Confirmed with Link: Brian Daccord, Special Asst. to Bill Armstrong resigns.

[BUX7PHX]

You’re willing to entertain him lying about both Family and Business but not about one or the other? Or that reckless/disruptive/neglectful behavior/health/crises out here or at home can’t impact both? Family and Business either here or at home? Isn’t it likely his networks are intertwined. It’s humans. They’re messy.

Also, if he just needs a few months away, that’s a pretty big problem. They’ve got to hire a coaching staff, trade some star players, draft the future, and hit some UFA home runs.

Honestly, this is mind numbing. I have no desire to speculate about any of this. Because it’s absolutely absurd to try. That goes for me and it goes for you too.

Sometimes people lie about messy work situations and say it’s a personal issue. Sometimes they don’t bother and they have loud and messy exits. Sometimes people have personal issues and have to leave. They always say “personal issues” in that case.

There’s one one thing can rule out, a messy and acrimonious exit. That didn’t happen. So either he fibbed and left quietly. Or he told the truth and left quietly. Fibbing isn’t more likely than not.

I think if you read the 1st sentence if this statement, it says it all.

If someone is willing to lie about both, or lie about one (while the other is the truth), the fact that someone would either lie about both reasons, or create one lie and one truth about leaving means..... they still felt compelled to have to lie about why they left in the first place.

If someone in his family or he were sick with physical or mental illness, then what purpose does focusing on your side business serve? If his side business is the issue (it's going under/failing/tax issues), last I checked you don't leave a source of income in Arizona to fix a diminishing source of income. That makes zero sense as well.

It is mind-numbing because the two reasons provided don't match, and the possible reasons that you provided only fill one of the criteria. Which tells me that the truth is that he gave the most basic, bland, and non-confrontational answer possible because he didn't want to broach the real reason why he left. Which is indicative of a messier organization behind the scenes than us as fans want to believe.

We will find out soon enough, I suppose, and if he gets hired by a different organization or sinply rides it out with his own business, it tells us that Arizona was not a high priority for him to leave after 8 months. We can just let it rest, but I think there are more breadcrumbs that the reasons for leaving are not just simply what was said to Craig and there are deeper issues that led to his decision.

 

[rt]

Read the original post from Twitter. Craig mentions stunning development.

As in, completely unexpected.

Think back to the last time we had a stunning development that was not considered to be a big deal amongst the higher ups. Wasn't that when the talk of player measurements happened, and our owner even said that he didn't see a whole lot to it, and that he didn't think we would even be seriously punished? Three draft picks punishment later and it sure seems like a big deal now.

A personal issue, depending on the magnitude, is a stunning development. I can tell you that Craig had no idea what’s going on with the Daccord situation. He knows as much as you and I. He’s also not speculating in an unhinged manner like you. That’s usually my job.

I don’t recall the owner speculating on the draft picks. Or even commenting. I remember Craig doing so. And being surprised. Which speaks only to his lack of insider knowledge. Which is also plainly clear in this case. You reading into his word selection in a tweet is crack pot conspiracy stuff. Craig has no idea. I promise. Hand to my heart.

 

[rt]

I think if you read the 1st sentence if this statement, it says it all.

If someone is willing to lie about both, or lie about one (while the other is the truth), the fact that someone would either lie about both reasons, or create one lie and one truth about leaving means..... they still felt compelled to have to lie about why they left in the first place.

If someone in his family or he were sick with physical or mental illness, then what purpose does focusing on your side business serve? If his side business is the issue (it's going under/failing/tax issues), last I checked you don't leave a source of income in Arizona to fix a diminishing source of income. That makes zero sense as well.

It is mind-numbing because the two reasons provided don't match, and the possible reasons that you provided only fill one of the criteria. Which tells me that the truth is that he gave the most basic, bland, and non-confrontational answer possible because he didn't want to broach the real reason why he left. Which is indicative of a messier organization behind the scenes than us as fans want to believe.

We will find out soon enough, I suppose, and if he gets hired by a different organization or sinply rides it out with his own business, it tells us that Arizona was not a high priority for him to leave after 8 months. We can just let it rest, but I think there are more breadcrumbs that the reasons for leaving are not just simply what was said to Craig and there are deeper issues that led to his decision.

Are you new to the species? Haha. Both things can be true, and the one that’s less personal can be held aside the other to deflect unwanted attention to a situation you’d prefer to be kept private. This is common sense man.

