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TSN: Brendan Shanahan named President of Toronto Maple Leafs
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Which game was this? And how do you know it was Leafs fans at away games?
According to Damien Cox, Brendan Shanahan will oversee general manager Dave Nonis and the hockey department, and he would also be involved in other business and league matters, such as the upcoming 100th anniversary of the Leafs.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/hocke...to_be_named_president_of_maple_leafs_cox.html
Last game vs. the Panthers. I read that it was also happening during the Tampa game, but I didn't watch the whole thing so I'm not sure.
He operates on a presidential level with all things hockey.
TL looks after the MLSE brand in its entirety. He appoints experts for each organization to report to him. Burke wasnt the GM, he was President and GM.
Shanny takes the President title abdicated by Burke. Likely he appoints his own man to be GM and bring in a coaching staff of his choosing. I can see Nonis heading to CGY in the coming weeks, well before the draft.
thewave
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Tak7
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For sheer consistency from the top to bottom of the organization, it would make sense if Shanahan came in, fired Nonis, and got his own guy in.
Does anyone think that Nonis now has a long term future with this team? I'm not convinced he does. The problem is this - if he doesn't have a long term future of this team, why give him any sort of ability to shape the team in the short term?
Nonis will have to hire a new coach (assuming Randy is gone), and he will presumably make roster changes in favor of the new coach. Then at some point, Nonis will get fired and a new guy will come in and have to un-do the work that Nonis did. It just doesn't make sense at all.
If you don't trust your management team enough to the point where you have to bring in a babysitter to sit on top of your GM, then why not just fire the management team in the first place?
You either let Nonis fix this thing on his own accord, or you get rid of him. Leaving him in a state of limbo in between both extremes is what the Leafs have done with this move, and it will end in a disaster.
We've seen what sorts of moves this team has made when they've had a general manager under pressure.
We've seen what happens to this organization when the general manager doesn't have full autonomy to shape the hockey team.
This isn't a progressive or forward-thinking move for this organization at all.
I've asked, in this thread, about 4 times now, for anyone to give me ONE SINGLE positive that the Shanahan hiring would have.
Nobody has responded to me.
You've all eaten up the PR smoke and mirrors.
Does anyone think that Nonis now has a long term future with this team? I'm not convinced he does. The problem is this - if he doesn't have a long term future of this team, why give him any sort of ability to shape the team in the short term?
Nonis will have to hire a new coach (assuming Randy is gone), and he will presumably make roster changes in favor of the new coach. Then at some point, Nonis will get fired and a new guy will come in and have to un-do the work that Nonis did. It just doesn't make sense at all.
If you don't trust your management team enough to the point where you have to bring in a babysitter to sit on top of your GM, then why not just fire the management team in the first place?
You either let Nonis fix this thing on his own accord, or you get rid of him. Leaving him in a state of limbo in between both extremes is what the Leafs have done with this move, and it will end in a disaster.
We've seen what sorts of moves this team has made when they've had a general manager under pressure.
We've seen what happens to this organization when the general manager doesn't have full autonomy to shape the hockey team.
This isn't a progressive or forward-thinking move for this organization at all.
I've asked, in this thread, about 4 times now, for anyone to give me ONE SINGLE positive that the Shanahan hiring would have.
Nobody has responded to me.
You've all eaten up the PR smoke and mirrors.
Pyromaniac3
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That's what you get when you hire a rookie. He has no resume so you can't really evaluate him.
But, wherever he goes he seems to surround himself with experienced guys.
According to Chris Johnston of Rogers Sportsnet, Brendan Shanahan duties are expected to be wide-ranging and include involvement in business, marketing, and other league-related matters. In other words, he won’t be negotiating contracts or helping manage the salary cap.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nonis-to-stay-on-as-leafs-gm-under-shanahan/
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nonis-to-stay-on-as-leafs-gm-under-shanahan/
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They were talking about bringing Gretzky in before the season went bad. Based on that, how can you claim this hiring is meant to be a distraction? If they were thinking about a move like this when the Leafs were solidly in a playoff position that refutes your claim.
