Value of: Brent Burns and Vlasic at the draft

[Gecklund]

Depending on how our other LD guys look, I might keep Vlasic next season. He’s looked better the past few games and has looked like a good match with Merkley. Burns on the other hand I’d move this season. Roll with:

Ferraro-EK
Vlasic-Merkley
Kniazev-Meloche/Hatakka

Not good in the slightest but 4 guys who could improve and are young. I don’t expect to be competitive next season and honestly I hope we aren’t so we get a shot at the top end of this next draft.

 

[Mattb124]

Burns can probably be traded, but would require retention, like OEL. Unlike OEL, he's still productive offensively. He'd probably be better with a quality defensive D-man to back him up. He only has 3 years left on his contract, so that also has value.

Carolina was interested in Klingberg, so they could be one team interested in Burns with some retention, and they have a good stable of prospects too.

I do think Burns has value, but would require $1m-$1,25m of retention, which also isn't horrible considering the cap savings SJ would receive.

I think you are spot on with Burns. People (mostly who don't actually watch him play or look at his stats) will talk about his age, but he is still playing huge minutes (3rd in NHL for D) and could be a very useful player if he had a complimentary partner.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I think you are spot on with Burns. People (mostly who don't actually watch him play or look at his stats) will talk about his age, but he is still playing huge minutes (3rd in NHL for D) and could be a very useful player if he had a complimentary partner.

Yes, he is. He's still playing big minutes, can still skate, still has his big shot & is still offensively productive. He also has only 3 years left, which is really valuable. A lot of teams are no longer interested in long term contracts to 30+ players.

Dallas's issues with Klingberg rest on term not dollars. They don't want to give him 7-8 years.

Burns fits into that player with term, but not long term that teams like. If Klingberg walks, Dallas could have interest. He definitely has value.

Vlasic is a buy-out.

 

[me2]

The sharks don't seem that good. What's the point of a buyout if you are going to miss the playoffs anyway, you are just doubling the number of years the contract hurts the team.

 

[Cas]

The sharks don't seem that good. What's the point of a buyout if you are going to miss the playoffs anyway, you are just doubling the number of years the contract hurts the team.

1. They're convinced they're going to make the playoffs.
2. They need the roster spot for prospects that are honestly probably about as good as Vlasic is now.
3. The cap penalty for years 5-8 is small and not worth worrying about.
4. They're going to need that cap space for Meier and their depth players (Ferraro, Barabanov, Dahlen, Kahkonen - or their potential external replacements - this offseason).

 

[mouser]

I may not know much about the Yotes cap situation but they could probably handle Vlasic in return for some picks.

Absolutely AZ would be interested. Looking at Vlasic's contract, let's say SJ trades him to AZ after the 2022-23 signing bonus of $2.25m is paid. That would leave Vlasic at $20.25m in total salary remaining for the final four season at a $7m AAV.

Vlassic is averaging 15 minutes TOI/G in 2021-22, down from 17 minutes in 2020-21. So basically playing 3rd line minutes now. Let's say AZ being towards the bottom of the league values a vet 3rd line Dman at about $1.5m per season. That would be $6m in value for Vlassic over four seasons against $20.25m owed in real dollars, a real dollar gap of $14.25m.

I could see AZ taking Vlassic for SJ's 2023 1st, 2024 1st and some other smaller sweetener for that $14.25m in salary difference.

 

[Bizz]

The Sharks aren't giving away 1sts to get rid of Vlasic.

They'd be better off buying him out.

Vlasic is bad but he's still better than replacement level.

 

[PAZ]

Vlasic is a poster child of why you should never assume a player will age well simply because of their playstyle.

Didn't realize he's only 34. He really fell off a cliff.

 

[tiburon12]

Absolutely AZ would be interested. Looking at Vlasic's contract, let's say SJ trades him to AZ after the 2022-23 signing bonus of $2.25m is paid. That would leave Vlasic at $20.25m in total salary remaining for the final four season at a $7m AAV.

Vlassic is averaging 15 minutes TOI/G in 2021-22, down from 17 minutes in 2020-21. So basically playing 3rd line minutes now. Let's say AZ being towards the bottom of the league values a vet 3rd line Dman at about $1.5m per season. That would be $6m in value for Vlassic over four seasons against $20.25m owed in real dollars, a real dollar gap of $14.25m.

I could see AZ taking Vlassic for SJ's 2023 1st, 2024 1st and some other smaller sweetener for that $14.25m in salary difference.

wow, this is a much better idea than a buyout.....

 

[Mattb124]

Vlasic is a poster child of why you should never assume a player will age well simply because of their playstyle.

Didn't realize he's only 34. He really fell off a cliff.

The thing that is so annoying is he actually seems to play well when he gives a $#!+. It just doesn't occur that often.

