Breakup day updates

[JayQueensNY88*]

I have no problems with Nash. I'm gladd he is a Ranger and I look fwd to seeing him a lot more. He looked great all season. Slipped in the playoffs. But if I'm right a hockey team consists of 12 Fwds and 6 d men. Not just 1 fwd. Cally and Richards were absent. Zuccs absent. Hagelin absent. Our defenseman absent offensively,I'd expect more help and last but not least the POWER PLAY WAS ABSENT. So stop blaming Nash,it's ridiculous. Yes I expected more but this is a team sport. If the Rangers didn't go a ****** 3 for 40 on the PP or whatever it was then they would be heading to round 3.

Rick Nash is far from what the problem in NY is,far from it. First off get rid of this ******** Tortorella,that's a start

 

[Kershaw]

I have no problems with Nash. I'm gladd he is a Ranger and I look fwd to seeing him a lot more. He looked great all season. Slipped in the playoffs. But if I'm right a hockey team consists of 12 Fwds and 6 d men. Not just 1 fwd. Cally and Richards were absent. Zuccs absent. Hagelin absent. Our defenseman absent offensively,I'd expect more help and last but not least the POWER PLAY WAS ABSENT. So stop blaming Nash,it's ridiculous. Yes I expected more but this is a team sport. If the Rangers didn't go a ****** 3 for 40 on the PP or whatever it was then they would be heading to round 3.

Rick Nash is far from what the problem in NY is,far from it. First off get rid of this ******** Tortorella,that's a start

somehow with r.nash, it's always the team around him that is the problem.

 

[DudMan28]

This was essentially Rick Nash's first playoff run on a "contending" team. The year the Jackets made it they were just thankful to be there. Nash will be better next year, so everyone calm down.

 

[NYR Viper]

somehow with r.nash, it's always the team around him that is the problem.

Somehow with Ranger fans, the blame always falls to a couple of guys. What about the rest of the team?

 

[JayQueensNY88*]

This was essentially Rick Nash's first playoff run on a "contending" team. The year the Jackets made it they were just thankful to be there. Nash will be better next year, so everyone calm down.

Good point I was going to mention the same about being his first real p.o run

 

[JayQueensNY88*]

somehow with r.nash, it's always the team around him that is the problem.

Idk if I'm missing something. Cause if not what u are saying is completely asinine,please take no offense,I don't mean to sound like an ass. He was on one team before and it was cbj and they suck and have since Nash's first day there. This was his first playoff run with a solid squad and he was huge during he reg season. Plus it was his first season here. Yet u r so quick to dismiss him cause he had a poor playoffs ,meanwhile the NYr team sucked in general. I don't know about u,but from beginning to end this season was just disappointing besides a few things and players. Other words it was a ****ing mess man

 

[Kershaw]

Somehow with Ranger fans, the blame always falls to a couple of guys. What about the rest of the team?

The bottom 6 played fine. Asham played fine. Boyle played fine. Pyatt played way above his regular season level. Goalie played at an elite level, Lundqvist put team on his back. Brassard, Hagelin and Zuccarello provided nice secondary scoring as they should. McDonagh, Stralman, Girardi were good shutdown defenders. The rest of the roster was wildly inconsistent or just plain awful. And a lot of blame goes to the two highest paid players on the roster - Rick Nash and Brad Richards. Combined 2 goals for 14.4m cap hit. Futility.

 

[JayQueensNY88*]

Somehow with Ranger fans, the blame always falls to a couple of guys. What about the rest of the team?

Which was my point above.

