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True Blue said:
Pirri is showing himself to be the player he has been. Not unexpected.
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Right. This is why Pirri was available late in free agency on a cheap deal. One trick pony that runs hot and cold. He's a nice depth player, but that's it.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Right. This is why Pirri was available late in free agency on a cheap deal. One trick pony that runs hot and cold. He's a nice depth player, but that's it.
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Was going to say he rubs me as one of those guys who gets hot for single playoff series then drifts into the background again. He's never actually been to the playoffs. Powerplays are huge in April though, so we'll see.
 
Crease said:
Was going to say he rubs me as one of those guys who gets hot for single playoff series then drifts into the background again. He's never actually been to the playoffs. Powerplays are huge in April though, so we'll see.
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Which is why I caution those who rejoice at Peumpel.
 
He wasn't shooting enough.

5v5 shot attempts per 60 are down 4 since last year.

I think his deficiencies are heavily overblown on HFNYR, and I'd much rather have him in the lineup than Vesey right now. Or Puempel. Or Lindberg.
 
eyjee said:
He wasn't shooting enough.

5v5 shot attempts per 60 are down 4 since last year.

I think his deficiencies are heavily overblown on HFNYR, and I'd much rather have him in the lineup than Vesey right now. Or Puempel. Or Lindberg.
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Would you rather him be in the lineup as he is now...or when he's doing what he's supposed to be doing aka MORE DAKKA
 


Back on the bench, it seems. Rejoice!

#Floater
#Slow
#WeakOnTheBoards
#AllHeDoesIsShoot
#CantHitTheNet
#GlassIsAShortTermFix
#HeWontBeInTheLineupEveryGame
#TeamNeedsASpark
#DidIAlreadySayFloater?
 
Thank god the worst player in the NHL is finally scratched!!!!

lol wait he's in and likely gettin 12 minutes tonight
 
Raspewtin said:
Thank god the worst player in the NHL is finally scratched!!!!

lol wait he's in and likely gettin 12 minutes tonight
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The only reason we hate AV is because we're dumb and he chews a lot of gum!

Obviously GMJG has reigned in AV, Glass started this year in the AHL!

Why are you freaking out? It's just a short-term solution to give the rest of the team a kick in the ass.

Just like when we called him up last year.
Just like when we signed Paille.
 
eyjee said:


Back on the bench, it seems. Rejoice!

#Floater
#Slow
#WeakOnTheBoards
#AllHeDoesIsShoot
#CantHitTheNet
#GlassIsAShortTermFix
#HeWontBeInTheLineupEveryGame
#TeamNeedsASpark
#DidIAlreadySayFloater?
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#Floater (at times)
#Slow (below NHL average skater)
#WeakOnTheBoards (usually but not always)
#AllHeDoesIsShoot (I do not think that is possible in the NHL)
#CantHitTheNet (exaggeration)
#GlassIsAShortTermFix (Glass is not a fix)
#HeWontBeInTheLineupEveryGame (few 4th liners play every game)
#TeamNeedsASpark (they do come out flat too often)
#DidIAlreadySayFloater? (yes you did say that at the top.)

Pirri is not nearly as good as some say but also not as bad as some people say like most players. With that said 4th line players are often on the bubble. There are many 4th line players in the NHL that do not play every game. Is it possible you are over reacting? Is Pirri sitting tonight or or the reincarnation of Mike Bossy?
 
NickyFotiu said:
#Floater (at times)
#Slow (below NHL average skater)
#WeakOnTheBoards (usually but not always)
#AllHeDoesIsShoot (I do not think that is possible in the NHL)
#CantHitTheNet (exaggeration)
#GlassIsAShortTermFix (Glass is not a fix)
#HeWontBeInTheLineupEveryGame (few 4th liners play every game)
#TeamNeedsASpark (they do come out flat too often)
#DidIAlreadySayFloater? (yes you did say that at the top.)

Pirri is not nearly as good as some say but also not as bad as some people say like most players. With that said 4th line players are often on the bubble. There are many 4th line players in the NHL that do not play every game. Is it possible you are over reacting? Is Pirri sitting tonight or or the reincarnation of Mike Bossy?
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I have this weird problem where I want the Rangers to ice the best possible lineup every night.

Somehow, I don't think playing Kampfer and Glass over Clendening and Pirri is doing that.