 

[bleedblue94]

Vlasic is unnoticeable when played on the third pair. He is noticeable in a bad way on higher pairings. Awful contract for a third pair guy.

what happened to him? wasn't he talked about as a possible olympian at one point years ago?

 

[Stewie Griffin]

what happened to him? wasn't he talked about as a possible olympian at one point years ago?

He was an Olympian and one of the best defenseman in the world in the mid-2010s. Fell of the face of the earth a couple years ago...coincidentally right after signing an 8 year deal.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Absolutely AZ would be interested. Looking at Vlasic's contract, let's say SJ trades him to AZ after the 2022-23 signing bonus of $2.25m is paid. That would leave Vlasic at $20.25m in total salary remaining for the final four season at a $7m AAV.

Vlassic is averaging 15 minutes TOI/G in 2021-22, down from 17 minutes in 2020-21. So basically playing 3rd line minutes now. Let's say AZ being towards the bottom of the league values a vet 3rd line Dman at about $1.5m per season. That would be $6m in value for Vlassic over four seasons against $20.25m owed in real dollars, a real dollar gap of $14.25m.

I could see AZ taking Vlassic for SJ's 2023 1st, 2024 1st and some other smaller sweetener for that $14.25m in salary difference.

Have you been huffing paint? SJ would never do this

 

[Lenerdosy]

Probably a first round pick....

Oh wait you want to know what SJ can get, I thought it was what SJ had to give up to get rid of them.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Have you been huffing paint? SJ would never do this

Yeah if Vlasic is bought out there is only 2 years that would cost more then 4M (4.1, and 5.1). There is no point whatsoever to give up multiple first round picks to open up 4M, and 5M when the team will be bad anyway.

 

[Patty Ice]

I could see AZ taking Vlassic for SJ's 2023 1st, 2024 1st and some other smaller sweetener for that $14.25m in salary difference.

If you can see that I recommend putting the pipe down.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Burns to Buffalo with no retention seems plausible.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Burns to Buffalo with no retention seems plausible.

He has a 3 team trade list, can't see Buffalo being one of the 3 teams he would want to go to.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

I could see AZ taking Vlassic for SJ's 2023 1st, 2024 1st and some other smaller sweetener for that $14.25m in salary difference.

More than anything, the Sharks need young high end talent. There is a good chance that both of those 1st rounders are lottery picks. There is no way the Sharks would give even 1 of those picks to move Vlasic. Plus, I doubt Vlasic would approve a trade to Arizona.

As others have said, it is very likely that Vlasic gets bought out this summer. I suspect he will sign a cheap contract and play as a veteran 3rd pairing defenseman for another team next year.

I don’t think the Sharks are looking to move Burns.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

He has a 3 team trade list, can't see Buffalo being one of the 3 teams he would want to go to.

I would think his preference is to stay in SJ, but who knows maybe he misses Ontario? From a hockey standpoint Buffalo could absorb his caphit without much trouble.

 

[stator]

Burns' contract is descending in salary right now whereas Vlasic doesn't until the last two years. He would be far more worthless at that point to where I cannot see a team willing to trade anything for him, and the 50% retention limit would not be enough.

Burns would probably improve somewhat in a newer surroundings. So it's possible that the Sharks could trade him.

Vlasic, hell would freeze over first.

 

[Gecklund]

Absolutely AZ would be interested. Looking at Vlasic's contract, let's say SJ trades him to AZ after the 2022-23 signing bonus of $2.25m is paid. That would leave Vlasic at $20.25m in total salary remaining for the final four season at a $7m AAV.

Vlassic is averaging 15 minutes TOI/G in 2021-22, down from 17 minutes in 2020-21. So basically playing 3rd line minutes now. Let's say AZ being towards the bottom of the league values a vet 3rd line Dman at about $1.5m per season. That would be $6m in value for Vlassic over four seasons against $20.25m owed in real dollars, a real dollar gap of $14.25m.

I could see AZ taking Vlassic for SJ's 2023 1st, 2024 1st and some other smaller sweetener for that $14.25m in salary difference.

Absolutely not. Sharks wouldn’t give a single first to dump that, let alone two.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Good luck moving Vlasic. Unmovable contract.

I’m sure the contract weighs the same as everyone else’s.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Absolutely not. Sharks wouldn’t give a single first to dump that, let alone two.

Sharks would rather eat dead salary for a few years than give up 1st rounders. It’s too bad we didn’t have an owner like Hasso before all the contracts.

 

[Gecklund]

Sharks would rather eat dead salary for a few years than give up 1st rounders. It’s too bad we didn’t have an owner like Hasso before all the contracts.

It just doesn’t make sense to give up two first rounders that are probably going to be top 10 especially in a draft like the 23 draft.