 

[rt]

Please explain how infidelity impacts his need to spend time with his business. Go.

Using his exact answer that he gave to Craig - he is going to focus on his family and his business. Focusing on your family during infidelity is wise. Focusing on your business after infidelity seems like priorities would be pretty out of whack if that becomes a focus, due to infidelity.

I think it is safe to say we could cross that one off the list, because he would probably be saying "focus on family" only and 100% of his efforts would be on that.

Dude. I’m really at a loss for words.

You've finally done it. You’ve shut the yap of the unstoppable jaw machine of this forum. I’m finally speechless.

Normally, I’d happily go back and forth on who knows what or doesn’t know what about hockey. But I’m gonna draw the line on trying to attempt to describe what an interpersonal relationship is.

Good luck!

 

[BUX7PHX]

Dude. I’m really at a loss for words.

You've finally done it. You’ve shut the yap of the unstoppable jaw machine of this forum. I’m finally speechless.

Normally, I’d happily go back and forth on who knows what or doesn’t know what about hockey. But I’m gonna draw the line on trying to attempt to describe what an interpersonal relationship is.

Good luck!

Lol. I asked for a simple response.

If you/I cheated on wife/girlfriend, why would either of us need to focus on work? Wouldn't the focus be on the significant other or family, and not work?

 

[rt]

Lol. I asked for a simple response.

If you/I cheated on wife/girlfriend, why would either of us need to focus on work? Wouldn't the focus be on the significant other or family, and not work?

Bud. He’s got a family business and a personal circle. No man is an island. Maybe you.

 

[BUX7PHX]

Bud. He’s got a family business and a personal circle. No man is an island. Maybe you.

Sure, depends on what your work is. If you are a pastor, or something like that, then absolutely something like infidelity impacts work or your focus on your work.

Focusing on work would be the last thing on my mind, even from a working relationship standpoint with the people I come into contact with 5 days out of the week. The first thing on my mind would be addressing the relationship with my wife and family first and only. That's where I am saying that the two reasons are relative opposites, when you really break it down.

 

[rt]

Sure, depends on what your work is. If you are a pastor, or something like that, then absolutely something like infidelity impacts work or your focus on your work.

Focusing on work would be the last thing on my mind, even from a working relationship standpoint with the people I come into contact with 5 days out of the week. The first thing on my mind would be addressing the relationship with my wife and family first and only. That's where I am saying that the two reasons are relative opposites, when you really break it down.

 

[KG]

what is this guy even talking about, RT?

 

[RemoAZ]

Move along. No conspiracy to be found here.

 

[BUX7PHX]

No biggie - people depart jobs for different reasons. Just saying that something doesn't quite add up on this front when you take what has been said by Daccord and the "surprise factor" that seemed to be taken by individuals on this action.

 

[rt]

No biggie - people depart jobs for different reasons. Just saying that something doesn't quite add up on this front when you take what has been said by Daccord and the "surprise factor" that seemed to be taken by individuals on this action.

You’re talking only about Craig Morgan’s tweet. That’s it.

Craig was surprised that the only person in the entire organization akin to an assistant manager to the brand-new, first time general manager has left. It’s shocking to be completely wi the out any other executive leadership in the hockey operations side. His statement had NOTHING AT ALL to do with shock at the reasons for Daccord leaving. That was your own imagination.

 

[BUX7PHX]

You’re talking only about Craig Morgan’s tweet. That’s it.

Craig was surprised that the only person in the entire organization akin to an assistant manager to the brand-new, first time general manager has left. It’s shocking to be completely wi the out any other executive leadership in the hockey operations side. His statement had NOTHING AT ALL to do with shock at the reasons for Daccord leaving. That was your own imagination.

Okay, I see how this has taken shape now, and why we are in disagreement, and how this devolved.

Your logic is that the "stunning development" is simply that we no longer have an AGM. That is what you are taking from Craig's tweet.

My view is that the stunning development is that someone left the organization after 8 months. It is possible that Craig was referring to both of these things as stunning. Maybe one has a higher weight (like 60% stunning that we don't have an AGM, 40% that it happened in a time period of 8 months for Daccord to no longer work with us).