**** me, right? :dunno:

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This is the part where you say: "What has Pirri done to deserve being in the lineup?"

Then, I list a bunch of "advanced" stats, that show Pirri does not suck.

Then you say, he has 8 5v5 points all year (or whatever it is).

Then I tell you why that's more bad luck than anything, and even so, he's driving play.

Then you say, what is driving play?

Then I realize this isn't worth our time, and I stop replying.

Five days later, we'll do it all again.
 
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eyjee said:
I have this weird problem where I want the Rangers to ice the best possible lineup every night.

Somehow, I don't think playing Kampfer and Glass over Clendening and Pirri is doing that.

**** me, right? :dunno:

EDIT -

This is the part where you say: "What has Pirri done to deserve being in the lineup?"

Then, I list a bunch of "advanced" stats, that show Pirri does not suck.

Then you say, he has 8 5v5 points all year (or whatever it is).

Then I tell you why that's more bad luck than anything, and even so, he's driving play.

Then you say, what is driving play?

Then I realize this isn't worth our time, and I stop replying.

Five days later, we'll do it all again.
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Five days? That's giving us too much credit. More like...5 hours.
 
eyjee said:
I have this weird problem where I want the Rangers to ice the best possible lineup every night.

Somehow, I don't think playing Kampfer and Glass over Clendening and Pirri is doing that.

**** me, right? :dunno:

EDIT -

This is the part where you say: "What has Pirri done to deserve being in the lineup?"

Then, I list a bunch of "advanced" stats, that show Pirri does not suck.

Then you say, he has 8 5v5 points all year (or whatever it is).

Then I tell you why that's more bad luck than anything, and even so, he's driving play.

Then you say, what is driving play?

Then I realize this isn't worth our time, and I stop replying.

Five days later, we'll do it all again.
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Maybe it would be more respectful for you to let me voice my own opinions instead of you saying what you think my opinions are in discussions. You are right that I might have mentioned Pirri's 5 on 5 play but I do not speak in the terms you basically attributed to me. Sometimes better players sit for a multitude of reasons. If Pirri was producing he would be playing. We sat Oscar. We sat Fast. We sat JT. We sat Zooks. All of those players rebounded very nicely. Pirri has had some shots elsewhere and now as a NY Ranger. I continue to want him to do well in our future but I'm not going to totally ignore how he has played so far this season.
 
NickyFotiu said:
If Pirri was producing he would be playing.
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This would be a valid argument if it was applied across the entire lineup. You don't produce, you don't play. I'm fine with that.

That's not how NYR hockey is run though.

EDIT - There are a ton of players on NYR right now that aren't producing. None of them are driving play like Pirri has been since he returned to the lineup full-time. This is illustrated by the fact that Pirri leads the team in 5v5 relative shot attempt percentage, and 5v5 relative expected goals percentage.

You know when I'll believe the "If Pirri was producing he would be playing" argument?

When Vesey sits.
When Glass sits.

I'm not gonna hold my breath.

It's amazing that Vesey straight up being absolute **** since January never gets mentioned around here. It's baffling.

5 points since the calendar flipped. Four since the all-star game. Team worst relCF%. Third worst relxGF%. Team worst relGF%. CEMENTED in the lineup.
 
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eyjee said:
This would be a valid argument if it was applied across the entire lineup. You don't produce, you don't play. I'm fine with that.

That's not how NYR hockey is run though.

EDIT - There are a ton of players on NYR right now that aren't producing. None of them are driving play like Pirri has been since he returned to the lineup full-time. This is illustrated by the fact that Pirri leads the team in 5v5 relative shot attempt percentage, and 5v5 relative expected goals percentage.

You know when I'll believe the "If Pirri was producing he would be playing" argument?

When Vesey sits.
When Glass sits.

I'm not gonna hold my breath.
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When guys have produced a lot they get a longer leash.
When guys contribute in ways other than scoring they get a longer leash.
When guys produce recently they get a bit of a nod.

Has Pirri produced a lot of points this season?
Does Pirri play above average defense?
Does Pirri go in to the corners and win the puck?
Does Pirri bring a physical game?
Has Pirri produced points recently?

