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Why would we want to do that when there are so many negatives we can harp on, and conclusions we can draw on no evidence?
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I'm indifferent on that. I recall our PP scoring in 5 or 6 straight games and looking competent at one point in the season before it reverted back to its useless self. I'll reserve judgement for Boyle's presence on the PP for both sides.
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Brian Boyle has seen a total of 17 minutes and 40 seconds of power play time this season. This is, admittedly, much less than I have thought Boyle has been on the ice for the power play this season. (11 of those minutes have come in the month of April, already).
In those near 18 minutes of TOTAL power play time, Brian Boyle has been on the ice for 2, count them, 2 New York Rangers power play goals this season. They both came in the game against Pittsburgh the day of the deadline. So that's 1 RANGERS goal, not just goals Boyle had a point on, I'm talking about NEW YORK RANGERS goals, per 530 seconds of power play time for Brian Boyle.
I conclude the resurgent look of the Rangers power play has more to do with the additions at the deadline rather than Boyle's time on ice during the power play.
I just dont get the fascination on this board with 3rd line players. Its been going on for years - usually revolving around how they dont provide enough offense. It just shows a total lack of awareness of this coach's expectations, and how flexible a 3rd line at this level can be in general.
There was a time last night where I legitimately thought Brad Richards was drunk out on the ice. But yea, lets keep talking about Boyle
There was a time last night where I legitimately thought Brad Richards was drunk out on the ice. But yea, lets keep talking about Boyle
I was in town last summer and had the chance to meet Boyle briefly. Just a quick shake of the hands. Thanked him for how hard he works out there. Seemed like a genuinely nice guy. In terms of pure size the man is huge. I almost asked him if he's ever been confronted by the wacky critics from the chat boards, but thought better of it.
He probably has not. The size would silence the critics.
He probably has not. The size would silence the critics.
I conclude 2 things. The Rangers PP was horrendous before the trade, and you just dont like Brian Boyle.
You can cherrypick similar stats to every Rangers players regarding the PP - ya know why? Because it stunk.
Its looked better lately with Boyle on it, so Im not ready to mess with it yet. Maybe thats because the mere mention of Boyle's name doesnt make me go crazy.
Please correct me if my math is wonky (still early here), but that's 2 goals per 9 power play opportunities, or a 22.2% power play conversion rate. If that was our PP%, it'd be 5th in the NHL at this moment, tied with Edmonton.
Was the point you were trying to make that we should play Boyle on the power play more? Because it sure didn't sound like it.
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So that's a goal every 8:50 that he's been on the ice. Doesn't sound great, but 24 games into the season I calculated the Rangers 5 on 4 scoring pace to be a goal every 13:01. I'm sure it's increased since then, but I'd guess Boyle is still above the team average, as he hasn't had a lick of 5 on 3 PP time.
No one is saying Boyle is the reason for the powerplay's increased success. There are many possible reasons (small sample size, IMO, is the leader). But who would you rather have out there?
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The reason it has improved has significantly more to do with Stepan playing amazing the past month+, Richards being non-useless, and the addition of Zuccarello than it does with Brian Boyle
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Ok, I'm cherrypicking stats. How about the stat the Brian Boyle has been on the ice for less than 10 New York Rangers goals this entire season? That's not enough from a third line player.
I don't like Brian Boyle - third liner, and every situation man. I do like Brian Boyle - fourth liner and PK specialist. It's not Boyle's fault that Torts overuses him, I also dislike Torts. I feel the evidence is there though to conclude that Brian Boyle does not help this team night in and night out as a third liner. I know we all have a problem with the +/- statistic, but Boyle is a team worst -13.
No, that math is correct, but I think it's counter-intuitive to view it in that light. The anamoly of Brian Boyle's power play experience is the Pittsburgh game which has contributed to the two power play goals Boyle has been on the ice for this season.
I don't suspect anyone believes that if Boyle was on the ice for 18 straight (rounding) power play minutes, the Rangers would walk away with 2 goals. As I said, I thought the number of total power play time for Boyle would be way higher, and was surprised it was as low as it is.
With that though, comes the view that Brian Boyle has logged 11 power play minutes in April, and his stock is on the rise with the coaching staff when he is ALREADY playing above his level on the third line. The only movement on the depth chart Boyle should see is down, and for some reason, he's trending up.
To the person who brought up Richards, this is the Boyle thread. Richards takes a ton of flak from the fan base here on HF, but you're seeing a lot of Boyle discussion, because this is the Boyle thread
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I swear, this fanbase blows my mind sometimes. I kid you not, I was at a game a few years ago, and some guy behind started yelling "you're going the wrong way!" while one of our forwards, while KILLING A PENALTY, took the puck, circled back, passed the puck back into our own zone to a defenseman, to kill time off the PP. i turned around, thinking the guy was joking, but he was dead serious. my mind was blown. i swear, i've witnessed some of the dumbest hockey things come out of the mouths of our fanbase
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I swear to God, your posts literally have me laughing at my desk at work almost consistently.
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Wait a minute, you're telling me that the casual fan doesn't know hockey!?!