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I don't buy the "business" part. Shanahan has no business experience, he is not coming her to do "business".
it's not the hiring ,per say.
it's all in the timing of it.
This is perfectly timed from PR point of view.
Just like when they inked Dion .
I would say the PR team is out doing the product on the ice )
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Exactly. Why would they hire someone with no business experience to the run the business? Shanahan is here to make hockey decisions.
Pretty big PR timing move. Instead of talking about the Leafs not making it, we're talking about Shanahan being President.
We could have grabed a more senior person to oversee hockey matters.
But
Shanny is from T.O.
He has played 2 really good organizations with a winning attitude
In Detroit he has seen what is needed to be a consistant Cup contender
His boss and coach are at the top of the list
He has had the best mentorship
One thing that I remember Holland saying.
I need to have a strong Center core.
I can always find wingers
We have some very talented players
but
I dont think it is the right mix and built the wrong way
This is the way it should be built
Goal - We know have Bernier
Defense - We are part way there
Center - Bozy, Kadri, Bolland and Mack ( it need to be re-built )
Shanny has some work to do
I just hope the he has told the boss that it is going to take time.
For me if we miss the playoffs next yr that is fine.
2015 is the draft to be a bottom team
I also think that Shanny will bring in his own people that he trust
But
Shanny is from T.O.
He has played 2 really good organizations with a winning attitude
In Detroit he has seen what is needed to be a consistant Cup contender
His boss and coach are at the top of the list
He has had the best mentorship
One thing that I remember Holland saying.
I need to have a strong Center core.
I can always find wingers
We have some very talented players
but
I dont think it is the right mix and built the wrong way
This is the way it should be built
Goal - We know have Bernier
Defense - We are part way there
Center - Bozy, Kadri, Bolland and Mack ( it need to be re-built )
Shanny has some work to do
I just hope the he has told the boss that it is going to take time.
For me if we miss the playoffs next yr that is fine.
2015 is the draft to be a bottom team
I also think that Shanny will bring in his own people that he trust
rrc1967
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you do realize he was the Vice President of Hockey and Business Development for the NHL for 2.5 years .. right? he got a 2+ year crash course in the business and marketing of hockey at the NHL level. He has far more knowledge about the business of hockey, than he does running a hockey club at the general managerial level, not to mention he's very familar with most if not all of the league operations from being on the competition committee that drafted up most of the newer rules, disipline, and working in the league head office.
for the role of president and liaison with the NHL - you can't get a better fit.
Tak7
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rrc1967
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there is that .. i hate to say it, but nonis and poulin aren't exactly the best at being in the public eye.
poulin comes across like a condescending ......... - and nonis just makes you feel he'd rather slip quietly away and do his job and let someone else be parked in front of the camera.
Stephen
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Poulin and Loiselle both seem like complete losers whose only function is to espouse Keep Calm Carry On on the radio, because as far as I can tell, not a lot is working right with this organization. Pro scouting, amateur scouting, development, cap management, what works?
Marlies are working pretty consistently, so as much as people complain, I'd argue our amateur scouting and development departments have made pretty big strides.
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Stephen
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The Marlies have been fairly successful as an AHL team for a while now, but the litmus test is how much young Marlies can come up every year and make big contributions to the Leafs. So far I see occasional callups for the 4th line and a stagnant top six where nobody is getting pushed by the young players.
Are people buying into this PR move though? I'm not, and based on many of the reactions here, no one else really is either. This move means nothing unless huge changes are made.
Shanahan was set in place just before the season ended and he can be in the process of conducting and evaluating the team. We'll see where this all leads starting Monday.
Mess
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If nothing else it comes across as MLSE is interested in fixing the problem by bringing in a fresh set of eyes with a solid hockey knowledge (Shanny has 3 Stanley Cup rings) to provide advice and direction.
Stephen
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Does it really matter?
Is Shanahan a fresh pair of eyes with an impressive contact list around the league and a keen mind for the game? If the answer is yes, he's a good addition.
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