Line Combos: CBJ Roster Discussion/Line Combos/Injury Report

[cbjthrowaway]

I've been thinking the exact same. A 38-23-91 line could be nasty. That has a little bit of everything.

especially the way that evason's system works, as pocke cbj pointed out, where they typically construct lines with one wall/small area wing and one weak side wing. in this example, jenner fits the small area position and johnson gets to play weak side.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

LaBate ain’t coming out of the lineup until we lose

Not sure if you're aware but we have a couple tough games in Florida coming up.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Here. Now he’s a 2C.
10 23 86
34 19 59
21 38 91
27 17 24

there's no good argument for taking fantilli away from 10 and 86 imo.

	Pre Monahan injury	Post Monahan injury
TOI/GP	16:23	20:16
Games played	40	20
Stat line	8-9–17	10-10–20
P/GP	0.43	1.00
+/-	-12	+12

he has more points in the last 20 games (monahan injury) than he did in the previous 40, and is putting up legitimate 1C numbers. there's no good reason to bump him down and put him with linemates that he hasn't played well with.

monahan with two of jenner/johnson/chinakhov seems to be a far better solution here. much easier to cobble together a plus-value second line around monahan than it is to hope that fantilli can carry new linemates. no reason to rock the boat here.

the bonus to that approach is that if your second line has both monahan and jenner on it, that can be deployed as a shutdown line, which frees up a third line (which presumably has sillinger centering it) to get some sheltered minutes.

 

[majormajor]

there's no good argument for taking fantilli away from 10 and 86 imo.

They were the best line in the league with Monahan at center. That's a pretty damn good argument for putting them back together!

I think there are clearly arguments on both sides of the issue.

Ultimately I think it's worth giving Fantilli a look with some new linemates to see if his confidence carries over. Chinakhov seems like an ideal fit for rush scoring. We can adjust later if Fantilli is struggling. I wouldn't rule out a Fantilli - Monahan - Marchenko unit at some point - though obviously that leaves out Voronkov. I'd be curious to see Voronkov centering Chinakhov again but the coaches are not going there.

 

[stevo61]

meh, I still like Jenner-Fantilli-Johnson. People can argue over who takes how many draws and who has what responsibilities

 

[Doggy]

Not sure if you're aware but we have a couple tough games in Florida coming up.

Yup, and the criticality of this upcoming tough road trip is pretty high.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I maybe wouldn’t put Monahan back with the Russians right away (so he can get his wind and not to hold back the other two at the start) but I would certainly go back to Monahan between them when he got up to speed.

 

[VT]

Harris gone and Christiansen sits seems like the easy answer

Harris can be sent to the AHL maximum until March 6. The same goes for J. Johnson and Christiansen. So if that doesn't happen, Mateychuk will likely be sent to Cleveland.

Btw I'm not sure if Labate also needs waiver. Because if yes, he must be sent there until March 6.

 

[ViD]

Not sure if you're aware but we have a couple tough games in Florida coming up.

Wasn’t aware of it, but I think I like our chances wide LaBate

 

[Forepar]

Harris can be sent to the AHL maximum until March 6. The same goes for J. Johnson and Christiansen. So if that doesn't happen, Mateychuk will likely be sent to Cleveland.

Mateychuk is not being sent to Cleveland.

 

[majormajor]

I maybe wouldn’t put Monahan back with the Russians right away (so he can get his wind and not to hold back the other two at the start) but I would certainly go back to Monahan between them when he got up to speed.

Monahan should be ready to skate when he's cleared from his wrist issue. But even at half speed I think he would help them right away. Those guys want to play a short pass, slow cycling, and net front game.

 

[Napoli]

If you think Fantilli with Marchy and Vronk was good, Monahan with those were damn near unstoppable. I was all for moving Fantilli bc he needed some confidence but that line is clearly not the same without Monahan. Specifically Voronkov hasnt been as productive as Fantilli isnt as smart of a player as Monahan is and his style is different (rush vs cycle). People also tend to forget how much Marchenko has been carrying it. Monahan with Vronk and Marchenko was the best line in the league, I think we can see that again.

 

[Doggy]

Anyone else getting a vibe that a Fabbro contract for next year and beyond is not a priority. I keep hearing about discussions with Provy and Ollie but not one peep about Fabbro.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Anyone else getting a vibe that a Fabbro contract for next year and beyond is not a priority. I keep hearing about discussions with Provy and Ollie but not one peep about Fabbro.

Feel the same way. Which is odd. But also nobody is really asking him about that contract either

 

[Xoggz22]

Here. Now he’s a 2C.
10 23 86
34 19 59
21 38 91
27 17 24

IF - big if - Chinakov is ready, the natural fit is with Fantilli because they both like to play off the rush.

You realize there is no way they are taking Kuraly out of the lineup right? ZAR is the likely one to sit with Danforth and Olivier on the wings. I would also imagine that when Sillinger does return, he returns to center, unless it's a shoulder injury. I would suspect you flip 34 and 38 on your lines and 7 in for 27, sliding 17 to the wing. Wouldn't surprise me to see 21-34-59 as your 3rd line

And, no, this is not my way of pushing a Sillinger narrative. I like Boone at center and think he's a top 6 guy, but Sillinger has yet to spend any appreciable time at the wing in the NHL so I just don't see that changing and think a fit as the 3C make sense.

 

[Xoggz22]

Harris can be sent to the AHL maximum until March 6. The same goes for J. Johnson and Christiansen. So if that doesn't happen, Mateychuk will likely be sent to Cleveland.

