Breakup day updates

[Brooklyn Ranger]

Nash didn't play with the kind of aggressiveness needed in the playoffs. Not enough fight-back. He got abused by the Bruins. Not a good sign. He needs to be tougher for a guy his size.

Exactly. While players have to fight for every foot during the season, they have to fight for every inch in the playoffs. Nash is always going to be the center of attention because of his size and ability. He needs to recognize that he has to take it to a higher level in the playoffs. He gets a mulligan this year, but next year it's on him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

All in all, in a shortened season, where we had no preparation (unlike some other teams) and we had injuries woes (Staal, Clowe, Gaborik, Nash, Powe etc.) and a bunch of new guys in Brassard, Clowe, Moore, Zucc, Dorsett, Nash, Hamrlik we will have a new chance next season.

Good camp, enough time to build chemistry. Our top guys are now Stepan and Brassard in the middle, Nash and Hagelin on the wings. We just need more depth for our 3rd and 4th line. Buying out Richards and Redden coming off the books will open up some space to sign some decent depth players and leave enough to re-sign our RFA's

 

[broadwayblue]

isn't Redden already off our books? i thought he was bought out at the start of the season.

 

[Kershaw]

Idk if I'm missing something. Cause if not what u are saying is completely asinine,please take no offense,I don't mean to sound like an ass. He was on one team before and it was cbj and they suck and have since Nash's first day there. This was his first playoff run with a solid squad and he was huge during he reg season. Plus it was his first season here. Yet u r so quick to dismiss him cause he had a poor playoffs ,meanwhile the NYr team sucked in general. I don't know about u,but from beginning to end this season was just disappointing besides a few things and players. Other words it was a ****ing mess man

It's OK, it is just a message board and I enjoy seeing debates with differing opinions. That's why we're all here, right?

I agree the whole team was a mess, but Nash was a HUGE part of the mess. And CBJ sucked all those years because they were deluded into building around Nash. Now the Rangers are making that same failure and their offense is crap, just like it was for Nash in his tenure with CBJ.

 

[BBKers]

It's OK, it is just a message board and I enjoy seeing debates with differing opinions. That's why we're all here, right?

I agree the whole team was a mess, but Nash was a HUGE part of the mess. And CBJ sucked all those years because they were deluded into building around Nash. Now the Rangers are making that same failure and their offense is crap, just like it was for Nash in his tenure with CBJ.

Gotta agree. Liked a bit of what I saw from Nash in the regular season but found him quite ineffective when it comes to converting. And a bit of a coaster, despite his size also not having that physical edge he could/should have if he represents the NA hockey he is imaged as doing.
In the playoffs - he was bad to dismal. No way is he a player to build a franchise around if this is the player we got in the trade. Gaborik - despite evident regression - would have put up more points/goals than Nash in the playoffs, that much is certain. And no PP goals in POs is a joke. As a Ranger Gaborik >> Nash so far. Plain and simple. But not saying that the Gaborik trade will not work out though, even though I still think we lost the Nash trade. Oh, that's right, Gaborik was not a good old boy...

 

[Callagraves]

It's OK, it is just a message board and I enjoy seeing debates with differing opinions. That's why we're all here, right?

I agree the whole team was a mess, but Nash was a HUGE part of the mess. And CBJ sucked all those years because they were deluded into building around Nash. Now the Rangers are making that same failure and their offense is crap, just like it was for Nash in his tenure with CBJ.

I have to wonder how much of this you being upset that the team essentially replaced Gabby with Nash.

 

[Kershaw]

I have to wonder how much of this you being upset that the team essentially replaced Gabby with Nash.

I feel those two are very interchangeable players, neither have much of a dramatic effect over one another, granted they're both 100%. I am not a fan of the rest of the roster revamp, however. Not only do I believe Dubi, AA, Erixon, Prust, Fedotenko were better players than the ones who got replaced, I feel the team lost a lot of team chemistry in the process. And I am pretty ticked about not having a 1rst or 2nd round pick in a year where there was an early playoff exit.

 

[Anthony Mauro]

That Gaborik trade sure makes things a little more digestible at this time of year.

Brassard co-piloting with Stepan is huge and Moore quietly starting his overtaking of DZ gives us some flexibility/takes pressure off the D.

I like the shape of the team, just needs some ironing out.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

That Gaborik trade sure makes things a little more digestible at this time of year.