 

[JayQueensNY88*]

The bottom 6 played fine. Asham played fine. Boyle played fine. Pyatt played way above his regular season level. Goalie played at an elite level, Lundqvist put team on his back. Brassard, Hagelin and Zuccarello provided nice secondary scoring as they should. McDonagh, Stralman, Girardi were good shutdown defenders. The rest of the roster was wildly inconsistent or just plain awful. And a lot of blame goes to the two highest paid players on the roster - Rick Nash and Brad Richards. Combined 2 goals for 14.4m cap hit. Futility.[/


Hagelin 3&3 and Zucc 1&7 is nice but when were them goals scored,were they helpful,game winners go ahead goals? When your first line star doesn't show up when expected ,I expect 2NDary players to step up more and be big time. So u are saying all secondary scores have to do is be secondry scores? If so that makes no sense. Sometimes it's nice to have an unexpected hero step up

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

This was essentially Rick Nash's first playoff run on a "contending" team. The year the Jackets made it they were just thankful to be there. Nash will be better next year, so everyone calm down.

it was Brassard's first playoff series ever and if it wasnt for him, NYR would not be in the 2ed round.. whats Nash's excuse??? Nash was suppose to lead this team and he has failed.... if he wasnt scoring, he should have found other ways to lead this team... he doesnt hit much on a consistent basis for a guy claimed to be a power forward.

 

[NYR Viper]

it was Brassard's first playoff series ever and if it wasnt for him, NYR would not be in the 2ed round.. whats Nash's excuse??? Nash was suppose to lead this team and he has failed.... if he wasnt scoring, he should have found other ways to lead this team... he doesnt hit much on a consistent basis for a guy claimed to be a power forward.

Why must there be an excuse? He wasn't as good as he needed to be. Does that mean he sucks and should be traded? Does no one see any sort of middle ground here or does everyone go as far in one direction as possible? Love or Hate is a perfect description for most things on this board.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Nash didn't play with the kind of aggressiveness needed in the playoffs. Not enough fight-back. He got abused by the Bruins. Not a good sign. He needs to be tougher for a guy his size.

 

[16 To Stanley*]

it was Brassard's first playoff series ever and if it wasnt for him, NYR would not be in the 2ed round.. whats Nash's excuse??? Nash was suppose to lead this team and he has failed.... if he wasnt scoring, he should have found other ways to lead this team... he doesnt hit much on a consistent basis for a guy claimed to be a power forward.

Why is it that Rangers fans always want players to play a style they don't. Nash is never going to hit like Lucic. He scored at a PPG pace this season.

Lets see how he does after another season in blue. It was also his first real playoffs. Sure Brassard played great, but do you think he really would have been that good and seen that much open ice had the top pairing for every team not been out against Nash?

Get a grip. Nash was our best player this whole season (sans Hank obviously).

Sure, it wasn't the greatest season, we didn't win the cup, expectations were higher. There are a couple things to note though. How many teams could lose their clear cut, #1 D-Man AND a top 6 forward (at least on this team) in Clowe & Staal and STILL manage to win a playoff round? Seriously, how many teams out there could do that?

Second, this team went through MASSIVE overhaul, which Nash couldn't control, both prior to the season and with 13 games to go at the deadline. Things take time, especially when you have such young guys coming in.

With less than 20 games to go, we added

Zucc
Brassard
Clowe
Moore
Dorsett (playoffs)

Teams don't just get to swap in and out 5 players and move forward like nothing happened, especially in a sport where chemistry is arguably the most important thing.

Was this the season we hoped for, no. But there are a LOT of positives to take out of it. With a full camp and hopefully some of the young guys developing, we have a shot at doing something special next year. Of course this depends on smart moves by management (which is always a question) and Torts hopefully letting some kids get through their growing pains (Kreider, Miller).

I'm so sick of it being heaped on one, single guy. Nash was wonderful for us in his first season. Like it or not, he barely sniffed the playoffs in Columbus and it was a learning process for him as well. Thankfully, he got quite a few games under his belt and appeared much more with it against Boston (who you should note, has a much stronger defense than WSH).

 

[I Eat Crow]

People,are over reacting to a quote from a locker room on breakup day. Relax, good God.

It's honestly hilarious to see all of the knee jerk reactions in this thread. Lets trade Nash! He is a loser!