Btw I'm not sure if Labate also needs waiver. Because if yes, he must be sent there until March 6.

Mateychuk isn't going anywhere. Why would you even suggest that? And Labate does need waivers, but is highly unlikely to be claimed. He may also be an injury recall, although that may be Pyyhtia for Sillinger.

 

[majormajor]

Anyone else getting a vibe that a Fabbro contract for next year and beyond is not a priority. I keep hearing about discussions with Provy and Ollie but not one peep about Fabbro.

Yes and it is slightly concerning.

I wonder what is going on. Is Waddell going to take the full season to evaluate Fabbro, so we know his level better? That fits Waddell's tendencies. I get it but if Fabbro's contract is something like $3m-$4m we should be able to get good value out of Fabbro whether he's the perfect top pair complement or not.

Or is Fabbro's camp asking for more? So the club is just going to leave it until Fabbro's camp comes down?

Or maybe they're working on it and the reporters haven't asked?

 

[MoeBartoli]

You realize there is no way they are taking Kuraly out of the lineup right? ZAR is the likely one to sit with Danforth and Olivier on the wings. I would also imagine that when Sillinger does return, he returns to center, unless it's a shoulder injury. I would suspect you flip 34 and 38 on your lines and 7 in for 27, sliding 17 to the wing. Wouldn't surprise me to see 21-34-59 as your 3rd line

And, no, this is not my way of pushing a Sillinger narrative. I like Boone at center and think he's a top 6 guy, but Sillinger has yet to spend any appreciable time at the wing in the NHL so I just don't see that changing and think a fit as the 3C make sense.

No real issue with Kuraly in for ZAR. Of course by now everyone should know my feeling about Sillinger with KJ. He’s like KJ’s kryptonite.

 

[Cowumbus]

Looks like I started a line combo feeding frenzy. Lol was just trying to say we could have an elite 4th line when everyone is back haha

 

[cbjthrowaway]

You realize there is no way they are taking Kuraly out of the lineup right? ZAR is the likely one to sit with Danforth and Olivier on the wings.

I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if kuraly sits when the lineup is fully healthy. the 27-17-24 line has been awesome. kuraly's line has been pretty consistently bad (granted he has worse linemates). chinkahov's returning soon, monahan should be back this month, and they're reportedly out shopping for another forward.

if they do end up adding a forward + getting healthy, imo both ZAR and kuraly sit while JVR and the new guy round out the bottom six.

 

[Rightwing46]

especially the way that evason's system works, as pocke cbj pointed out, where they typically construct lines with one wall/small area wing and one weak side wing. in this example, jenner fits the small area position and johnson gets to play weak side.

there's no good argument for taking fantilli away from 10 and 86 imo.

	Pre Monahan injury	Post Monahan injury
TOI/GP	16:23	20:16
Games played	40	20
Stat line	8-9–17	10-10–20
P/GP	0.43	1.00
+/-	-12	+12

he has more points in the last 20 games (monahan injury) than he did in the previous 40, and is putting up legitimate 1C numbers. there's no good reason to bump him down and put him with linemates that he hasn't played well with.

monahan with two of jenner/johnson/chinakhov seems to be a far better solution here. much easier to cobble together a plus-value second line around monahan than it is to hope that fantilli can carry new linemates. no reason to rock the boat here.

the bonus to that approach is that if your second line has both monahan and jenner on it, that can be deployed as a shutdown line, which frees up a third line (which presumably has sillinger centering it) to get some sheltered minutes.

Who’s 34

there's no good argument for taking fantilli away from 10 and 86 imo.

	Pre Monahan injury	Post Monahan injury
TOI/GP	16:23	20:16
Games played	40	20
Stat line	8-9–17	10-10–20
P/GP	0.43	1.00
+/-	-12	+12

he has more points in the last 20 games (monahan injury) than he did in the previous 40, and is putting up legitimate 1C numbers. there's no good reason to bump him down and put him with linemates that he hasn't played well with.

monahan with two of jenner/johnson/chinakhov seems to be a far better solution here. much easier to cobble together a plus-value second line around monahan than it is to hope that fantilli can carry new linemates. no reason to rock the boat here.

the bonus to that approach is that if your second line has both monahan and jenner on it, that can be deployed as a shutdown line, which frees up a third line (which presumably has sillinger centering it) to get some sheltered minutes.

Who’s #34

 

[VT]

Mateychuk isn't going anywhere. Why would you even suggest that? And Labate does need waivers, but is highly unlikely to be claimed. He may also be an injury recall, although that may be Pyyhtia for Sillinger.

We misunderstood each other. If Gudbranson was still fine in the regular season, one of the defensemen would have had to go to the AHL. It's just that players can't go on waivers after the deadline, not even on the last day, but at most 24 hours before the deadline. If they didn't make it in time, Mateychuk would have to go to the AHL, even though he doesn't belong there.

 

[CBJx614]

 

[spintheblackcircle]

I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if kuraly sits when the lineup is fully healthy. the 27-17-24 line has been awesome.

They went about a month without a goal. They were great early in the season and last night. Kuraly plays over Danforth and ZAR. Kuraly averages about 20% more PPG in the playoffs than in the regular season. He's not GREAT in the playoffs, but he plays better than the regular season historically.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

They went about a month without a goal. They were great early in the season and last night. Kuraly plays over Danforth and ZAR. Kuraly averages about 20% more PPG in the playoffs than in the regular season. He's not GREAT in the playoffs, but he plays better than the regular season historically.

I'm just hoping we get to a point where we're actually healthy enough to have to worry about this.