I'm not against Pirri in any way but those are some of the things coaches look at when making these decisions. Our coach has given Brandon plenty of opportunity this season. AV may end up playing him a career high in games and PP minutes this season. AV is not the first, second, or even the third NHL coach to sit Pirri. Hopefully Brandon can become a big force for this team soon and in the future but he has not been a huge force so far this season.
 
eyjee said:
Yes, this is exactly the conversation we've had before, which I tried to avoid. Because of all of those questions above you want me to answer "no" to, to prove your point, none of them seem to negatively impact Pirri's underlying numbers, which they would, if Pirri was actually terrible at all those things.

His underlying numbers are tops on the team since he was put back into the lineup on 2/23. He's not scoring. A lot of players on this team aren't scoring.

Jimmy Vesey is what people think Pirri is.

That's what I think.
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We all want Brandon to be a big time player for us. I hope he ends up scoring 50 points for us but all we can go by is how he has played so far this season.

If the answers are no no no then maybe your "underlying numbers" are not showing you a totally respective version of his game. I know this sounds crazy but is it at all possible that the Blackhawks, Panthers, Ducks, and Rangers head coaches/assistant coaches might have had reasons to sit Pirri occasionally even if they do not show up in your "underlying stats"?
 
NickyFotiu said:
We all want Brandon to be a big time player for us. I hope he ends up scoring 50 points for us but all we can go by is how he has played so far this season.

If the answers are no no no then maybe your "underlying numbers" are not showing you a totally respective version of his game. I know this sounds crazy but is it at all possible that the Blackhawks, Panthers, Ducks, and Rangers head coaches/assistant coaches might have had reasons to sit Pirri occasionally even if they do not show up in your "underlying stats"?
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No, I'm smarter than every single head coach and GM in the NHL. I also want the Rangers to lose tonight, and for Vesey to bust, so I can say "nah nah, told you so" for the rest of my life.

Nicky, this is exactly the conversation I wanted to avoid.
 
eyjee said:
No, I'm smarter than every single head coach and GM in the NHL. I also want the Rangers to lose tonight, and for Vesey to bust, so I can say "nah nah, told you so" for the rest of my life.

Nicky, this is exactly the conversation I wanted to avoid.
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Two adults with different opinions should be able to discuss them in a respectful manner. I'm not sure why you think it is so bad for somebody to have a different opinion. I'm not upset in any way with you or Brandon. I'm just stating my belief that Brandon has not played as well as you seem to believe (so far this season) and that I hope that he will play better. It is not that big of a deal. Oscar, Fast, Pump, Glass, and Pirri have all sat.

I actually would like both Clendo and Kamp to play in our next game.
 
My only real issue with Pirri has been all of the penalties he seems to be taking, particularly late in games. A lot of stick infractions and the type of calls that are indicators he's not moving his feet.

He's a depth forward that has a good shot. Not mad he's on the team, but, as surprised as I am to say it, I think I'd take the Tanner Glass we've seen the last few games since the callup than the Brandon Pirri we've been seeing for a few weeks now.
 
NickyFotiu said:
Two adults with different opinions should be able to discuss them in a respectful manner. I'm not sure why you think it is so bad for somebody to have a different opinion. I'm not upset in any way with you or Brandon. I'm just stating my belief that Brandon has not played as well as you seem to believe (so far this season) and that I hope that he will play better. It is not that big of a deal. Oscar, Fast, Pump, Glass, and Pirri have all sat.

I actually would like both Clendo and Kamp to play in our next game.
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Because it's the same thing every time. I don't want to do it again :)
 
Hunter Gathers said:
Pirri is a bottom line player and PP specialist. Not an awful player, but I couldn't care less if he's on the team next year (or even next game).
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I don't disagree with this but it's just another cog in AV's wheel of accountability and it's getting so so old
 
RangerFan10 said:
My only real issue with Pirri has been all of the penalties he seems to be taking, particularly late in games. A lot of stick infractions and the type of calls that are indicators he's not moving his feet.

He's a depth forward that has a good shot. Not mad he's on the team, but, as surprised as I am to say it, I think I'd take the Tanner Glass we've seen the last few games since the callup than the Brandon Pirri we've been seeing for a few weeks now.
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He has a good shot when he gets in the right place, gets a pass, takes the shot. I'm not really arguing about Pirri's shot. I don't think he has a whole lot of the other stuff in his game that would make that good shot happen more. So yeah, bottom line player for depth. Rotated in and out. Hopefully, for me anyway, replaced by a better player soon.
This guy gets so much more discussion than he is worth.
 
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