I can only speak for myself and my life/work history. I have been with 3 different companies and 6 different positions within. It is ultra rare for me to see someone leave prior to a year, in any capacity. The companies that I have worked for have all had clauses to where lateral moves can't even occur until after 12 months in the current role. That is part of my reasoning for why this is considered a stunning development on the timeline of work done with Arizona.

However, it is not just a Craig tweet. Look at the articles on Daccord's departure and even his arrival:

Brian Daccord, special assistant to Coyotes GM Bill Armstrong, resigns

In departing, this was an interesting tidbit:

Perhaps even more important, though, is that Morgan notes that Daccord was also heavily involved in recommending front office hires to Armstrong. Not only must the GM replace his two departed assistants, but he now must replace the man who was supposed to help him with the selection process. Entering his first full off-season, this could already be a do-or-die summer for Armstrong with so many major decisions on his plate and not much support.

So, not only was he considered the right-hand man to Armstrong, he was heavily involved in building the organization for Armstrong and finding the people to work here. In my eyes, this is why the departure is considered "stunning." Not that the AGM position isn't filled, but by all accounts, this was someone very actively involved in a ton of organizational aspects, and not just working with the goalies.

Now, contrast this with 8 months ago, and Daccord's hire:

Arizona Coyotes add Brian Daccord to hockey operations staff

This quote is incredibly telling:

"This is exactly what I've been doing for 25 years," Daccord said. "Building the experience and the knowhow to get to this point. When Bill went over the job description and I looked at it on a piece of paper, I couldn't believe what I was looking at. I said 'This is exactly what I do. This is who I am and what I do.'"

Not my words. Not even the author of the story's words. This is Daccord talking about himself. Literally, the perfect person fell into our laps for what Armstrong was asking. Armstrong even made it clear enough with this quote later on in the story:

“Brian will be a tremendous asset for us. He is an extremely knowledgeable hockey person and a goaltending expert,” Armstrong said in a statement from the Coyotes, adding that Daccord made a big impact with the Maple Leafs. “Brian has a great work ethic and is a man of integrity. Adding him to our club was a top priority and he will be instrumental in helping us change our culture here.”

So, somehow in a span of 8 months, we went from having someone who was an excellent fit and was here to help change the culture to someone who is gone. Culture doesn't change in 8 months. It can take a few years, especially in sports. This is someone who, by all accounts, has been described multiple times as the right hand man to Armstrong. They have had a 25 year working relationship, per these articles. And in 8 months, that disappears.

The stunning development isn't the lack of an AGM. It is that his resigning is completely out of the blue. Not one person could have anticipated that the perfect person for the role would stop before a year is up. I do hope that it is not a true family-related emergency and it would be Coyote luck if it just so happens that in the past 8 months, or something to that effect came up. If there was some sort of family issue going back 8 months or longer, then with a 25 year working relationship, I would hope that Armstrong would ask Daccord to work on fixing that, and this position would be available to him, because of their history.

A true family or business issue also seems like the least likely issue, so again, I am asking how we go from the self-described (by Daccord) perfect candidate to not even being able to fulfill a year of service?

I totally see where we were having our different viewpoints, but I think that when you look at 8 months ago to now, something does not add up in the departure, and by all appearances, it does not seem like a family or family business emergency that must be attended to is the main cause. Therefore, the root cause is something within the FO that caused him to leave, and the generic answer of spending time elsewhere was given. Not having an AGM, while stunning, does not appear to be sole reason for calling the development stunning. I think it has to do with the unexpectedness of it, given that Daccord was the ideal person for BA and the organization.

 

[cobra427]

We don't know exactly what happened and I am not sure why we even care. AGM's are a dime a dozen, easy to replace. His departure just doesn't matter, life happens, you guys try to read to much into this stuff.

 

[BUX7PHX]

We don't know exactly what happened and I am not sure why we even care. AGM's are a dime a dozen, easy to replace. His departure just doesn't matter, life happens, you guys try to read to much into this stuff.

LOL. From the person who harps on the lack of talent on the team - wouldn't we want to ensure that talent in the front office also stays? Or is the only thing that matters on the ice, and anyone can make decisions for the team?

 

[rt]

Okay, I see how this has taken shape now, and why we are in disagreement, and how this devolved.

Your logic is that the "stunning development" is simply that we no longer have an AGM. That is what you are taking from Craig's tweet.

