Proposal: Penguins sell-off trades (Canucks, Avalanche, Kings and Predators)

[DingDongCharlie]

Absolutely zero interest in the Colorado one... How is Nedjelkovic even remotely an upgrade on our current goaltending, ditto O'Connor quite frankly.


And you want a 2nd for that?

I thought I was crazy thinking O'Connor does basically nothing for Colorado but add a warm body for a 2nd? That's pretty bad for the Avs. Remove Ned and maybe a 3rd rounder for DOC as depth insurance and a change of scenery to see if he can even repeat last seasons production with a new opportunity.

And I see Nuke, Drouin and Wood are expected back vs Washington now which massively lessened the need to add depth.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I thought I was crazy thinking O'Connor does basically nothing for Colorado but add a warm body for a 2nd? That's pretty bad for the Avs. Remove Ned and maybe a 3rd rounder for DOC as depth insurance and a change of scenery to see if he can even repeat last seasons production with a new opportunity.

And I see Nuke, Drouin and Wood are expected back vs Washington now which massively lessened the need to add depth.

Fretting over the difference between a 2027 2nd and a 2025 3rd seems bizarre.

The point of that deal was that Nedjelkovic had the value of a 3rd and O'Connor had the value of a 3rd, but since Colorado didn't have any 3rds in their next 2 years, it was instead a 2027 2nd (which is much less valuable than a 2025 2nd) and a 2025 4th. And for proof future 2nds are worth less than current year 2nds:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1823351551273967991

 

[benfranklin]

Value wise, sure from the Avs, but neither are really players they need nor an upgrade to anything they have.

 

[dbaz]

Fretting over the difference between a 2027 2nd and a 2025 3rd seems bizarre.

The point of that deal was that Nedjelkovic had the value of a 3rd and O'Connor had the value of a 3rd, but since Colorado didn't have any 3rds in their next 2 years, it was instead a 2027 2nd (which is much less valuable than a 2025 2nd) and a 2025 4th. And for proof future 2nds are worth less than current year 2nds:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1823351551273967991

umm this doesnt prove your point at all. you do realize stl overpaid for the pick so they could get their own pick back to offersheet broberg and hollaway, right?

 

[Empoleon8771]

umm this doesnt prove your point at all. you do realize stl overpaid for the pick so they could get their own pick back to offersheet broberg and hollaway, right?

Or maybe that's kind of trade actually shows the future value of picks?

Debating that a future 2nd isn't worth less than a current year 2nd is bizarre.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I could see Ottawa having interest in OConnor. Possibly involving Boucher?

 

[miscs75]

Beauvillier for Wahlstrom, thanks

 

[Bishop7979]

Honestly not all that impressed by what L.A can offer back for rackell and there are other teams that would probably offer more. I could see the ducks taking him back or even buffalo being a better fit, both teams have better assets to offer if you are looking to have a young player or prospect coming back in the deal.

Kailyev is almost in waiver wire territory, doesn't have the speed to be a top six winger, and I thought was potentially out for months with an injury that could require surgery. so if you wanna take a chance on him you trade rackell somewhere else and try to pick up Kailyev for one of the extra mid rounders that have been banked recently.

I know turcott was mentioned, and I actually like the kid, he has real skill, but he has about the same awareness on the ice that lindros did, and is injured just as much.

The thing with O'Connor is, he's a guy if want to keep around, especially if he gets a real opportunity at center and especially if Sullivan finally gets sh!t canned.

You need players to fill out a roster and what o'conner would get back right now is less than I feel he's actually worth.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Beauvillier for Wahlstrom, thanks

I don't like Beauvillier but you found someone I'd like even less :laugh;

Beauvillier this year alone has more goals than Wahlstrom has in the last 2 years, and he only has 5 goals this year.

If you want Beauvillier back, just throw us like a 4th and I figure he'd be yours.

 

[miscs75]

I don't like Beauvillier but you found someone I'd like even less :laugh;

Beauvillier this year alone has more goals than Wahlstrom has in the last 2 years, and he only has 5 goals this year.

If you want Beauvillier back, just throw us like a 4th and I figure he'd be yours.