Can't wait for you all to bounce back next year to loving him.

I don't think it's a knee jerk reaction. I think it's alarming when a supposed star player thats paid for scoring goals calls a goal in 12 games "good". It's a loser mentality that needs to go. I don't give a damn about him playing in Columbus in ten years, he was brought here to help us win now.

By no means am I saying trade him, but that attitude needs to change, and quick

 

[JayQueensNY88*]

I don't think it's a knee jerk reaction. I think it's alarming when a supposed star player thats paid for scoring goals calls a goal in 12 games "good". It's a loser mentality that needs to go. I don't give a damn about him playing in Columbus in ten years, he was brought here to help us win now.

By no means am I saying trade him, but that attitude needs to change, and quick

Wow man,lol. Relax it ain't that serious. What do u want him to say" yeah I sucked I was invisible and worthless" .come on man,really???.?

 

[RangersFan]

I still feel Nash is tremendously overrated, however I will cut the guy some slack considering he also had a tremendous regular season with a 40g 40a pace, good for 1st or 2nd best season of his career (79pts in 78games in 09). We all would have loved for him to produce more this run, but i really feel Torts relied on him to do too much. We need a coach who will extenuate the guys skills to fit into an offense, rather than giving him free reign and expecting him to score every individual effort goal possible for an under powered offense, which he did admirably during the regular season.

 

[Leetch3]

Why is it that Rangers fans always want players to play a style they don't. Nash is never going to hit like Lucic. He scored at a PPG pace this season.

he's never gonna hit like lucic but the guy is 6'4 220lbs and plays softer than mza who weighs like 75lbs lol. no one expects him to be lucic, but i don't think that expecting him to be stronger on the puck is unrealistic either.

 

[OrbitalDynamics]

Nash was "The Guy" in CMH, and now apparently in NY, he is again "The Guy".No one else on the team scored worth much of a crap in the playoffs either, but Nash sucks.

Hell, anyone else remember the 7 or so regular season games he was out with that "Undisclosed Injury" and the team couldn't find water at the beach?

 

[OrbitalDynamics]

he's never gonna hit like lucic but the guy is 6'4 220lbs and plays softer than mza who weighs like 75lbs lol. no one expects him to be lucic, but i don't think that expecting him to be stronger on the puck is unrealistic either.

Substitute Boyle for Nash and we've seen this movie before.

 

[Leetch3]

Nash was "The Guy" in CMH, and now apparently in NY, he is again "The Guy".No one else on the team scored worth much of a crap in the playoffs either, but Nash sucks.

Hell, anyone else remember the 7 or so regular season games he was out with that "Undisclosed Injury" and the team couldn't find water at the beach?

yes the whole team sucked and nash isn't the only one...but part of being THE GUY and being paid $7.8 mil/year to be THE GUY is that you share more of the blame than lesser players when things go wrong. fair or not expectations are higher for him...

and while this part isn't his fault, you can't overlook the fact that we broke up a pretty damn good team to get him and then he laid a gooseegg.

richards (obviously), callahan and stepan are also deserve huge criticism for their lack of production in the post season along with nash.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Somehow with Ranger fans, the blame always falls to a couple of guys. What about the rest of the team?

The only player who is not to blame next to Lundqvist is Derick Brassard, really. That guy was phenomenal. Zuccarello was fine, Stralman as well.

All the other guys did not perform the way they should.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Wow man,lol. Relax it ain't that serious. What do u want him to say" yeah I sucked I was invisible and worthless" .come on man,really???.?

Boyle held himself accountable, why not? He needed to be better, it's nice as a fan to see he's holding himself accountable. The Rangers could lose 1-0 and Lundqvist will be saying he should've stopped that one shot he was beaten by. I'm not seeing the same from Nash.

 

[OrbitalDynamics]

you can't overlook the fact that we broke up a pretty damn good team to get him and then he laid a gooseegg.

