Player Discussion Brandon Carlo III

[DarrenBanks56]

Yep, I would rather have Peeke and a legit 2nd line winger than have Carlo and no legit 2nd line winger.

same.
carlo is so overrated around here.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

same.
carlo is so overrated around here.

If he's so overrated, how are you getting a second line winger for him?

 

[Hookslide]

PP goals against do not count as a minus, so +/- says nothing about penalty kill performance.

Which also limits his 5v5 time, when you are killing penalties and not receiving power play time.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

If he's so overrated, how are you getting a second line winger for him?

youre not. Id trade him for sure though. Shouldve been done after 2019.
Hes been making the same critical mistakes year after year.
We could free up cap money with him out.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

This year, there's only one Defenseman who has played 100 minutes who has a lower percentage of Offensive Zone starts than Carlo. Benoit for Toronto is at 9.5%, Carlo is at 18.5%. Tyler Myers is third at 23.5%.

Last year, of defensemen who played 1000 minutes, Carlo was dead last with 18%. Second worst was Kyle Burroughs at 23.3%. Guy just gets put in the most brutal deployment possible and yet some people just dont' even factor that in whatsoever. And despite that deployment, the Bruins had a 59% Goals For percentage against a 46% xGF%. So he vastly outperformed in that role.

youre not. Id trade him for sure though. Shouldve been done after 2019.
Hes been making the same critical mistakes year after year.
We could free up cap money with him out.

Oh really? Where are you getting a right handed D who can handle his deployment for less than $4.125?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

He hasn’t started out very well and last year was a down year for him, but I think he’ll turn his game around as the team picks up its play. He’s a valuable player on this team on a fine contract and still in his prime years, I don’t agree with his detractors.

Carlo led the team in plus/minus last season with a +23.

He was 2nd in the playoffs with a +4.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

This year, there's only one Defenseman who has played 100 minutes who has a lower percentage of Offensive Zone starts than Carlo. Benoit for Toronto is at 9.5%, Carlo is at 18.5%. Tyler Myers is third at 23.5%.

Last year, of defensemen who played 1000 minutes, Carlo was dead last with 18%. Second worst was Kyle Burroughs at 23.3%. Guy just gets put in the most brutal deployment possible and yet some people just dont' even factor that in whatsoever. And despite that deployment, the Bruins had a 59% Goals For percentage against a 46% xGF%. So he vastly outperformed in that role.


Oh really? Where are you getting a right handed D who can handle his deployment for less than $4.125?

The guy is severely overrated. He is not 4.1 mil dollar defenseman. come on.
Every game I watch. Same mistakes. Cant get the puck out. Gives up the blueline, too far up on the blueline, misses coverage. Plus- his offensive game is non existant.

 

[Mad-Marcus]

But his play has slipped to Bad Carlo, so far. Why. He's shown the same range of poor play in the past. Unless he's playing through something, or just a on again off again headcase, confidence wise, he should not be making the same positional mistakes from previous seasons, anymore.
He's a maddening player, because he so good when he is on.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

youre not. Id trade him for sure though. Shouldve been done after 2019.
Hes been making the same critical mistakes year after year.
We could free up cap money with him out.

When he was 22, playing over 20 minutes a night on the team that went to game 7 of the finals?

Had the best plus/minus in the finals (+4) for Boston, 2nd best plus/minus (+10) in the playoffs behind only Chara.

Don't recall thinking he should have been traded at that point.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

But his play has slipped to Bad Carlo, so far. Why. He's shown the same range of poor play in the past. Unless he's playing through something, or just a on again off again headcase, confidence wise, he should not be making the same positional mistakes from previous seasons, anymore.
He's a maddening player, because he so good when he is on.

Carlo hasn’t played well at all this year but neither have any of the other defensemen. It’s been a collective issue so far.

I disagree that he is some sort of in again off again head case - strongly disagree. Hes been incredibly dependable during his entire career.

He’s a +125 for his career despite a career offensive zone start percentage of 35%. Never had a negative season. He is a career 52% xGF despite that deployment.

And this is for $4.1M for a right handed defenseman.

If Carlo was offered up to the market 31 teams would be after him.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

This year, there's only one Defenseman who has played 100 minutes who has a lower percentage of Offensive Zone starts than Carlo. Benoit for Toronto is at 9.5%, Carlo is at 18.5%. Tyler Myers is third at 23.5%.

Last year, of defensemen who played 1000 minutes, Carlo was dead last with 18%. Second worst was Kyle Burroughs at 23.3%. Guy just gets put in the most brutal deployment possible and yet some people just dont' even factor that in whatsoever. And despite that deployment, the Bruins had a 59% Goals For percentage against a 46% xGF%. So he vastly outperformed in that role.


Oh really? Where are you getting a right handed D who can handle his deployment for less than $4.125?

Michael Kesselring

 

[Hookslide]

Carlo hasn’t played well at all this year but neither have any of the other defensemen. It’s been a collective issue so far.

I disagree that he is some sort of in again off again head case - strongly disagree. Hes been incredibly dependable during his entire career.

He’s a +125 for his career despite a career offensive zone start percentage of 35%. Never had a negative season. He is a career 52% xGF despite that deployment.