Moving Wally to move out the roster spot. If not him, Fasching works too.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I disagree as they have a top tier team now. You never know what can happen between now and when/if Nabokov is ready.

If you told me that after the cup win they’d lose immediately 2 key players (Kadri and Landy) from their top 6 and sporadically a 3rd in Nuke? I’d get worried their goalie situation. Compact that with the downgrade of the d-core from things such as moving Byram and Toews’ (possibly injury related) regression? I’d have said they should have swung for the fences on a goalie.

Even with all the lineup changes since the Cup win, and key guys being out due to injury, the Avs are currently allowing the 2nd fewest shots per game in the NHL, so I'm struggling to figure out why they need to swing for the fences on a goalie. For that matter, who has been remotely available that would even be considered swinging for the fences? And how much would they cost in trade assets and cap space, both of which are in short supply?

 

[JoeSakic13]

Even with all the lineup changes since the Cup win, and key guys being out due to injury, the Avs are currently allowing the 2nd fewest shots per game in the NHL, so I'm struggling to figure out why they need to swing for the fences on a goalie. For that matter, who has been remotely available that would even be considered swinging for the fences? And how much would they cost in trade assets and cap space, both of which are in short supply?

Yet they are tied with San Jose for 2nd most GA and have a record just above .500.

Not to say it’s all on the goalie as the shots being allowed in some cases are unstoppable by any goalie, but an upgrade in net has been apparent for a while now.

 

[Armourboy]

If Nashville wasn't in essentially the same shape team wise and Letang's deal was shorter then maybe. I have no issue trading Carrier to someone, frankly I'll trade anyone on our roster defensively for the right price right now.

 

[Reaper45]

I’d trade Kaliyev easily, but no interest in Rakell. Turcotte isn’t getting traded. I don’t see the Kings and Pens as good trading partners.

 

[carjackmalone]

Hronek and Hoglander for Malkin

 

[kanucks25]

Hronek and Hoglander for Malkin

Canucks need help on D as it is and Hronek is one of their only 2 legit top 4 guys lol

 

[Hobnobs]

These proposals also have the Kyle Dubas tax included on them, so they may seem odd targeting future picks and mediocre returns but that seems to be Dubas' strategy.

Trade 1:

Penguins trade Marcus Pettersson at 50%
Canucks trade Desharnais, Elias Pettersson (D-man) and a 2025 2nd

Pettersson immediately slides onto the 2nd pair to play with Myers, which makes the Canucks 3rd pair Soucy-Brannstrom. Elias is a good stylistic replacement for Marcus as a prospect and the 2025 2nd replaces the one they don't have. Desharnais is mostly included for cap, but he's a guy who can play regular minutes now and likely can bring back another mid round pick next year.

Trade 2:

Penguins trade O'Connor and Nedjelkovic
Avs trade a 2027 2nd and 2025 4th

Pretty simple one, Avs get some goaltending help and cheap forward depth and the Penguins get more futures. I think a 3rd for each of O'Connor and Nedjelkovic is fair, but since the Avs don't have any 3rds in the next 2 years, I made it a 2nd in 2 years the line and a 4th this year.

Note I'm not sure of the cap implications of this with Colorado, it's only them adding about $3 million but I don't know if they have the cap space to add $3 million right now. Since it seems like Landeskog is done, I think they may have the LTIR space for it though.

Trade 3:

Penguins trade Rakell
Kings trade Kaliyev and a 2026 2nd

Kings get a righty scoring winger that should be able to help out with their mediocre total scoring (15th) and PP% (24th). The Kings also have very few righty shots in their forward group, so I think adding Rakell gives them a bit more balance with that. Penguins get an interesting reclamation project in Kaliyev and another 2nd in 2026. I'd also be interested in Turcotte as that "interesting reclamation project" but I think there's no chance the Kings would go for that.

I think the cap could be complicated for the Kings trade as well, it largely depends on when Doughty is projected to be healthy.

Trade 4:

Penguins trade Letang
Predators trade Carrier and a 2025 3rd

Think this one may be too aggressive of an ask from the Predators, but Letang adds another legitimate OFD thread from their blueline behind Josi. Penguins get a worse but younger RD to replace Letang and more futures.