Yes, folks, let's judge the entire fanbase from guys who yell from the blue seats at the Garden. Genius! You'll never hear that kind of thing from other team's fans. They're all so intelligent.
The other day I heard a Flyers fan say that the Islanders have the worst fans in the world because they were mean to him in the Coliseum. Must be true.
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And for some reason the Richards thread is getting a lot less action....To the person who brought up Richards, this is the Boyle thread. Richards takes a ton of flak from the fan base here on HF, but you're seeing a lot of Boyle discussion, because this is the Boyle thread
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Being honest, I don't venture often into the player discussion threads. I think having a thread on every player signed to an SPC is ridiculous. I saw the Boyle one open today and just had to give my $0.02 though.
I swear, when I saw the player discussion thread on Micheal Haley open up I
in real life.Fact is, there are more than a few underachievers on this Rangers team this year. This was a team that was supposed to challenge for tops in the east, fighting for a playoff spot.
Brian Boyle IS one of those players. Not because his stat line doesn't appropriately display what kind of player he is (because it does), but because of the ROLE Torts has him playing. He's not living up to that ROLE.
I think my posts accurately show that I have more of a problem with the way Tortorella uses Boyle, than I do with Boyle himself.
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Ok, I'm cherrypicking stats. How about the stat the Brian Boyle has been on the ice for less than 10 New York Rangers goals this entire season? That's not enough from a third line player.
I don't like Brian Boyle - third liner, and every situation man. I do like Brian Boyle - fourth liner and PK specialist. It's not Boyle's fault that Torts overuses him, I also dislike Torts. I feel the evidence is there though to conclude that Brian Boyle does not help this team night in and night out as a third liner. I know we all have a problem with the +/- statistic, but Boyle is a team worst -13.
No, that math is correct, but I think it's counter-intuitive to view it in that light. The anamoly of Brian Boyle's power play experience is the Pittsburgh game which has contributed to the two power play goals Boyle has been on the ice for this season.
I don't suspect anyone believes that if Boyle was on the ice for 18 straight (rounding) power play minutes, the Rangers would walk away with 2 goals. As I said, I thought the number of total power play time for Boyle would be way higher, and was surprised it was as low as it is.
With that though, comes the view that Brian Boyle has logged 11 power play minutes in April, and his stock is on the rise with the coaching staff when he is ALREADY playing above his level on the third line. The only movement on the depth chart Boyle should see is down, and for some reason, he's trending up.
To the person who brought up Richards, this is the Boyle thread. Richards takes a ton of flak from the fan base here on HF, but you're seeing a lot of Boyle discussion, because this is the Boyle thread
Boyle is the type of "glue" player coaches and teams love. He can slot in most places on a line-up for a short amount of time. PP? He can do that. PK? Absolutely. Wing? Sure, he looks good along the boards. Center? He is great at face-offs and a pain in the ass to play against for top centers. Plus he has the size to actually match up against the big centers in the league.
His good at most things, great at none, is valuable unto itself. When Dorsett comes back, that 3rd line RW spot should, and IMO will be his. However let's not all act that Boyle adds nothing to this team when he is out there. He drives to the net. Blocks shots. Wins face-offs (when given that responsibility), is a great PKer, hits, stands in front of the net on the PP and also is good at retrieving pucks.
The funny thing I find, is that if Boyle were to leave, this team and many fans clamoring for him to be demoted or benched or shipped off for nothing would realize his value because of the amount of holes it would create. Boyle does a lot for this team. And I am only considering what he does on the ice, not behind closed doors in The Room.
I will re-emphasize what I have said for a long time. If you are expecting consistent offense from Boyle, then your other forwards are not getting the job done. It's that simple.
Wait a minute, you're telling me that the casual fan doesn't know hockey!?!
Yes, folks, let's judge the entire fanbase from guys who yell from the blue seats at the Garden. Genius! You'll never hear that kind of thing from other team's fans. They're all so intelligent.
The other day I heard a Flyers fan say that the Islanders have the worst fans in the world because they were mean to him in the Coliseum. Must be true.
sweet assumption, but this guy wasn't a casual fan. he was just clueless
You can't have it both ways. If the addition of Boyle to the powerplay earlier in the year didn't make much of a difference, why would it make a difference now? It's not like he's personally doing anything different, his role earlier in the year was to stand in front of the goalie too. So if the Rangers PP stunk before the trade, now is better after the trade, isn't it easier to make the case that the addition of Brassard and Clowe has been more important?
Now I don't mind that much that Boyle is on the powerplay. If his role is to dig the puck out of the corners, get it the point, then park himself in front of the goalie, that's perfectly fine, especially for the second PP unit. It's all a moot point though if they keep struggling to maintain puck possession and get shots through traffic.
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You asked someone to address the PP looking better since Boyle was added, he did, and back it up with statistical information. Your response is he doesn't like Boyle?
What about the other two additions to the PP? Where do Clowe and Brassard factor in? Why is the success tethered directly to Boyle? The reality is those other two factor in much more than Boyle has or will. Also the powerplay has looked like mediocre again recently. Is that Boyle's fault too, or is he only credited when he is on it and they look good?
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