And this is for $4.1M for a right handed defenseman.

If Carlo was offered up to the market 31 teams would be after him.

Well said, I want these posters to name better d-men with a comparable contract.

 

[jgatie]

Which also limits his 5v5 time, when you are killing penalties and not receiving power play time.

Which is not what you said at all. Just admit you didn't know about PP goals against not giving a minus, and be glad you learned something today.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Michael Kesselring

I mean...he's on an RFA deal.

Last year, he had 52% OZ starts. This year he's at 44%.

Not sure how that's a comp at all.

 

[LouJersey]

Good luck with that. Carlo is the 85th highest paid defenseman in the league. Add in all the ELC/bridge defenseman and he’s on a very very good deal.

add in there aren't many good to very good 2nd pair RHD period

 

[DarrenBanks56]

add in there aren't many good to very good 2nd pair RHD period

I consider Carlo a 3rd D pairing.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I mean...he's on an RFA deal.

Last year, he had 52% OZ starts. This year he's at 44%.

Not sure how that's a comp at all.

Oh please, you asked where you could get a RHD that could be deployed defensively and makes less. You didn't qualify with RFA status. If you are going to say at Carlo's rate why even bother ****ing asking the question.

Kesselring is a ex D1 players kid who at 6:04, I'm pretty sure could play a more D oriented role if tasked, with someone like Lindholm on his pair.

You asked and I answered and you immediately went into goalpost shifting mode.
But hey, I guess that's um ok.

 

[Score08]

Carlo is the least effective big defenseman in the nhl. He never learned how to use his body to his advantage and was never really a skilled defenseman to begin with. He’s a liability every time he takes a shift. Horrible instincts, no fire, no ball’s, he’s trade bait to a Canadian gm .

 

[Sheppy]

Carlo is the least effective big defenseman in the nhl. He never learned how to use his body to his advantage and was never really a skilled defenseman to begin with. He’s a liability every time he takes a shift. Horrible instincts, no fire, no ball’s, he’s trade bait to a Canadian gm .

He will use his size in front of the net 1/10 games.

 

[Dr Hook]

he’s trade bait to a Canadian gm .

As opposed to the non-Canadian Don Sweeney?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Oh please, you asked where you could get a RHD that could be deployed defensively and makes less. You didn't qualify with RFA status. If you are going to say at Carlo's rate why even bother ****ing asking the question.

Kesselring is a ex D1 players kid who at 6:04, I'm pretty sure could play a more D oriented role if tasked, with someone like Lindholm on his pair.

You asked and I answered and you immediately went into goalpost shifting mode.
But hey, I guess that's um ok.

Kesselring didn’t even PK last year. He is a bit this year but there’s nothing about him that indicates he could do well when completely buried, regardless of who his father is.

 

[Kalus]

Carlo led the team in plus/minus last season with a +23.

He was 2nd in the playoffs with a +4.

You’re still evaluating players based on plus / minus. That stat was proven years ago to be a poor indicator of an individual’s on ice contributions.

I was going by eye test / memory from watching the games. Looked to me like he struggled last year.

If you want to base your argument on stats, Corsi is a much better statistical indicator than plus / minus and Carlo’s Corsi rating was way down last year from his career track record and continues to be near that low so far this season.

I am a big fan of the guy and am optimistic that he’ll revert to his very valuable game soon.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

You’re still evaluating players based on plus / minus. That stat was proven years ago to be a poor indicator of an individual’s on ice contributions.

I was going by eye test / memory from watching the games. Looked to me like he struggled last year.

If you want to base your argument on stats, Corsi is a much better statistical indicator than plus / minus and Carlo’s Corsi rating was way down last year from his career track record and continues to be near that low so far this season.

I am a big fan of the guy and am optimistic that he’ll revert to his very valuable game soon.

Not true at all.

When comparing it to other members of the same team, it is very telling. NHL coaches certainly value it. Over a full season it tells you just what you want to know.

 

[DKH]

If he's so overrated, how are you getting a second line winger for him?

Get a similar type other team fan base doesn’t like

 

[Mad-Marcus]

Carlo hasn’t played well at all this year but neither have any of the other defensemen. It’s been a collective issue so far.

I disagree that he is some sort of in again off again head case - strongly disagree. Hes been incredibly dependable during his entire career.

He’s a +125 for his career despite a career offensive zone start percentage of 35%. Never had a negative season. He is a career 52% xGF despite that deployment.

And this is for $4.1M for a right handed defenseman.

If Carlo was offered up to the market 31 teams would be after him.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion as am I. His biggest problem through out his career has been consistency. I like the player at his best, but he goes through personal periods of bad decisions. Not just when the D has been collectively subpar.

He's certainly worth trying to figure out how to get the best out of him. His next contract should not be even in the Lindholm level. Two different ceilings, Lindholm's is much higher. So what is he worth to keep developing. He's starting to get up there in age to expect too much more out of him.

In all honesty, I've never been a big fan of big soft positional defensemen. Teams know you can win a net front battle against him without much pushback. That the way it is with gentle giants like him.
He never has had any snarl.