Broke up? Johnny Malkin signed in Colorado, Prust priced himself out,Fedotenko wasn't even given a call apparently. I liked Dubi and Arti, but they are expendable when a player like Nash is on the block.Erixon was in the Whale FFS.

Laid a goose egg? You miss the regular season?

Just like in CMH he was the offense, shut him down and everything else goes poof apparently.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

Why must there be an excuse? He wasn't as good as he needed to be. Does that mean he sucks and should be traded? Does no one see any sort of middle ground here or does everyone go as far in one direction as possible? Love or Hate is a perfect description for most things on this board.

I'm not expecting any excuses from Nash (or anyone else for that matter) and I'm not ranting about trading him. But, I did watch him carefully and his performance during the playoffs bothered me. He's a big guy for this team--both literally and figuratively--and he needs to play better in the playoffs if he wants his team to go beyond the second round. What he said today is hopefully not what he's thinking, because it will only get harder next season. Some players are built for the regular season and never perform as well in the playoffs: Nash better not be that kind of player.

 

[3rd Guy High]

Why is it that Rangers fans always want players to play a style they don't. Nash is never going to hit like Lucic. He scored at a PPG pace this season.

Lets see how he does after another season in blue. It was also his first real playoffs. Sure Brassard played great, but do you think he really would have been that good and seen that much open ice had the top pairing for every team not been out against Nash?

Get a grip. Nash was our best player this whole season (sans Hank obviously).

Sure, it wasn't the greatest season, we didn't win the cup, expectations were higher. There are a couple things to note though. How many teams could lose their clear cut, #1 D-Man AND a top 6 forward (at least on this team) in Clowe & Staal and STILL manage to win a playoff round? Seriously, how many teams out there could do that?

Second, this team went through MASSIVE overhaul, which Nash couldn't control, both prior to the season and with 13 games to go at the deadline. Things take time, especially when you have such young guys coming in.

With less than 20 games to go, we added

Zucc
Brassard
Clowe
Moore
Dorsett (playoffs)

Teams don't just get to swap in and out 5 players and move forward like nothing happened, especially in a sport where chemistry is arguably the most important thing.

Was this the season we hoped for, no. But there are a LOT of positives to take out of it. With a full camp and hopefully some of the young guys developing, we have a shot at doing something special next year. Of course this depends on smart moves by management (which is always a question) and Torts hopefully letting some kids get through their growing pains (Kreider, Miller).

I'm so sick of it being heaped on one, single guy. Nash was wonderful for us in his first season. Like it or not, he barely sniffed the playoffs in Columbus and it was a learning process for him as well. Thankfully, he got quite a few games under his belt and appeared much more with it against Boston (who you should note, has a much stronger defense than WSH).

What? Brassard was put on Nash's line (why? I don't know, but that was a Pejorative Slured decision) and STILL out produced Nash. So don't use the top d eyeing in on them as an excuse. Who does Wash have that compares to McDonagh and Girardi when it comes down to shutting down an elite forward? Carlson and Alzner? They're good, but not good enough to be able to shut down Nash for 7 games.

What about Chara? Oh, you mean the guy that was subpar against us? The one Stepan pickpocketed and was danced around numerous times during our 5 game series? Is he good? Yes, but Nash didn't really challenge him as much as he should have. Nash neutralized himself half of the time just by not getting involved in the play.

An overhaul is no excuse for someone like Nash who's at his best when he's making individual plays by himself by driving to the net and using his body and hands to beat defenders.

Brassard, Zuccarello and Hagelin out produced Nash. Enough with the excuses for the guy. He sucked these playoffs. Theres no tiptoeing around that. Just hope he's got some hidden post-season talent in him that we don't see yet.

By the way, Boston was missing 3 defensemen that were in their starting lineup. They still wiped the floor with us in 5 games.

Nash has to play harder and get more engaged in the game during the playoffs. End of story.