My view is that the stunning development is that someone left the organization after 8 months. It is possible that Craig was referring to both of these things as stunning. Maybe one has a higher weight (like 60% stunning that we don't have an AGM, 40% that it happened in a time period of 8 months for Daccord to no longer work with us).

I can only speak for myself and my life/work history. I have been with 3 different companies and 6 different positions within. It is ultra rare for me to see someone leave prior to a year, in any capacity. The companies that I have worked for have all had clauses to where lateral moves can't even occur until after 12 months in the current role. That is part of my reasoning for why this is considered a stunning development on the timeline of work done with Arizona.

However, it is not just a Craig tweet. Look at the articles on Daccord's departure and even his arrival:

Brian Daccord, special assistant to Coyotes GM Bill Armstrong, resigns

In departing, this was an interesting tidbit:

Perhaps even more important, though, is that Morgan notes that Daccord was also heavily involved in recommending front office hires to Armstrong. Not only must the GM replace his two departed assistants, but he now must replace the man who was supposed to help him with the selection process. Entering his first full off-season, this could already be a do-or-die summer for Armstrong with so many major decisions on his plate and not much support.

So, not only was he considered the right-hand man to Armstrong, he was heavily involved in building the organization for Armstrong and finding the people to work here. In my eyes, this is why the departure is considered "stunning." Not that the AGM position isn't filled, but by all accounts, this was someone very actively involved in a ton of organizational aspects, and not just working with the goalies.

Now, contrast this with 8 months ago, and Daccord's hire:

Arizona Coyotes add Brian Daccord to hockey operations staff

This quote is incredibly telling:

"This is exactly what I've been doing for 25 years," Daccord said. "Building the experience and the knowhow to get to this point. When Bill went over the job description and I looked at it on a piece of paper, I couldn't believe what I was looking at. I said 'This is exactly what I do. This is who I am and what I do.'"

Not my words. Not even the author of the story's words. This is Daccord talking about himself. Literally, the perfect person fell into our laps for what Armstrong was asking. Armstrong even made it clear enough with this quote later on in the story:

“Brian will be a tremendous asset for us. He is an extremely knowledgeable hockey person and a goaltending expert,” Armstrong said in a statement from the Coyotes, adding that Daccord made a big impact with the Maple Leafs. “Brian has a great work ethic and is a man of integrity. Adding him to our club was a top priority and he will be instrumental in helping us change our culture here.”

So, somehow in a span of 8 months, we went from having someone who was an excellent fit and was here to help change the culture to someone who is gone. Culture doesn't change in 8 months. It can take a few years, especially in sports. This is someone who, by all accounts, has been described multiple times as the right hand man to Armstrong. They have had a 25 year working relationship, per these articles. And in 8 months, that disappears.

The stunning development isn't the lack of an AGM. It is that his resigning is completely out of the blue. Not one person could have anticipated that the perfect person for the role would stop before a year is up. I do hope that it is not a true family-related emergency and it would be Coyote luck if it just so happens that in the past 8 months, or something to that effect came up. If there was some sort of family issue going back 8 months or longer, then with a 25 year working relationship, I would hope that Armstrong would ask Daccord to work on fixing that, and this position would be available to him, because of their history.

A true family or business issue also seems like the least likely issue, so again, I am asking how we go from the self-described (by Daccord) perfect candidate to not even being able to fulfill a year of service?

I totally see where we were having our different viewpoints, but I think that when you look at 8 months ago to now, something does not add up in the departure, and by all appearances, it does not seem like a family or family business emergency that must be attended to is the main cause. Therefore, the root cause is something within the FO that caused him to leave, and the generic answer of spending time elsewhere was given. Not having an AGM, while stunning, does not appear to be sole reason for calling the development stunning. I think it has to do with the unexpectedness of it, given that Daccord was the ideal person for BA and the organization.

Craig Morgan has no idea why Daccord left. That completely nullifies your hypothesis, here. It doesn’t matter what word Craig used.

Also, Daccord’s prior words don’t matter. Not if he’s telling the truth about a personal matter. Perhaps he’s making the toughest choice of his life and leaving a dream job. Perhaps the personal matter at home still trumps that. As family does. You’re presenting these things as mutually exclusive. And they’re not. Honestly, you’re whole line of thinking on this strikes me as a false dichotomy.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

An African, or European swallow?