Brassard co-piloting with Stepan is huge and Moore quietly starting his overtaking of DZ gives us some flexibility/takes pressure off the D.

I like the shape of the team, just needs some ironing out.

Agreed. Good post.

 

[Anthony Mauro]

Exactly. While players have to fight for every foot during the season, they have to fight for every inch in the playoffs. Nash is always going to be the center of attention because of his size and ability. He needs to recognize that he has to take it to a higher level in the playoffs. He gets a mulligan this year, but next year it's on him.

Part that isn't so encouraging is there doesn't seem like there will be an urgency to change. He thinks he did 'good'.

 

[Callagraves]

I feel those two are very interchangeable players, neither have much of a dramatic effect over one another, granted they're both 100%. I am not a fan of the rest of the roster revamp, however. Not only do I believe Dubi, AA, Erixon, Prust, Fedotenko were better players than the ones who got replaced, I feel the team lost a lot of team chemistry in the process. And I am pretty ticked about not having a 1rst or 2nd round pick in a year where there was an early playoff exit.

I'm mostly in agreement. I think when at their best, Gaborik and Nash are hugely valuable players, though I think Nash is a better fit for our forecheck.

I'm torn on the revamp. I miss the hell out of Dubi, and AA. I'm really liking what I've seen from Brassard so far, and I'm NUTS about Moore. Dorsset is one of the few players who can benefit from Torts, as in turning down all the penalties. He plays hard, and he's shown that he'll fight literally anyone. Gotta appreciate that.

I don't think Erixon is better than Moore, and I don't call the 2nd round an early exit. I don't know if I'd want Clowe over Dubi. Need to see more Clowe.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

It's OK, it is just a message board and I enjoy seeing debates with differing opinions. That's why we're all here, right?

I agree the whole team was a mess, but Nash was a HUGE part of the mess. And CBJ sucked all those years because they were deluded into building around Nash. Now the Rangers are making that same failure and their offense is crap, just like it was for Nash in his tenure with CBJ.

How so? Because CBJ was willing to make a deal for Gaborik? Please.

I think there are quite a few different reasons as to why the teams offense might be crap, a garbage roster as you like to call it, a coach with a bad system, no power play, inability to sustain pressure, taking "easy" perimeter shots, under performing players etc...

Not having a 1st is always a bummer but at 19 that player would still be a few years away, won't kill us.

Part that isn't so encouraging is there doesn't seem like there will be an urgency to change. He thinks he did 'good'.

The ability of people around here to over analyze statements is truly astounding. He said it was a good experience. Which means he won't be motivated to play harder? Not everyone likes to analyze their performances it isn't like he scored multiple own goals. Personalities differ, he's not Brian Boyle.

Did you listen to it or are you actually just grabbing that little tidbit and running with it like so many other people, because he also said he's excited to get at it again and go even deeper and that he wants to improve and analyze what went on.

 

[Leetch3]

isn't Redden already off our books? i thought he was bought out at the start of the season.

as part of being able to buy him out early, we still carried a cap hit attached to him. but it will now come off the books completely i believe

 

[Barnaby]

Gotta agree. Liked a bit of what I saw from Nash in the regular season but found him quite ineffective when it comes to converting. And a bit of a coaster, despite his size also not having that physical edge he could/should have if he represents the NA hockey he is imaged as doing.
In the playoffs - he was bad to dismal. No way is he a player to build a franchise around if this is the player we got in the trade. Gaborik - despite evident regression - would have put up more points/goals than Nash in the playoffs, that much is certain. And no PP goals in POs is a joke. As a Ranger Gaborik >> Nash so far. Plain and simple. But not saying that the Gaborik trade will not work out though, even though I still think we lost the Nash trade. Oh, that's right, Gaborik was not a good old boy...

I liked Gaborik a lot so this is not an anti-Gabby post, but it's certain that he would have had more points/goals... no, it's not. Perhaps he would have, but Gaborik was a shell of his former self this year. I don't believe that he was ever close to 100% physically. You give Gaborik credit, but call Nash a coaster? Nash does coast at times, but Gaborik is always very tentative about any physical contact (albeit for good reason, since he is always getting injured).

