Brind'Amour throws Tulsky under the bus for the Rantanen situation: "And the question is, should we have known that before we attempted to sign him?"

[Kcb12345]

Canes GM confirms he had no clue whether Rantanen would sign with them or not. At the time of the trade he told them he only wanted Colorado

 

[Voight]

Rod Brind'Amour is old school. It doesn't surprise me that he may not mesh all that well with his highly-educated, analytics-driven GM.

Jeff O'Neill had a comment a while ago on Overdrive where he basically said, "I had a coach tell me that every day, a guy from the team's analytics department comes down and gives him a nice folder with a report in it. And every day, he politely says thank you, and when the guy leaves the room, he throws it right in the dust bin."

Now I have a hunch at who that coach might me...

Thats why hiring the math whiz/analytics guy isn't usually the right move. Chayka sucked and tried to cheat the system. Dubai hasn't been very good. Tulsky not looking too great these days.

 

[LPHabsFan]

Or, Rantanen/his agent didn’t take something seriously that the Avalanche and Carolina did. If they had taken it seriously, they wouldn’t have agreed to sign with Carolina, thus preventing the trade in the first place.

Still sticking by this narrative?

So the new meme from Montreal is going to be Tulsky is a rube?

Ok then.

I don't represent the entirety of the Montreal fanbase.

As far as the rube comment, I'm going to let Tulsky's own words demonstrate that.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Still sticking by this narrative?


I don't represent the entirety of the Montreal fanbase.

As far as the rube comment, I'm going to let Tulsky's own words demonstrate that.

well, nothing more salty than a Habs fan re: Canes management and team.

FWIW: I'll take Tulsky's work in his years at the Canes versus Bergeron's and the current cast of characters running your show today.

 

[Michoulicious]

Canes GM confirms he had no clue whether Rantanen would sign with them or not. At the time of the trade he told them he only wanted Colorado

So they went with the trade anyways knowing all that.

Carolina's management is the responsible party here. They are the only reason they were in that situation at the deadline.

 

[Fatass]

Thats why hiring the math whiz/analytics guy isn't usually the right move. Chayka sucked and tried to cheat the system. Dubai hasn't been very good. Tulsky not looking too great these days.

Not as the boss for sure. But as a loud voice in the modern nhl it’s a must to have strong analytics department. The GM, who makes the final decision though, should be a smart hockey person first.

well, nothing more salty than a Habs fan re: Canes management and team.

FWIW: I'll take Tulsky's work in his years at the Canes versus Bergeron's and the current cast of characters running your show today.

Who on the current Canes’ core did Tulsky bring in? Jarvis?

 

[LPHabsFan]

well, nothing more salty than a Habs fan re: Canes management and team.

FWIW: I'll take Tulsky's work in his years at the Canes versus Bergeron's and the current cast of characters running your show today.

Well, first of all, it was Bergevin, not Bergeron. Secondly, you will find no bigger hater than I when it comes to Bergevin, as he set the Habs back ten years.

Overall though, that just shows the type of thinking you have and your inability to criticize moves your own team makes and to be able to see them for what they are. You do you though.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Who on the current Canes’ core did Tulsky bring in? Jarvis?

Without being in the room, no one can give you a clear answer. Tulsky worked in the analytics department in 2015, ran that department in 2017, became the VP of hockey management in 2018, the assistant GM in 2021, and now the GM. It's long been known that the team picked his brain for drafts/free agents/etc during his entire career here. So the answer may be as many as "all of them"?

 

[Mr Positive]

Seems like he could have meant he was criticizing MacFarland for trading Rantanen to Carolina without telling Tulsky about Rantanen's chances at re signing. I recall the rumors were just that the Avs didn't want to spend the money, so of course Carolina figured they might keep him if money was the only hang up.

Tulsky would not have been allowed to contact Rantanen or his agent before the trade.

 

[starsfan86]

Canes GM confirms he had no clue whether Rantanen would sign with them or not. At the time of the trade he told them he only wanted Colorado

We all know that video is obviously ai

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

At least victims who bought Rantanen jerseys are being offered free upgrades

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Canes GM confirms he had no clue whether Rantanen would sign with them or not

Ftr this was confirmed night of the first trade

 

[brentashton]

At least victims who bought Rantanen jerseys are being offered free upgrades

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Be funny if they asked for a

Brind D’Amour

nameplate on them.

