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Player Discussion: Brandon Hagel
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I don't see any reason why Chicago wouldn't still be happy with that trade. They aren't going to be contenders for years with or without Hagel.
Sky04
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It's still an overpayment for the player, we paid a premium for his contract like the Coleman deal. Hagel cost the equivalent of 3 1st round picks and threw in Katchouk who was a 2nd round pick, he wasn't even on the table JBB had to make it too good a deal for them to pass, it's far from a fleece.
JTBF81
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Hagel didn't cost the equivalent of 3 1st round picks, as neither Raddysh nor Katchouk held close to that value at the time of the trade. Tampa also getting 2 projected early 4ths back also was solid. It was a good trade for both sides at the time given their respective positions. That Hagel is having a great year makes the trade look even better from a Tampa pov, but there was no fleecing either way.
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He was a 6th round pick with a career high 37 points, yeah definitely screams multiple firsts.
The second this dude gets locked up long term is the second the thought of any overpayment is just hindsight. We got a young, stud core player locked up long term (2.5 years for peanuts).
What JBB did getting Paul and Hagel last deadline is remarkable. Replacing top talent like Palat and Killorn with two young trades. Not having to overpay an older UFA or roll the dice on a late round 1st to develop in 5 years. Unreal.
So you're finding fault with JBB for seeing the potential beyond the obvious metrics available at that particular point in time and for being willing to take the heat for what appears to be an overpay but proves not to be?
I'm pretty sure that's exactly his job.
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Didn't say it wasn't a good trade, we overpaid to get the contract we wanted duh just like the Coleman trade.
You think GMs don't know they're trading good players on dirt cheap contracts to a contending team against the cap and that Tampa is "fleecing" everyone or what? No, we're paying big to get what we want, the cost is high on these contracts not sure how you don't see that.
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It's a good trade but we overpaid? What is this, Alice in Wonderland? He didn't overpay, that's the point. JBB saw the value beyond the metrics at the moment and considered it a fair price to pay. I think most would agree that so far he has been proven right.
Sky04
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Yeah and Chicago traded a young player with term who wasn't available on the market just to help TB out of kindness.
He saw "value beyond the metrics" lol he saw a player with high underlying numbers at 1.5M x 2.5 years starring him in the face and were talking about Alice in Wonderland moments
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Jesus man, it doesn't matter what Chicago's motivation was. What matters from TB's perspective is the value that was ultimately received. Nobody got fleeced and nobody overpaid based on the outcomes so far.
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That is by left to be seen. Bagels book is too small to ensure in the long run if he puts up huge numbers. Last year he did not see time with Kuch and Point, whereas he has this season. Three 1st’s is a huge ask and throwing in another player just places more pressure and I am someone who is not big on draft picks below the first three in any given year. Since the league was formed only 20% of all players drafted have played more than 200 games in the league. So 4 out of 5 guys drafted will have a long term career in the league. One thing the Bolts has done well is draft well beyond the 1st round. Fans put so much emotional effort in draftees and young players when the vast majority do not stick.
That said for what they gave for Hagel one of the 4 warm bodies probably would have developed into a player. We needed a player ready now thus they went after Hagel. He still could bust it happens and everyone can be comfortable if Hagel continues to do well through this post season and next year. Like others that play with Kuch and Point he has got a boost from the line mates. The real value may not be known until that line regresses in a few years. Could Hagel drive scoring on a top 6 line hisself? That’s what we do not know.
JTBF81
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It wasn't anything close to 3 1st round value, so not sure why some seem to keep making this statement. Even if Hagel doesn't drive a line by himself in a few years, well for one he may or may not be in Tampa in a few years and secondly, if he's had a few great years in Tampa before then, yeah his value would have been well worth the price paid(even more so if Tampa wins even one Cup with him on the roster).
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He currently IS on his bridge deal and besides a long term deal at his age next year is ideal, not when he's 27-28.
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yeah, i just dont know that we can buy up UFA years right now, i dunno. thats on JBB
still need a couple more depth forwards in the 1 million range, depending on whether or not we re-sign perry, etc.
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If we re-sign Stamkos and Hagel over half the roster is going to need to be on ~1M deals in 2024-2025 and that's if the cap goes to the highest projected limit of 88M.
Can't see us letting a 25 year old Hagel walk/trade given his versatility this year. Could come down to Stamkos vs Cirelli for cap flexibility. Cirelli has no trade protection in the first 2 years of his deal so we can either let Stamkos walk and take the cap space or get a haul for Cirelli before his NTC kicks in.
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If you go back and look at the time of the extension for guys on their bridge deals, JBB mostly signs them to their long extension the summer prior of the end of the bridge deal.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he would get Hagel signed this summer. Also because this gives JBB cost certainty and knowing what he has at his disposal to build the team around the "long term core" and plan ahead is of paramount importance for us.
Of course Hagel didn't sign a bridge deal with us, but still I think it's the best way for JBB to approach this.
Hagel is showing tons of potential, and I don't think he's close to his peak potential. So extending him this summer instead of waiting till his contract is up could also benefit us in terms of AAV.
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stammer gonna get the bergeron 2.5 million dollarydoos contract and JBB will cry proudly
JTBF81
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If JBB signs Hagel long term this Summer, he'll have a pretty good idea of what will be available for Stamkos following next season. Stamkos was always going to have to take a pay cut if he wanted to stay with Tampa, so now JBB will know what he can offer. I could see him trying to extend Hagel around 6 x8 this Summer, similar to the Cirelli deal. Stamkos will likely have to come down to the 4-5 aav range, depending on where the cap will be. Hopefully, JBB can sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal and he can retire a Bolt.
I think Stamkos will accept a paycut on a contract that takes him to retirement. I don't think he has any interest in leaving TB, and I don't think there will be any 9 or 10 million $ deals out there for him.
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