I think this one is a long-shot due to Nashville's struggles to start this year, but I doubt they'd just throw in the towel after signing Stamkos and Marchessault last year. They also have 3 1sts this year, so I could see them being willing to sacrifice some futures to get better now.

I don't hate any of these trades. Not a fan of any of teams involved in them but looks good to me.

I'm not sure what Yzermans plan is but I have a feeling DRW can offer a tad more of Pens are willing to take contract back for Pettersson.

 

[wej20]

I could see Ottawa having interest in OConnor. Possibly involving Boucher?

Tyler Boucher?

 

[Coffee]

I don't like Beauvillier but you found someone I'd like even less :laugh;

Beauvillier this year alone has more goals than Wahlstrom has in the last 2 years, and he only has 5 goals this year.

If you want Beauvillier back, just throw us like a 4th and I figure he'd be yours.

The whole reason to trade wals is to free up space

Take Wally and a Pick back

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Tyler Boucher?

That was my thought, or a pick. I think it's clear that Boucher is a project with 4th-ish line upside... there is probably some value there, but not sure if Ottawa/Belleville will be the ones to get it out of him.

I would also sub him out for a pick, but I thought he might hold more appeal to some teams than a mid 3rd.

 

[wej20]

That was my thought, or a pick. I think it's clear that Boucher is a project with 4th-ish line upside... there is probably some value there, but not sure if Ottawa/Belleville will be the ones to get it out of him.

I would also sub him out for a pick, but I thought he might hold more appeal to some teams than a mid 3rd.

I'd probably take the 3rd. What has happend to Boucher? Seems like a real tough development for a top 15 pick.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Yet they are tied with San Jose for 2nd most GA and have a record just above .500.

Not to say it’s all on the goalie as the shots being allowed in some cases are unstoppable by any goalie, but an upgrade in net has been apparent for a while now.

I don't disagree that they need an upgrade in net. I only disagree about how they should try to find that upgrade, because I think the guys who are likely upgrades and even remotely available aren't great options for various reasons. They are either too expensive to acquire or too expensive to fit under the cap going forward, or both. Plus, most of them are already in their late 20s or early 30s, so the likelihood of them being long term solutions is very low, given that goalies tend to fall off in their early 30s.

Nabokov, on the other hand, is already in the Avs system, will be on his ELC when he comes over, and is only 21. I'd much rather roll the dice on a kid who could be the next Vasi/Shesterkin/Sorokin level of guy that could be the starter for a decade . than overpay for a guy who might give us 2 or 3 good years.

 

[chethejet]

I do think the Canucks will add Petts for a pick and prospect. Pens will make the major moves after the season. Teams still value what a Rust or Karlsson can bring. Pens go full rebuild after next season as they move off from the old guys. I keep Rakell, Sid, DOC then play the young guys in Rutgers M, Brunicke, Pickering, Ponomarev, St Ivany, Broz, the goalies after moving Jarry. Rust Karlsson moved as well. Pens can get into top 10 and hopefully with lottery luck get into the top 5.

DOC Sid Rakell
Benning Geno? ?
Rutgers M Broz Glass
Ponomarev Poulin Acciari
Hayes
Graves Letang
Pickering St Ivany
Shea Brunicke

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Also, why are you acting like a 2nd in 2 years is some insane value either? The Avs traded basically the same thing for a rental Lars Eller with 16 points in 60 games like a year and a half ago. The value they're trading is basically 2 3rds this year, which is hardly unreasonable for Nedjelkovic and O'Connor

That was out of desperation, with extra for the retention. Fans aren't going to be desperate not being held accountable for a failed playoff push like the GM will. And objectively, a 2nd for Eller was terrible at the time too.

Wouldn't touch this. If we're shopping a 2nd and 4th I'd expect we could do better. Wouldn't be shocked if we could get Gibson or close to, whom I'd prefer over Ned. Ned isn't enough of an upgrade to spend assets on him. If Pens want Georgie and a 5th maybe. But why bother?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I'd probably take the 3rd. What has happend to Boucher? Seems like a real tough development for a top 15 pick.

Near-constant injuries + limited upside to begin with.

I still see a path to the NHL for him but it is becoming narrower and narrower. A change of scenery might be good for him in and of itself.