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I’m going with him

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Let’s not argue and bicker over oooh killed oooh

 

[cobra427]

LOL. From the person who harps on the lack of talent on the team - wouldn't we want to ensure that talent in the front office also stays? Or is the only thing that matters on the ice, and anyone can make decisions for the team?

Yes we want people to stay but an AGM isn't a control position. The head coach, GM and owner are the important positions. We can easily find another AGM, this isn't a big deal.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Four pages because Craig Morgan needed a phrase to hype one of the few scoops that he breaks before Friedge and the rest of the hockey media.

In the vast pantheon of things that I would call a "stunning development" for this franchise, this one ranks at or near the bottom. The guy took a gig that was pretty clearly a transitional job to help his buddy Bill Armstrong out, and once the season ended he decided to go back to his already-successful business so he could be closer to his kids, in whom he obviously invests a lot of time and energy. Armstrong is already basically remaking the front office and team leadership from the ground up after taking a season to assess things.

Making it out to be anything more than that is pretty damn Strangnificent.

 

[BUX7PHX]

Four pages because Craig Morgan needed a phrase to hype one of the few scoops that he breaks before Friedge and the rest of the hockey media.

In the vast pantheon of things that I would call a "stunning development" for this franchise, this one ranks at or near the bottom. The guy took a gig that was pretty clearly a transitional job to help his buddy Bill Armstrong out, and once the season ended he decided to go back to his already-successful business so he could be closer to his kids, in whom he obviously invests a lot of time and energy. Armstrong is already basically remaking the front office and team leadership from the ground up after taking a season to assess things.

Making it out to be anything more than that is pretty damn Strangnificent.

So, you have inside knowledge that this was only a transitional job, and Daccord would only be needed for a season?

Last I checked, you don't hire a culture changer for 8 months.

 

[rt]

So, you have inside knowledge that this was only a transitional job, and Daccord would only be needed for a season?

Last I checked, you don't hire a culture changer for 8 months.

He said he left for personal reasons. There’s at least half a chance that’s true.

When people leave for other reasons, it’s usually a big, loud mess around here. Press-releases, league suspensions, and lawsuits.

Phoenix is a long way from home. That’s not a fit for every family. Sometimes you learn that the hard way.

We have the word straight from the horses mouth that it’s strictly personal reasons. That could be a lie. But you don’t have a single shred of evidence that it is. You’re supposing a ton of stuff based on absolutely nothing.

 

[BUX7PHX]

He said he left for personal reasons. There’s at least half a chance that’s true.

When people leave for other reasons, it’s usually a big, loud mess around here. Press-releases, league suspensions, and lawsuits.

Phoenix is a long way from home. That’s not a fit for every family. Sometimes you learn that the hard way.

We have the word straight from the horses mouth that it’s strictly personal reasons. That could be a lie. But you don’t have a single shred of evidence that it is. You’re supposing a ton of stuff based on absolutely nothing.

I have left a job before. Very weird work group that did not work out. I used the same logic in my 2 week notice. It's not you, it's me.

I have also seen people move on to other jobs where they got paid more, more vacation, better benefits, whatever. They said that they found a better opportunity. I have also done the same thing and stated as such - I found a better opportunity.

Does my past reflect the same thoughts as Daccord? No. Have I seen the two lines of thinking used often enough to know that when someone uses the more generic line of "personal reasons," it is more often than not that they are not enjoying their time with that company. Is it a 1.00% batting average for that? No. But usually pretty close.

Tell you what. You work in an office setting, I work in an office setting. Ask people about a job they left that they were not enjoying. Ask what did they tell their employer when they were leaving. Because people do find better paying jobs, they can use the generic "better opportunity found." More often than not, the individual will want to point that out because the current company helped them prepare and get to that better role if they are being truthful. When someone uses "personal reasons," ask them to elaborate. I guarantee that an overwhelming majority will really be saying, "I needed to get the eff out of there."

Edit: you do know where his son played hockey in college, right? Joey Daccord. Look him up

 

[Jakey53]

So, you have inside knowledge that this was only a transitional job, and Daccord would only be needed for a season?

Last I checked, you don't hire a culture changer for 8 months.

BUX, give it a rest. Daccord told us his reason for leaving. If he lied, so what. If it was the truth, so what. AGM are not hard to find, and we already have someone in the organization to take his spot. In business you want employees who want to be there, not someone who's mind is 2000 miles away.