things? I just don't see the point really right now...I think we have a good thing going, ride it until the wheels fall off. Plus, I don't think we're moving Boeser without taking significant money back, who has the cap space to do that and give up a quality piece that they want to exchange? Just seems like a very unlikely thing to happen.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

I mean I guess you could do those things? I just don't see the point really right now...I think we have a good thing going, ride it until the wheels fall off. Plus, I don't think we're moving Boeser without taking significant money back, who has the cap space to do that and give up a quality piece that they want to exchange? Just seems like a very unlikely thing to happen.

I agree with you. With the team performing the way it is, why f*** with it?
At the same time, Brock has been an inefficient investment for the last few years and the amount of "sweetener" or money back that we would have to take is less now, than it has been for a while. Even if we took money back, maybe we could lose the extra year?
It's largely academic. What we have is working and whatever malignant team chemistry we had seems to have abated.
Beauvillier seems to me to be the real odd man out at the moment. But once we go off this heater, maybe we should be open to some other moves.

 

[Canucker]

I agree with you. With the team performing the way it is, why f*** with it?
At the same time, Brock has been an inefficient investment for the last few years and the amount of "sweetener" or money back that we would have to take is less now, than it has been for a while. Even if we took money back, maybe we could lose the extra year?
It's largely academic. What we have is working and whatever malignant team chemistry we had seems to have abated.
Beauvillier seems to me to be the real odd man out at the moment. But once we go off this heater, maybe we should be open to some other moves.

Yeah, trying to move out Beauvillier for sure...and then Garland and Myers to a less urgent degree would be my priorities...but it also depends on who is available, and at what cost. Management is going to have to weigh salary cleared vs salary taken on to improve the lineup this season and trying to be able to maintain a cushion for re-signing Petey and Hronek, and any other future additions to the roster. Will be interesting to see how they manage this season.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Yeah, trying to move out Beauvillier for sure...and then Garland and Myers to a less urgent degree would be my priorities...but it also depends on who is available, and at what cost. Management is going to have to weigh salary cleared vs salary taken on to improve the lineup this season and trying to be able to maintain a cushion for re-signing Petey and Hronek, and any other future additions to the roster. Will be interesting to see how they manage this season.

Honestly, all else aside, I'd like to see Beauvillier, Myers, Garland and Brock moved, in that order.
Beauvillier is the only one I think is gone for sure this season, though. All the rest require a viable replacement or retention or picks or a reciprocal bad contract coming back.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

So, maybe we should think of moving him now?

Good thing we're not in management.

Literally stuck with him through the darkest time in his life to see him finally come back to what he can truly be. An inspiring story. Good friends with the Canucks core. A vital two way player that provides quality and is money for his contract. And 2nd in the league in goals.

Trade him because its NHL 24 GM mode.

 

[arttk]

Maybe we can trade Boes for Nylander because Treliving is that kind of GM

 

[Ita]

I agree with you. With the team performing the way it is, why f*** with it?
At the same time, Brock has been an inefficient investment for the last few years and the amount of "sweetener" or money back that we would have to take is less now, than it has been for a while. Even if we took money back, maybe we could lose the extra year?
It's largely academic. What we have is working and whatever malignant team chemistry we had seems to have abated.
Beauvillier seems to me to be the real odd man out at the moment. But once we go off this heater, maybe we should be open to some other moves.

Hillarious you still perceive him to be a negative asset. Glad you are not a GM.

 

[Tables of Stats]

Maybe give Garland a chance?
Or Pod, when he's healthy again?

If we could move both Bo and Beau, we might have the cap room for that center or RD that we want. Hell, a good enough center might just move Miller back to the wing.

Regardless, at this point I'm of the opinion that Brock's current streak is more the outlier and not his last few seasons.

Given the factors that seemingly underpinned his poor play why would you assume that that version of Brock was the real one? Until the wheels fall off him, and thus far there have been no signs of that happening, I'm inclined to believe that this version of Brock and Bubble Brock are the real deal and that he's just had a shitty couple of years away from the rink and with injuries that hurt his ability to play at the level we've seen him reach multiple times now.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Hillarious you still perceive him to be a negative asset. Glad you are not a GM.

He's still a slow, overpaid, one zone player. Maybe not overpaid, the way he's playing now, but I'm still not sold on the New Brock.

 

[shottasasa]

He's still a slow, overpaid, one zone player. Maybe not overpaid, the way he's playing now, but I'm still not sold on the New Brock.

Playing like this he definitely isn't a one zone player. How many wingers in the NHL do you think can play on an effective checking line, are very good on the wall, score at a first line rate, and can play multiple positions effectively on the PP?

Boeser has his warts but I think some people can't seem to get over the fact Boeser isn't as fast as they would like.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Kuz seemed to be somewhat neutered on this road trip 5 on 5...He wasn't getting a lot of space, which really put him in the foreground...Petey was better at fighting through it.

Looked good on the power play though.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Good thing we're not in management.

Literally stuck with him through the darkest time in his life to see him finally come back to what he can truly be. An inspiring story. Good friends with the Canucks core. A vital two way player that provides quality and is money for his contract. And 2nd in the league in goals.

Trade him because its NHL 24 GM mode.

Videogamelogic?

 

[Killer Orcas]

So, maybe we should think of moving him now?

You don't mess with any core player right now. They are winning and happy you ride this out. I know sell high but these guys are just too good right now to be tinkering with.

 

[DFAC]

So happy he’s playing well and proving us all wrong. Everyone loves a good comeback story.

He’s probably the most improved player on the team from last year

 

[Huhu]

Cap space is worth more than goals right now; if he's traded, we'd need to take a similar contract back. Only 4 teams have the cap room to take $6 million onto their books, 2 of them are supposed to be rebuilding. It's just super difficult to make a trade right now, Minnesota and San Jose received praise for trading a couple of players within the cap, and those players were making close to league minimum. I doubt there's a deal out there right now that would make sense for the Canucks.

Plus I'm sentimental and don't really want to trade him anyway.

 

[Vector]

So, maybe we should think of moving him now?

I think with all the effort the organization, and Boeser himself, have put into conditioning and improving his game they wouldn't even think of moving him at the moment. He's also an important part of the most consistent line on the team.

Crazy to say this after all the trash I've thrown his way but Boeser has played his way into being indispensable this season. The off-season is a different conversation.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

He's still a slow, overpaid, one zone player. Maybe not overpaid, the way he's playing now, but I'm still not sold on the New Brock.

I see someone has only watched highlights this season

 

[Nucky]

I’m here to eat crow. He looks very good this season. He’s in better shape and playing with more confidence.

 

[oceanchild]

I think with all the effort the organization, and Boeser himself, have put into conditioning and improving his game they wouldn't even think of moving him at the moment. He's also an important part of the most consistent line on the team.

Crazy to say this after all the trash I've thrown his way but Boeser has played his way into being indispensable this season. The off-season is a different conversation.

Given what has happened and how hard he worked to make his way back, I don’t think it would be a good move to trade him in season. Him and Petey are close and the other players may not take it well given the context. It really would be playing with fire.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Poor Kuzy, he played so well tonight

 

[Knight53]

Tied for the league lead in goals and 9th in scoring. Playing fantastic 2-way hockey. This is a clear minded player now, playing to his ultimate potential. The biggest development for this franchise so far is Boeser playing like the star he is.