Player Discussion: Brayden Point - Part 3

[God King Fudge]

People talk about shiny new toys and then talk about paying Brayden Point unprecedented bridge money after one 90 point season.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

point couldnt go into this thinking would get more then hedman stamkos if they did his agent is a moron or point is too greedy plain and simple... im ok with jbb playing hardball if he wanted marner type money or even over 8 F them .... now i do not see this as case i see 1.5 more as a target number puts 7ish which again to me is too high for 3 years but palatable

 

[LightningStrikes]

There is zero precedent with the organization with this. Our 3 troublemakers all got moved because of their personality. Drouin, DeAngelo, and Dotchin...wait we really have problems with players names who start with "D".

Explains why there’s not a single player left on the preseason roster with a name starting with d. thinkingface

 

[Todd1a]

point couldnt go into this thinking would get more then hedman stamkos if they did his agent is a moron or point is too greedy plain and simple... im ok with jbb playing hardball if he wanted marner type money or even over 8 F them .... now i do not see this as case i see 1.5 more as a target number puts 7ish which again to me is too high for 3 years but palatable

HockeyBuzz.com - Eklund - RFA Update> Brayden Point Situation Worsening.....Jack Hughes Dazzles..

 

[ccman68]

HockeyBuzz.com - Eklund - RFA Update> Brayden Point Situation Worsening.....Jack Hughes Dazzles..

Don’t post that trash here please.

 

[CupsOverCash]

HockeyBuzz.com - Eklund - RFA Update> Brayden Point Situation Worsening.....Jack Hughes Dazzles..

Come on Todd. You know better than to go to hockeybuzz.

 

[Todd1a]

Come on Todd. You know better than to go to hockeybuzz.

LOl but does this mean he signs in 10 mins also

 

[CupsOverCash]

LOl but does this mean he signs in 10 mins also

10 mins would be great.

 

[rielledup]

The fact that he had an extremely high shooting % of 21.5 would make me very hesitant to pay him like a legit 40 goal scorer before I was able to see him do it again.

 

[DFC]

The fact that he had an extremely high shooting % of 21.5 would make me very hesitant to pay him like a legit 40 goal scorer before I was able to see him do it again.

Nobody's talking about paying him like a 40 goal scorer. We're talking about how much of 8.5 to give him.

 

[Boltswin]

Nobody's talking about paying him like a 40 goal scorer. We're talking about how much of 8.5 to give him.

But people are talking about making him the highest paid player in franchise history after the bridge

 

[DFC]

But people are talking about making him the highest paid player in franchise history after the bridge

That's more about the salary cap than Point. His percentage of the cap will likely be lower than Kuch's (at the time Kuch signed), but it's still likely to work out to more real dollars. Especially if the TV deal boosts the cap.

But regardless, that's a 2022 problem. Nobody's talking about doing that now.

 

[Boltswin]

That's more about the salary cap than Point. His percentage of the cap will likely be lower than Kuch's (at the time Kuch signed), but it's still likely to work out to more real dollars. Especially if the TV deal boosts the cap.

But regardless, that's a 2022 problem. Nobody's talking about doing that now.

If he never beats his production this season (I think he could; probably more likely than a significant regression, but we just don’t know), I don’t see it (highest paid player) happening now or ‘22. This is such a shitty situation because I think Point is worth maybe 8m long term right now. I’d much rather give him that now then 10+++ in a few years.

Nobody is saying “make him the highest paid player” now, but they are already planning to do it in the future before we see if he is as good as we think he is.

 

[DFC]

If he never beats his production this season (I think he could; probably more likely than a significant regression, but we just don’t know), I don’t see it (highest paid player) happening now or ‘22. This is such a ****ty situation because I think Point is worth maybe 8m long term right now. I’d much rather give him that now then 10+++ in a few years.

Nobody is saying “make him the highest paid player” now, but they are already planning to do it in the future before we see if he is as good as we think he is.

I don't think we have the money to sign him long-term. It would probably take more than 8.5.

The thing about your second paragraph is nobody's trying to offer him that contract now. We assume he's good enough to get it. If he's not, he's not. Even then, it depends on where the cap is though.

 

[Sky04]

The fact that he had an extremely high shooting % of 21.5 would make me very hesitant to pay him like a legit 40 goal scorer before I was able to see him do it again.

Except a legit 40 goal scorer would take more than 8.5m.....

 

[Sky04]

People talk about shiny new toys and then talk about paying Brayden Point unprecedented bridge money after one 90 point season.

Oh sorry I forgot 90 point scorers on their ELC's come by often or ones that can go ppg through 3 playoff rounds.

I mean, we could just trade Point I would love to see what anyone can come up with to use that 5.7m. Could pick up a nice Andrew Ladd type player off free agency.

 

[Master P]

Oh sorry I forgot 90 point scorers on their ELC's come by often or ones that can go ppg through 3 playoff rounds.

I mean, we could just trade Point I would love to see what anyone can come up with to use that 5.7m. Could pick up a nice Andrew Ladd type player off free agency.

 

[Sky04]

Personally, I was thinking of the value we got on Ryan Callahan at that price but I think your ideas better.

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

I think we all forget Point was also playing with Stammer and Kuch I think that obviously helped him have the season he did. I don’t think he can come in demanding more then Stanmer,Kuch, Heddy after one 90 point season

 

[DFC]

I think we all forget Point was also playing with Stammer and Kuch I think that obviously helped him have the season he did. I don’t think he can come in demanding more then Stanmer,Kuch, Heddy after one 90 point season

There's nothing to suggest he's demanding that.

 

[The Gongshow]

Its gotta be down to $$$ right, didn't his agent said he was fine with a bridge or long term deal? I don't think term is the problem

 

[DFC]

Its gotta be down to $$$ right, didn't his agent said he was fine with a bridge or long term deal? I don't think term is the problem

Yeah. JBB is probably fighting for the ability to sign Point AND save enough space for a TDL acquisition. Point is just fighting for a deal at least somewhat comparable to his peers. It'll get done at some point. They know the max dollars available.

 

[DFC]

Apparently the Ave's offer to Rantanen is in the neighborhood of 8.5m x 6.

Unlikely Rantanen signs for that, but still, it's a good sign for us that the Aves are fighting to get his cap hit down. If he signs for 9 or less, Point probably gets done the next day.

 

[These Are The Days]

Apparently the Ave's offer to Rantanen is in the neighborhood of 8.5m x 6.

Unlikely Rantanen signs for that, but still, it's a good sign for us that the Aves are fighting to get his cap hit down. If he signs for 9 or less, Point probably gets done the next day.

After this many signings I feel like that's unlikely. It feels like JBB is going for "3 years $5.7 million" or bust. I'm not getting any sense that there's any willingness to change the offer because given the Marner signing and that there's apparently been no new traction since then, I can't say I'm optimistic that we've moved off "our number." I'm really starting to think that was less a low ball and more a "This is what our cap monkeys came up with. Sign here please"

 

[42]

After this many signings I feel like that's unlikely. It feels like JBB is going for "3 years $5.7 million" or bust. I'm not getting any sense that there's willingness to change the offer because given the Marner signing and that there's apparently been no new traction since then, I can't say I'm optimistic that we've moved off "our number." I'm really starting to think that was less a low ball and more a "This is what our cap monkeys came up with. Sign here please"

If JBB insists on such a low AAV, the term would have to change to 2 years. And even then it'll be unlikely he signs. I can't see Point signing 3 years at 5.7.
But I can see the offer being higher now, something like 3 years and 6.67 AAV. Point is waiting for something closer to 8.