Liked 'a bit' of what you saw from Nash? I thought the guy played very well during the regular season. He played very well at times during the playoffs, but IMHO he had trouble in the playoffs due to a lack of experience. That's not a total excuse. You have to find a way during the playoffs, but still... I just felt that he often tried to do too much in terms of making that extra move/deke rather than just putting the puck on net. I don't have any doubt about Nash moving forward - I think he has the skills/brain to figure it out. I don't believe effort was ever the problem here.

Yea, we lost that trade... no sir... get a first line forward for less... go ahead and try...

 

[Anthony Mauro]

The ability of people around here to over analyze statements is truly astounding. He said it was a good experience. Which means he won't be motivated to play harder? Not everyone likes to analyze their performances it isn't like he scored multiple own goals. Personalities differ, he's not Brian Boyle.

Did you listen to it or are you actually just grabbing that little tidbit and running with it like so many other people, because he also said he's excited to get at it again and go even deeper and that he wants to improve and analyze what went on.

I was just going by the summaries, which were misleading. That is my fault.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

Part that isn't so encouraging is there doesn't seem like there will be an urgency to change. He thinks he did 'good'.

Come on--do you really think any player is content with a second round playoff exit? I'm willing to give Nash time because I'm sure he's not statisfied with the results.

 

[Ola]

somehow with r.nash, it's always the team around him that is the problem.

Somehow in NY, its always one or two players thought. People think the other teams will give us a Cup because we are from "NY". Sickening.

Why should we go anywhere in the POs? Do we PK well? Haha, no. Do we PP well? Its not even funny. And that is not Nash fault entirely, he has just not been able to fix it by himself. Do we attack well? Hardly. We live on turnovers and one man shows from Nash. We made the PO's due to Nash and Hank alone to start with. Do we defend no? Nope, we are probably the team in the league that gives up the most quality scoring chances...

So we aren't good at anything. Yeah, its one players fault. Disgusting.

The good teams in this league are "admireble". Watch them play, they do so many things well. And its not their stars. Boston's 4th did many things really well. Boston's 3rd did many things really well. Boston's 2nd did many things really well. Teams win and loose in the NHL 2013. Now, starts might enable you to build a strong team. Sure. But Pittsburgh does well when Sid and/or Malkin is out. We just haven't done our homework in NY. We have taken shortcuts. John "Shortcuts" Tortorella was caught with his pants down. Its as simple as that. He had not done his homework. He didn't have the guts to go into the lockerroom, to infront of media and fans (directly or indirectly), and tell people that we had to start passing the puck up ice. That Boston, that also is a grinding team, were doing just that and that they won all the momentum because of it and just manhandled us from the time the puck was dropped.

 

[BBKers]

I liked Gaborik a lot so this is not an anti-Gabby post, but it's certain that he would have had more points/goals... no, it's not. Perhaps he would have, but Gaborik was a shell of his former self this year. I don't believe that he was ever close to 100% physically. You give Gaborik credit, but call Nash a coaster? Nash does coast at times, but Gaborik is always very tentative about any physical contact (albeit for good reason, since he is always getting injured).

Liked 'a bit' of what you saw from Nash? I thought the guy played very well during the regular season. He played very well at times during the playoffs, but IMHO he had trouble in the playoffs due to a lack of experience. That's not a total excuse. You have to find a way during the playoffs, but still... I just felt that he often tried to do too much in terms of making that extra move/deke rather than just putting the puck on net. I don't have any doubt about Nash moving forward - I think he has the skills/brain to figure it out. I don't believe effort was ever the problem here.

Yea, we lost that trade... no sir... get a first line forward for less... go ahead and try...

Getting "a first line forward" for quite the bounty and then having his play and production turn out the way it did in these playoffs (similar to his previous results in a mere lone series in Columbus) kind of makes the true first line forward definition a big ??? At least When the going gets rough, no? Lack ofexperience? Guy is soon 29 years old... C'mon... He either puts points in playoffs now at this point in his career or he is soon to be forever deemed a playoff choker. It is unfortunately that simple. He needs to grow a pair if he is to lead the team. Both through the regular season and in the playoffs. Otherwise we do lose that trade.
What if we had had Rick Nash originally (Great Scott Batman - we got Lee Falardeau that draft instead!) and then traded him first last offseason (getting Brassard, Moore and Dorsett and seen an improvement) & then acquired Gaborik at the deadline (for Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon and a 1st) and he then puts up as lousy of a playoff series that Nash now did. I betcha then that the riots would have begun (yes - we have riots now all over in Sweden btw) in the 5 Burroughs and beyond... Just saying... Anyways, time will tell regarding the Nash trade but now I Am certainly more worried about it than before...

