"Sure buddy". You act like only a fool would believe that Gallagher was playing injured. The Sportsnet broadcast crew took it for granted that Gallagher was playing hurt, so I would think there is a strong chance that he was. Maybe, maybe not, but you really can't come on here and make fun of people for thinking he was hurt, you obviously don't know that he wasn't.
Value of: Brendan Gallagher
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"Sure buddy". You act like only a fool would believe that Gallagher was playing injured. The Sportsnet broadcast crew took it for granted that Gallagher was playing hurt, so I would think there is a strong chance that he was. Maybe, maybe not, but you really can't come on here and make fun of people for thinking he was hurt, you obviously don't know that he wasn't.
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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Coach Julien playing the shit out of an injured veteran leader? Is it that surprising to you?
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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Let's not start anything with Julien. I hate his coaching style it's boring and lame. Julien was coaching for not losing his job. He was about to end up 25-26th in the league out of the playoff again
Another reason is that Gallagher is degrading fast due to injuries. Right now we could still get premium futures for him because there are teams willing to take the chance on him. He is not going to help the Habs compete for anything. It makes sense to trade him now while we can. The vets you keep are Price and Weber (we pretty much don't have a choice anyway due to their contracts). Gallagher, Tatar, Domi, Drouin, and Petry should be moved now. Could you imagine the haul of young assets we could get for these guys? We could probably get a 1st and a good prospect for each of them, minimum. This could change the future of the franchise and bring us back to glory. Just look at what one trade of this type did for this team (Pacioretty).
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Have to agree Julien is good at teaching the basics and defence but after that it gets very boring watching this team play. I think its time Kirk Muller coaches he got much more exciting hockey out of our guys.
We'll have to include the fact that he was coach since you brought up Gallagher's ice time.
Gally hadn't missed a game since his freak hand injury before getting concussed earlier this year. he doesn't have a long list of serious injuries. willing to take a chance on him? you make it sound like he's already overboard...
you really expect Suzuki and KK to take prospects under their wings? you don't feel like that's a lot of unnecessary pressure
Patches was traded because (1) he shouldn't have been named captain and (2) he was clearly miserable in his last year with us
I love guys like Gallagher but you are correct . Precious few don’t fall off hard prior to their best before date.
There is some risk with Gallagher, either for the Habs if they keep him, or for the team acquiring him. His playing style combined with his size, and the fact that he isn't known for his speed will wear him down going forward. He still has a few good years left, which is why teams will be interested if he's made available, but I wouldn't bet on him being an effective player for much longer.
And who said anything about Kotkaniemi and Suzuki mentoring prospects? Price and Weber and whoever else will be around for that.
Lastly, who cares why Pacioretty was traded. You conveniently missed the point. Look at what the trade did for this team. The emergence of Suzuki took some of the hype and pressure off of Kotkaniemi, which is probably why his development took off.
Price and Weber aren't going to be centering these new prospects you're looking for
Help me understand where you're coming from. What good reasons are there for keeping vets like Gallagher considering the current state of the team? Where is the upside?
You mentioned the prospects needing mentors or whatever, but there will still be veterans on the team.
We don't know what the current state of the team is. We looked decent in the first quarter of the season before the wheels came off. This play-in/playoff showed us that this team might be ready for better days. Anyway, we still have a year to decide what happens. There's other players who need to move out first (Domi) and shit will be reevaluated next season.
Gally is clearly one of the most respected guys in the locker room and I don't see who in our prospects could replace what he brings to this team.
Gallagher brings physical play while being small. That doesn't even need to be replaced. I admire his heart and courage, but his style of play doesn't really help us all that much. Kotkaniemi was more effective with his physical play this post-season than anything I have ever seen from Gallagher. KK's physical play was actually generating scoring chances. As for leadership, I don't think he's as important as you are saying. Price and Weber are both above him in that regard.
We do know the current state of the team. We have a bunch of young prospects coming in or emerging. And we have a bunch of aging veterans who we will either lose for nothing, or who will be too old to be effective by the time these young guys start to hit their stride. The path forward, although not a guarantee to success, is clear. As is the path to continued mediocrity - and that one is much more certain. It's a no brainer.
Kapanen has a great deal and will be an RFA when it expires. Gallagher is a UFA next year. The value isn’t that much different. I know you don’t think the salary cap is a real thing, but it’s real. Rentals don’t fetch that much.
What does he bring then, in your opinion, that is so irreplaceable that he will still have when the prospects start to hit their primes? And don't say leadership because I have already addressed that. He is nowhere close to being the leader of the team. Also leadership can be acquired for cheap. You can bring in veteran free agents to provide leadership at pretty much anytime. Lots of veterans can show young guys how to be a pro, work on faceoffs, boardwork, defensive play, etc., in addition to the coaching staff. That is not going to be a problem.
It seems like your reasons for wanting to keep Gallagher are just sentimental because you haven't put forth much of an argument thus far.
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Gally is not going to get traded unless there is a ransom coming back.
Nor Petry.
Nor Price.
Nor Weber.
Nor Kk.
Nor Suzuki.
So please open as many threads as you want on the value for Lehky. Or Armia. Or a bunch of lesser guys because the immutable Law Of Trading, you got to give to get.
Nor Petry.
Nor Price.
Nor Weber.
Nor Kk.
Nor Suzuki.
So please open as many threads as you want on the value for Lehky. Or Armia. Or a bunch of lesser guys because the immutable Law Of Trading, you got to give to get.
HuGort
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Habs will sign Gallagher. Unless he wants outrageous amounts. To make up for haircut he took on this contract.
Warning: Undersized guys who rely on will and heart don't last long. They are great for a while and then one day it's just gone. If you fall into the trap of resigning your beloved little warrior to a long term deal or even worse, you trade for someone else's, expect to get about 2 or 3 good years before you are looking for someone to take on his salary or find a doctor who will tell you he can't play anymore.
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meh, I'm usually the first to critisize the over-valuation of our players by fellow Habs fans but considering his contract, his style of play, his determination and "grinding" attitude, I believe that he'd be the most valuable rental any given year.
Those who use the rental argument as a knock clearly have not followed TDL day in the past few years. Teams absolutely overpay if they think they can fill a need (see Coleman in TB), and they overpay more if that piece is prized by a few teams.
Unfortunately I think the best suitor for Gallagher (the rental) would be the Leafs, but I don't see a significant Leaf-Habs deal happening
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Habs will probably extend him and watch him quickly deteriorate into what Ryan Callahan basically was.
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