 

[McFlyingV]

Honestly does it really matter? Carolina flipped him for more than they probably would have got if they flipped Necas.

 

[WhataKnight]

At least victims who bought Rantanen jerseys are being offered free upgrades

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That’s classy.

I can’t speak against anything that any team has done here.

The Avs got what they could for a guy they couldn’t sign within a comfortable timeframe. So did the Canes - with some nice assets. And Dallas got a guy they know is talented with the signature.

All three teams did pretty good here considering Rantanen's "commitment issues."

Despite any perceived miscommunication, Tulsky did his job (even though no one can tell me they didn't try prying Wyatt Johnston from the Stars, taking a boatload of picks when Dallas said nope.)

Be funny if they asked for a

Brind D’Amour

nameplate on them.

I would actually be all on that.

#17 was a boss.

 

[Antropovsky]

Seems like he could have meant he was criticizing MacFarland for trading Rantanen to Carolina without telling Tulsky about Rantanen's chances at re signing. I recall the rumors were just that the Avs didn't want to spend the money, so of course Carolina figured they might keep him if money was the only hang up.

Tulsky would not have been allowed to contact Rantanen or his agent before the trade.

A few posts above, Tulsky admits they talked to Rantanens agent and their focus was to be work out a deal with Colorado. Tulsky made the deal anyhow. It's not unusual for Teams to give permission to other teams to make deals with their players. It happens.

 

[Coffee]

At least victims who bought Rantanen jerseys are being offered free upgrades

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They shouldn’t do that

 

[serp]

Honestly does it really matter? Carolina flipped him for more than they probably would have got if they flipped Necas.

It's just a completely different type of package. What they ended up with is pretty much a rebuilding package . Rantanen was a win-now move and they had to switch that up.

 

[McFlyingV]

It's just a completely different type of package. What they ended up with is pretty much a rebuilding package . Rantanen was a win-now move and they had to switch that up.

I mean, yes, but value wise there's no chance that Necas was returning 2 1st, 2 3rds, and a young forward with top 6 upside. I think the Canes made out just fine with the swap, especially from a value perspective.

 

[serp]

I mean, yes, but value wise there's no chance that Necas was returning 2 1st, 2 3rds, and a young forward with top 6 upside. I think the Canes made out just fine with the swap, especially from a value perspective.

Would also have to include Jack Drury a Canes 2025 2nd , Canes 2025 3rd and 2026 4th in that and they took on the cap dump that is Taylor Hall now.

 

[McFlyingV]

Would also have to include Jack Drury a Canes 2025 2nd , Canes 2025 3rd and 2026 4th in that and they took on the cap dump that is Taylor Hall now.

Sure, so they weren't getting 2 1sts, 2 3rds and Stankoven for Necas, Drury, a 2nd+3rd+4th while taking on an expiring cap dump.

They got good value out of the deal at the end of the day.

 

[serp]

Sure, so they weren't getting 2 1sts, 2 3rds and Stankoven for Necas, Drury, a 2nd+3rd+4th while taking on an expiring cap dump.

They got good value out of the deal at the end of the day.

I think in the end all 3 teams got value but not sure Avs make the first deal if they know Rantanen ends up back in the division a few weeks later and on a longterm deal thats not even an overpay just kind of around the same what the Avs were offering themselves.

 

[dirtydanglez]

absolutely but at the same time rob is probably part of the reason why he didn't want to stay

 

[D1az]

I don't fully understand Rantanen's opposition to playing for Carolina.
A good team with good coaching, future looks good, and could have helped them finally win the cup again which would have been a nice legacy.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Why is Necas and Drury for Stankoven and draft capital so bad

Took a risk, didn’t pay off, immediately recognized it- and did their best to correct course.

That is life. Take calculated risks when you can, then make as best decisions as you can with the information you had at the time. Think he did a fine job.

They are worse during their window