 

[BBKers]

Somehow in NY, its always one or two players thought. People think the other teams will give us a Cup because we are from "NY". Sickening.

Why should we go anywhere in the POs? Do we PK well? Haha, no. Do we PP well? Its not even funny. And that is not Nash fault entirely, he has just not been able to fix it by himself. Do we attack well? Hardly. We live on turnovers and one man shows from Nash. We made the PO's due to Nash and Hank alone to start with. Do we defend no? Nope, we are probably the team in the league that gives up the most quality scoring chances...

So we aren't good at anything. Yeah, its one players fault. Disgusting.

The good teams in this league are "admireble". Watch them play, they do so many things well. And its not their stars. Boston's 4th did many things really well. Boston's 3rd did many things really well. Boston's 2nd did many things really well. Teams win and loose in the NHL 2013. Now, starts might enable you to build a strong team. Sure. But Pittsburgh does well when Sid and/or Malkin is out. We just haven't done our homework in NY. We have taken shortcuts. John "Shortcuts" Tortorella was caught with his pants down. Its as simple as that. He had not done his homework. He didn't have the guts to go into the lockerroom, to infront of media and fans (directly or indirectly), and tell people that we had to start passing the puck up ice. That Boston, that also is a grinding team, were doing just that and that they won all the momentum because of it and just manhandled us from the time the puck was dropped.

C'mon Ola, you are being hard here on the coach. The players just did not follow his JAM plan... A la Barney Rubble

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Exactly. While players have to fight for every foot during the season, they have to fight for every inch in the playoffs. Nash is always going to be the center of attention because of his size and ability. He needs to recognize that he has to take it to a higher level in the playoffs. He gets a mulligan this year, but next year it's on him.

That's pretty much the way Nash has always been, as far back as his junior days. He's never been the type to raise his game or intensity level for any length of time. That's why you saw him disappear for games at a time during the regular season (surprised so many people forgot about that already) and will score in bunches.

 

[haohmaru]

Some food for thought for those of you ripping Nash

Jagr 12 games 0 goals
Ovechkin 7 games 1 goal
Toews 11 games 1 goal
Seguin 12 games 1 goal
Selanne 7 games 1 goal
Koivu 7 games 1 goal
Backstrom 7 games 1 goal
Perry 7 games 0 goals

Some big names in there. A lot of top forwards have been shut down in these playoffs.

 

[I Am Chariot]

That Gaborik trade sure makes things a little more digestible at this time of year.

Brassard co-piloting with Stepan is huge and Moore quietly starting his overtaking of DZ gives us some flexibility/takes pressure off the D.

I like the shape of the team, just needs some ironing out.

Agreed. All in all I think the team took steps in the right direction

 

[I Am Chariot]

Some food for thought for those of you ripping Nash

Jagr 12 games 0 goals
Ovechkin 7 games 1 goal
Toews 11 games 1 goal
Seguin 12 games 1 goal
Selanne 7 games 1 goal
Koivu 7 games 1 goal
Backstrom 7 games 1 goal
Perry 7 games 0 goals

Some big names in there. A lot of top forwards have been shut down in these playoffs.

Finding the right line mates for Nash is important. I enjoyed watching him play this season. You can really see his talent.

I'd love to see the Rangers find the right guy of size and skill, tough and smart to play on a line with Nash with MZA

 

[KreidertheGlider]

Some food for thought for those of you ripping Nash

Jagr 12 games 0 goals
Ovechkin 7 games 1 goal
Toews 11 games 1 goal
Seguin 12 games 1 goal
Selanne 7 games 1 goal
Koivu 7 games 1 goal
Backstrom 7 games 1 goal
Perry 7 games 0 goals

Some big names in there. A lot of top forwards have been shut down in these playoffs.

He was forced to play against some very good defenseman just like these guys. The rest of the team needs to step it up.

He just didn't seem well adjusted to playoff hockey. He tried to do too much a lot. He should of had a ******** of assists considering he had an open lines mate at all times

 

[RGY]

I would be ok with Richards coming back. This is not Drury. Drury's career derailed instantly because of the type of game he played. Richards has a high offensive IQ. He made mistakes. His game was off. I could live with one more year for him to get it together.